I am shocked how anyone could think Jose should have been backed longer! He should have never been hired in the first placeWe won the Europa the prior season.
Jose didn't deserve further backing after his disgraceful post-match vs Sevilla.
It's ridiculous how he has so many acolytes on here.I am shocked how anyone could think Jose should have been backed longer! He should have never been hired in the first place
I dont think this is entirely true though. The issue with Jose is that he was backed in the market. He identified the players he wanted but in his final period, we would not pay the $$$ to get the short term established player he craves like a Boateng. For United these have very little resell or marketing value. Also goes against the principal of good youngsters / emerging talent supported by world class talent. Some of the players Jose wanted were on the path of decline.If an 82 point season, second place and winning the Europa didn't warrant backing, what has OGS achieved to merit support? But I fully agree that knowing the clubs decision makers OGS will continue till there's not even top four left to play for. After all we are not a sacking club.
Agreed 100 percent. But we are talking about the present now.We won the Europa the prior season.
Jose didn't deserve further backing after his disgraceful post-match vs Sevilla.
I'm not sure if we've ever played this badly 3 straight games before. We've been utterly dominated in all 3 games akin to a pub team.Tweet
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The xG and xPts table at Understat is pretty brutal. Basically all that is between us and West Brom is us having played a game fewer.
For the sake of avoiding an argument that has been done to death, let's say the 82 point thing is flawed. But the question remains what OGS has done to merit further backing?I dont think this is entirely true though. The issue with Jose is that he was backed in the market. He identified the players he wanted but in his final period, we would not pay the $$$ to get the short term established player he craves like a Boateng. For United these have very little resell or marketing value. Also goes against the principal of good youngsters / emerging talent supported by world class talent. Some of the players Jose wanted were on the path of decline.
Looking at the logic of if Jose got 82 points and didn't get backing so why does Ole deserve support is quite frankly bizzare.
Kids? Nah, I experienced the 80s did you? Bojangles was manager when I started supporting fella. Some of our fans are even older and longer supporting and will remember the dark days of Liverpool’s domination. We don’t want those days back and I’m not willing to support a manger who is clearly out of his depth and a while away from being ready to keep some of his fans happy. No point when something isn’t gonna ever be good enough. He ain’t got it sorryAnd so we go again. Another one of those football manager kids thinking football is easy. Another one going at Solskjaer without (what it seems) knowing how football world actually works. Another one without patience and who thinks that solution is always a button away.
I like how you haters love to write in anger.
nah, apparently ole’s the next coming of SAF, didn’t you know?Wouldn't someone like Carlo Ancelotti have been better for us ? At least he has a proven track record in management...
Multi time champion for Milan
Champion for Chelsea
Champion for PSG
Champions league winner for Madrid
After Madrid he did decline a little bit, yeah, but he is still Carlo Ancelotti
I don't understand why we weren't in for him when Jose was sacked. It looks like he will do a great job at Everton.
Or .... interesting how some people are still wanting himSolskjær's approval rating in here dropped around 7%(from around 75% to 67%) in less than 20 hours after this loss. That's roughly 200 people either changing their mind or coming off the fence to vote 'Ole out'. Interesting how such "key games" can be all that it takes for some.
I am one of those who thinks Ole should be sacked. I was never fully convinced by him either way. I mellowed with our good form post-lockdown. Though we started spiraling a bit then towards the end. Our start to this season is completely unacceptable. We have been completely dominated in all 3 games.Agreed 100 percent. But we are talking about the present now.
What has OGS done to deserve backing?
How is it a pipe dream? Any manager with half an ability would do better with this squad. He has to goLiverpool lost 7-2 to Villa today: should they fire Klopp? It was a bad day at the office, and coupled with the complete absence of fans inside Old Trafford and the loss of Martial early on, it turned into a mismatched training session.
