Martial definitely deserved his red card. The issue is how Lamela got away with his elbow, inconsistency.
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One of the weirdest decisions Ive seen. Martial deserves the red, but Lamela does the exact same thing. It's even worse, because he does it first. That's 2 reds, 2 yellows, 2 somethings, but it should he the same.
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Red card was fine, leaving aside the fact that Lamela is a prick. Regularly given as a red card even with only slight contact, which is why you don't do it.
Had Martial dropped like Lamela did though then he would have been in trouble instead. There was as much contact from Lamela as Martial.
Had Martial dropped like Lamela did though then he would have been in trouble instead. There was as much contact from Lamela as Martial.
Id like somebody to explain that decision to me. Lamela hits Martial with elbow and then Martial slaps lamela on upper chest and gets a red card. Wow.
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Impressive to be fair to manage to be inconsistent in the space of three seconds.-Martial definitely deserved his red card. The issue is how Lamela got away with his elbow, inconsistency.
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This is something of a blind spot of the current guidelines and one that needs fixing asap
Has to tell the ref to have another look here, doesn't matter that it's not technically a clear and obvious error. You have to either send both off, or neither
Has to tell the ref to have another look here, doesn't matter that it's not technically a clear and obvious error. You have to either send both off, or neither
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No one can explain how Lamela remains on the pitch if Martial gets a red. It's an absurd injustice, but no one will care because it's against United. If that had gone the other way, everyone would be up in arms.
Well it is it they don't use it properlyPeople still think VAR(meaning technology) is the problem?
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Amazing isn’t it. How var can not pick up the first instance is beyond meId like somebody to explain that decision to me. Lamela hits Martial with elbow and then Martial slaps lamela on upper chest and gets a red card. Wow.
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The sport is broken. I'm trialing giving up. I've not watched more than 5 minutes of football this season due to the circus it's become. Its not the sport it was for me.
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Martial shouldn’t have reacted, and they always give a red for that, regardless of Lamela being a complete cnut. On the other hand Lamela definitely reacted to something Martial did by elbowing him, so I don’t know why it would be any different.
The rules are just stupid. Martial taps his face it’s a red, if he’d shoved him over (more violent) it would be a yellow.
The rules are just stupid. Martial taps his face it’s a red, if he’d shoved him over (more violent) it would be a yellow.
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Both should be of or neither should be of
It's the idiot using it...People still think VAR(meaning technology) is the problem?
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The problem is still with the referees and their idiotic friends behind the VAR.
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How and why was Lamela not sent off as well?! Crazy decision.
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Agreed. Both should've gone. That's surely what var is for?Martial definitely deserved his red card. The issue is how Lamela got away with his elbow, inconsistency.
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Its so frustrating. They have the tools now to do their jobs better but still failing.It's the idiot using it...
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This red card gets overturned 100%.
Sickening decision, Lamela should be embarrassed.
Feck VAR.
How could any referee have multiple replays of that and think, yep violent conduct.
And then to also ignore Lamela's arm to the face which was objectively worse.
Sickening decision, Lamela should be embarrassed.
Feck VAR.
How could any referee have multiple replays of that and think, yep violent conduct.
And then to also ignore Lamela's arm to the face which was objectively worse.
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The only difference I could possibly see it that Martial's was simple retaliation, so could be viewed worse.
Which, fine, but it's not like Lamela accidentally hit him while going for the ball. And Lamela's had more force, which I would have thought is also a factor in decisions.
Which, fine, but it's not like Lamela accidentally hit him while going for the ball. And Lamela's had more force, which I would have thought is also a factor in decisions.
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What Martial did is regularly given as a red card.This red card gets overturned 100%.
Sickening decision, Lamela should be embarrassed.
Feck VAR.
How could any referee have multiple replays of that and think, yep violent conduct.
And then to also ignore Lamela's arm to the face which was objectively worse.
The problem is Lamela not being punished for doing what he did first.
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There is no consistency!! Decisions are so erratic
Martial clearly does a punch, that's always a red, no matter the intensity.
Lamela's movement looks more natural, like he's trying to shield from the opponent. I can see why fans are frustrated with it, but at the very least it wasn't a clear mistake.
Lamela's movement looks more natural, like he's trying to shield from the opponent. I can see why fans are frustrated with it, but at the very least it wasn't a clear mistake.
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They ignored Bailly’s stamp on Kane. We should be playing 9v10.This red card gets overturned 100%.
Sickening decision, Lamela should be embarrassed.
Feck VAR.
How could any referee have multiple replays of that and think, yep violent conduct.
And then to also ignore Lamela's arm to the face which was objectively worse.
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If OGS doesn't take a suspension for that red-card decision then I'm joining the Ole-out gang. VAR is a fecking joke, always been.
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VAR can see De Gea inches off his line in one game, yet can't see an elbow by Lamela
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I can't understand for the life of me why Lamela didn't get punished. Disgraceful.
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Zero difference too between Sanchez on Martial and Pogba on Connolly. Something needs to be sorted.
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Don't know how VAR can even begin to justify the decision to not send off Lamela.
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Shambles again. Both yellow or both red ffs.
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How is it not? They got to watch it again and decide, yeah that’s the right decision. It’s fecking shit.People still think VAR(meaning technology) is the problem?
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Who knows. It depends on a coin flip in the var room as far as I can tell.If martial went down instead of retaliating, would lamela off getting a red?
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The technology is not the problem, the stupid people looking at it is. VAR would work if the R part wasn't fecking useless.How is it not? They got to watch it again and decide, yeah that’s the right decision. It’s fecking shit.
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But it is useless, so why should we put up with all the downsides of var?The technology is not the problem, the stupid people looking at it is. VAR would work if the R part wasn't fecking useless.
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We complain about consistency over a couple of games or separate incidents in same game. Never have I seen inconsistency in the same incident where players essentially do an impression of one another
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The technology is a TV screen. It can’t work without somebody watching it. I don’t know how many times I’ve said it but VAR is not a sentient being. It’s a monitor.The technology is not the problem, the stupid people looking at it is. VAR would work if the R part wasn't fecking useless.
Yeah, but that's down to the people using it. Or actualy refusing to use it.Well it is it they don't use it properly
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Seriously, there has to be some system where a team can force the on-field ref to go to the fecking screen.
As long as these idiots are protecting each other and picking and choosing what to look at then massive injustices will keep happening.
As long as these idiots are protecting each other and picking and choosing what to look at then massive injustices will keep happening.
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What makes it worse is Lamela gets a yellow 5 minutes later. He should be off the pitch as well. We have been crap but that sending off will now cause a huge score line.