Ole has made it pretty clear that the board haven't backed him even close to what he has asked for. That indicates pretty strongly that the money simply isn't there to make the reinforcements we need to make a genuine challenge at the top of the league. So an incoming manager would be lumbered with the same abject, demotivated squad and tasked with limited funds to make new acquisitions. He wouldn't have the limited success Ole has had with the same group of players to fall back on, and would be surrounded by the strange, discomforting atmosphere of an empty Old Trafford.
Our best option is to take this on the chin and remind ourselves that this is the same group of players who finished third last season and who got to the latter stages of the Europa League. It is not the time to call for Ole's head. He's not what's holding the club back, the owners are.
Some of you just have to accept that the club has been run in a lacklustre fashion for a while now and the man bearing the brunt of it is the manager, who is in a hopeless position. He's the fall guy for the lack of investment in the club, season after season.
With a bit of togetherness and team spirit we might go on a run again and get a head of steam, but this idea that a new manager would work wonders with this current squad and the overarching structure of the club is a pipe dream. We are where we are for a reason and it is chronic lack of investment in Manchester United Football Club.
It's a bit of a build up to be fair. The first three league games have all been terrible performances, with this one being apocalyptically bad.Solskjær's approval rating in here dropped around 7%(from around 75% to 67%) in less than 20 hours after this loss. That's roughly 200 people either changing their mind or coming off the fence to vote 'Ole out'. Interesting how such "key games" can be all that it takes for some.
It's not just one game though. it's three back-to-back of the worst performances I have seen from a Man Utd team in god knows, possibly even worse than our worst under Moyes, they've genuinely been that bad. And we've had plenty of awful spells under him before too. I also don't think you can call it knee-jerk or whatever because a lot of the people who changed their minds probably had him to be sacked previously too until out prolonged spell of good form after lockdown.Solskjær's approval rating in here dropped around 7%(from around 75% to 67%) in less than 20 hours after this loss. That's roughly 200 people either changing their mind or coming off the fence to vote 'Ole out'. Interesting how such "key games" can be all that it takes for some.
Half of those goals were heavily deflected ones. And Klopp has 196 points in 2 seasons with a CL and PL trophy, so no.Liverpool lost 7-2 to Villa today: should they fire Klopp?
This is a blatant flagrant lie. To the contrary, he's said that there's nothing wrong with the transfer activity at United and praised the owners in the past two days and this has been on multiple occasions even when pushed by the journalists.Ole has made it pretty clear that the board haven't backed him even close to what he has asked for.
Every other club has empty stadiums not just Manchester United for goodness sake. A manager that needs penalties and crowds to be half-decent football games shouldn't be in the job in the first place, let alone at one of the biggest clubs in the World.He wouldn't have the limited success Ole has had with the same group of players to fall back on, and would be surrounded by the strange, discomforting atmosphere of an empty Old Trafford.
The problem is, we have seen this before and Ole has not proven himself particularly capable of arresting these slides in form quickly, once he gets into them.Way too many reactive people on here, yes we've started off terribly, but we did that last season and it was all doom and gloom and then went on a very good run, which shut a lot of people up. There was a relegation thread on here, ffs, and it was serious.
Obviously we don't want the bad start to continue, but let's get the window over first, at least, shall we...
It depends on your view on what the core of problem is. To quote myself from the 'Ole in' thread:People are allowed to change their opinion. if you were just Ole in/out the entire time regardless of performances then that makes you completely blind to progress or lack there of.
People said FSG were a big problem at Liverpool and they won't win under them. It all changed with a great manager.It depends on your view on what the core of problem is. To quote myself from the 'Ole in' thread:
I genuinely believe that only prime Fergie could win something with these shite owners. Pep would never win anything if he was our coach. Mourinho already failed. Klopp could maybe have scraped a PL or CL win eventually, only to crash and burn in spectacular fashion.
We can keep changing managers every other year and hope to eventually find the new Fergie, or we could deal with the actual problem, which is the owners. If there ever was a man in charge that I would be willing to support blindly despite lack of results, it would have to be Ole. The moment we as fans turn on the manager and celebrate his sacking, the owners laugh all the way to the bank. Moyes would have been a failure regardless, but looking at what happened with Van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole, it's clear to see that changing the manager wont solve our problems(unless we hit the jackpot with whoever takes the job).
The club seems rotten to the core. The role of our manager is to keep us semi-relevant and take 100% of the blame when things go wrong. Looking at the 'Ole out' thread it seems to have worked already, and it pisses me off.
TLDR; I don't think any manager can help us. We need a huge internal revolution. Up until that happens, I prefer to have a club legend who seems to have the right ideas in charge. There may be better coaches out there, but there's no way that anyone is going to win the PL or CL with our shite owners. And if they do, it will be a short term fluke before the inevitable crash and burn.
I don't know how McKenna and Carrick also escape criticism on here. They were present during Mourinho's implosion.As many said, we should've similarly lost against Brighton. The heavy defeat isn't the cause of the reactions but the continuation of awful displays where the players look to have seen each other for the 1st time on matchday. The damning thing, this has been going since last season, it's not something new, and many noticed the drop in performances after the Brighton game last June. The coaching staff seems completely helpless and unable to change anything from within once the team drops and they start to shift their focus and the players' to what they don't have.
The dippers literally won the lottery signing mane, sala and firmino. Nobody expected them to gel and perform so well.People said FSG were a big problem at Liverpool and they won't win under them. It all changed with a great manager.
Mourinho failed, because he's a has-been. He was failing at other clubs too. It's not like this was his only failure. He had Chelsea in relegation form in 2015-2016 before he got sacked.
We need to hire a better manager.
Ole being a club legend is irrelevant to his managerial capabilities.
My view is that if there's a better coach out there (of which there are many) then we should get them irrespective of other issues at the club.It depends on your view on what the core of problem is. To quote myself from the 'Ole in' thread:
I genuinely believe that only prime Fergie could win something with these shite owners. Pep would never win anything if he was our coach. Mourinho already failed. Klopp could maybe have scraped a PL or CL win eventually, only to crash and burn in spectacular fashion.
We can keep changing managers every other year and hope to eventually find the new Fergie, or we could deal with the actual problem, which is the owners. If there ever was a man in charge that I would be willing to support blindly despite lack of results, it would have to be Ole. The moment we as fans turn on the manager and celebrate his sacking, the owners laugh all the way to the bank. Moyes would have been a failure regardless, but looking at what happened with Van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole, it's clear to see that changing the manager wont solve our problems(unless we hit the jackpot with whoever takes the job).
The club seems rotten to the core. The role of our manager is to keep us semi-relevant and take 100% of the blame when things go wrong. Looking at the 'Ole out' thread it seems to have worked already, and it pisses me off.
TLDR; I don't think any manager can help us. We need a huge internal revolution. Up until that happens, I prefer to have a club legend who seems to have the right ideas in charge. There may be better coaches out there, but there's no way that anyone is going to win the PL or CL with our shite owners. And if they do, it will be a short term fluke before the inevitable crash and burn.
No one batted an eye here when those players were bought by Liverpool. They became great players at the club under Klopp.The dippers literally won the lottery signing mane, sala and firmino. Nobody expected them to gel and perform so well.
They also sold exceedingly well (both suarez and coutinho among others) which funded their transfer splurge on vvd, allison and keita.
FSG are skint and have barely put any money into their club. The only thing they haven't done is take money (or at least substantial amounts) out of it...as far as we know.
Absolutely. credit to klopp for improving them and more importantly making them play like a team.No one batted an eye here when those players were bought by Liverpool. They became great players at the club under Klopp.
It's not winning a lottery when you buy players and the manager improves them into a well functioning attack. If it is, you can say that for plenty of players then.
With your proposal, top 4 might be out of reach by then.I hate this thread.
Sure, we've been bad for three games. Yes, something should be done. It's painful to see our club lose and play badly. Especially when it's against rivals and old acquaintances. I hate it as much as anyone.
But, I still think getting rid of a manager three games into a new season after letting him stay for a full transfer window is ludicrous and reactionary in the worst way possible. We shouldn't have let Ole go during the break after what he achieved last season, and we shouldn't fire him now. Give him until christmas, and if it's still shite, bring in a new manager before the transfer window opens. Until then - stay put.
Also, I think we should hire a DOF before getting rid of anyone, and especially before hiring anyone, but I guess that's the consensus with everyone.
The job could also be too big for them as their boss but yeah regardless they all need to go.I don't know how McKenna and Carrick also escape criticism on here. They were present during Mourinho's implosion.
The entire coaching staff should be binned as far as I'm concerned.
That "has been" is the only manager to have won an EPL in the previous 5 years among all managers post Fergie when he joined.People said FSG were a big problem at Liverpool and they won't win under them. It all changed with a great manager.
Mourinho failed, because he's a has-been. He was failing at other clubs too. It's not like this was his only failure. He had Chelsea in relegation form in 2015-2016 before he got sacked.
We need to hire a better manager.
Ole being a club legend is irrelevant to his managerial capabilities.
A great manager could definitely change the tides despite the owners, Liverpool fans weren't happy with their owners when they lost 6-1 to Stoke on Gerrard's last game, 5 months later they sacked a much better manager than Ole and appointed Klopp and the rest is history.People said FSG were a big problem at Liverpool and they won't win under them. It all changed with a great manager.
He won a title in 2014-2015 and then proceeded to have the worst title defense ever at that point in the Prem. He had Chelsea in relegation form before he got sacked. He was embroiled in controversy with Chelsea's trainer. That is the last time he's won a league title. He hasn't even come close to competing for a title since then.That "has been" is the only manager to have won an EPL in the previous 5 years among all managers post Fergie when he joined.
He has won the most trophies and the most prestigious trophies with us post Fergie.
He has achieved the highest points total and EPL placing post Fergie.
And this "has been" coach just trashed us 6-1.
"Has been" must mean different things to different people.
I agree. What's the point in sacking Ole now and getting Pochettino in, spend another 150 million to "rebuild" and then sabotage the manager again on his second season?It depends on your view on what the core of problem is. To quote myself from the 'Ole in' thread:
I genuinely believe that only prime Fergie could win something with these shite owners. Pep would never win anything if he was our coach. Mourinho already failed. Klopp could maybe have scraped a PL or CL win eventually, only to crash and burn in spectacular fashion.
We can keep changing managers every other year and hope to eventually find the new Fergie, or we could deal with the actual problem, which is the owners. If there ever was a man in charge that I would be willing to support blindly despite lack of results, it would have to be Ole. The moment we as fans turn on the manager and celebrate his sacking, the owners laugh all the way to the bank. Moyes would have been a failure regardless, but looking at what happened with Van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole, it's clear to see that changing the manager wont solve our problems(unless we hit the jackpot with whoever takes the job).
The club seems rotten to the core. The role of our manager is to keep us semi-relevant and take 100% of the blame when things go wrong. Looking at the 'Ole out' thread it seems to have worked already, and it pisses me off.
TLDR; I don't think any manager can help us. We need a huge internal revolution. Up until that happens, I prefer to have a club legend who seems to have the right ideas in charge. There may be better coaches out there, but there's no way that anyone is going to win the PL or CL with our shite owners. And if they do, it will be a short term fluke before the inevitable crash and burn.
This analogy doesn't work if you actually payed attention to my main point. In my view, getting a new manager would be the equivalent of trying to put out a huge fire with a single bucket of water.If your house has loads of issues do you just ignore the most prevalent ones because they won't fix the other problems the house has? "oh sure my house is flooding cause the boiler is fecked but what's the point in fixing that if rain is coming in from the leaks in the roof!".
