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Jamie Jackson writing Sancho press releases for United...
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It's major mulah. Lets see if Dortmund are right and everyone's rolling in cash again net year.
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Makes sense actually. Again, the only issue why didn't we pursue other option ? The team has been crying for a right winger for years.
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A price we'd known about for two months.
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What the club doesn't seem to realise is that it wasn't us not signing Sancho that has pissed most of us off so much. If it cost too much in these difficult times then so be it, most of us would have understood.
It's that we messed around the entire window trying to get him when we should have known quite early that it wasn't going to happen, and then switched and used that time and money to properly target other options. Instead we basically waited until 72 hours before the window closed before we seemed to get serious about looking elsewhere, and we ended up missing any players that were ready to come in and make a starting spot their own.
It's that we messed around the entire window trying to get him when we should have known quite early that it wasn't going to happen, and then switched and used that time and money to properly target other options. Instead we basically waited until 72 hours before the window closed before we seemed to get serious about looking elsewhere, and we ended up missing any players that were ready to come in and make a starting spot their own.
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They could have let this be known weeks ago. That’s what pisses me off the most
Exactly - so I don’t really buy it. I think it was pure hubris thinking/expecting Dortmund to roll over for us.What the club doesn't seem to realise is that it wasn't us not signing Sancho that has pissed most of us off so much. If it cost too much in these difficult times then so be it, most of us would have understood.
It's that we messed around the entire window trying to get him when we should have known quite early that it wasn't going to happen, and then switched and used that time and money to properly target other options. Instead we basically waited until 72 hours before the window closed before we seemed to get serious about looking elsewhere, and we ended up missing any players that were ready to come in and make a starting spot their own.
Given this metric they now seem to be using, I shudder to think what Maguire’s figure would be.I mean the total outlay on pogba is surely close to 200 million euros over his contract. Its not like they are paying it in one go and also can't add value to it or even recoup some of it with sales.
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I dont think we sign Pogba if his transfer were teleported to 2020.I mean the total outlay on pogba is surely close to 200 million euros over his contract. Its not like they are paying it in one go and also can't add value to it or even recoup some of it with sales.
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It's obvious he was never that keen on joining us, otherwise he'd have lowered his wage demands and pushed harder for the move. United just aren't the draw for these elite talents that we used to be and we need to recognise that quickly and change our transfer strategy.
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I don't believe a word of it.
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He's just doing the same thing for United as what all those other chaps are doing for Dortmund and their leaks about this fiasco. Except, we didn't feel the need to personally insult or defame the way they work as an organisation.
Not that they fecking needed to, we all know Ed's useless already...
As with everything in life, I'm sure the answer is somewhere in the middle of both the set of facts presented.
Not that they fecking needed to, we all know Ed's useless already...
As with everything in life, I'm sure the answer is somewhere in the middle of both the set of facts presented.
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United handled this badly. These lads we bought in could have been done much earlier in the window probably and maybe that would have created a better atmosphere. We now have to forget about it until next summer but we're once again playing catch up. Just address the issue. I think all parties however are being greedy. Footballers are spoit. Agents are spoilt. And Dortmund can ask what they want..but they pulled that price out their butt crack
Judas
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He'd literally agreed personal terms with us, so yeah you're talking rubbish.It's obvious he was never that keen on joining us, otherwise he'd have lowered his wage demands and pushed harder for the move. United just aren't the draw for these elite talents that we used to be and we need to recognise that quickly and make temporary changes to our transfer strategy.
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This has been the logical conclusion for a while now, muppets just chose not to admit it.
Our finances would be tight, this was mentioned by Woodward back in April, 2020.
I don't know where will be next summer, or who will be our manager. But, I can't help but feel we'll live to regret not being able to sign Sancho for a long time. Have a gut feeling, Liverpool and Klopp will cash in on one of Salah/Mane next summer and sign Sancho.
Our finances would be tight, this was mentioned by Woodward back in April, 2020.
What has followed since then has been club deliberately strutting along fans in the false hope of this transfer happening, when the reality is they never had the finances to pull this signing off. By wasting the entirety of time in the transfer window, they have made amends (or tried to) by making number of buys yesterday which is more in-line with their budget this summer.Woodward said it would be a challenging time in the market and it may not be “business as usual” for clubs, including United, when they look for new recruits.
“We need visibility of the impact across the whole industry, including timings of the transfer window and the wider financial picture, before we can talk about a return to normality,” Woodward said in a United fans forum on Friday.
“On this basis, I cannot help feeling that speculation around transfers of individual players for hundreds of millions of pounds this summer seems to ignore the realities that face the sport.”
I don't know where will be next summer, or who will be our manager. But, I can't help but feel we'll live to regret not being able to sign Sancho for a long time. Have a gut feeling, Liverpool and Klopp will cash in on one of Salah/Mane next summer and sign Sancho.
Pogba in 2020 isn't selling for 90 million pounds that's for sure.I dont think we sign Pogba if his transfer were teleported to 2020.
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"We can do things in the transfer market that other clubs can only dream of"
In other words, we are no longer the financial behemoth that we once were. Under Woodward we have gone backwards. A total disgrace.
In other words, we are no longer the financial behemoth that we once were. Under Woodward we have gone backwards. A total disgrace.
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its hard to disagree with.I don't believe a word of it.
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While Ed is running the show I would not trust anything that comes out of united's press releases.
Don't personally mind if the club walked away from a deal that was deemed financially non-viable.
No excuse though for not redirecting those funds to get a CB, RW in though in a timely manner. Nor why we didn't manage to shift out some more from our bloated squad
No excuse though for not redirecting those funds to get a CB, RW in though in a timely manner. Nor why we didn't manage to shift out some more from our bloated squad
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The main problem which most of the fans have with this is the dragging of the deal. If the club believed it was not possible to meet the price+wage outlay, they should have been straightforward about it with all parties and moved on. I didn't believe the 10th August deadline but say they wanted to negotiate further, it should have been till end of August at max and if deal is not looking possible still, move on to alternates and brief that time only that we can't meet the total cost in current condition. Fans would have been disappointed but understood it. Instead, they kept everyone hanging till literally last moment. If Dembele was an alternate, we could have got him for some loan fee + option eventually. Barca (Koeman) desperately wanted Memphis and they would have moved away from 'obligation/sell only' stand they initially took to get rid of Dembele.
Edit: Also, 250M total seems very high and not sure I believe. Even say 100M out of it is for wages over 5 years, 20M per year means 380K+ per week. I doubt if Sancho's agent really asked that much.
Edit: Also, 250M total seems very high and not sure I believe. Even say 100M out of it is for wages over 5 years, 20M per year means 380K+ per week. I doubt if Sancho's agent really asked that much.
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I do not think they would come out publicly if this was a lie. Dortmund and Sancho's agent are going to deny it if its not true
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No issue with the decision, just wish they put that statement out there earlier in the window.
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We'd heard before that the agent fee was the issue.
It seems he's been asking for 40m just as a sweetener alone - that is bonkers.
It would make sense why we never made an official bid - as the fee Dortmund wanted wasn't the issue.
Perhaps makes sense why we tried to use an intermediate agent to get the deal done early, but perhaps Sancho's camp refused?
Either way it seems the deal was just way too much especially in COVID times, It was better to spread it around the squad in this case.
It seems he's been asking for 40m just as a sweetener alone - that is bonkers.
It would make sense why we never made an official bid - as the fee Dortmund wanted wasn't the issue.
Perhaps makes sense why we tried to use an intermediate agent to get the deal done early, but perhaps Sancho's camp refused?
Either way it seems the deal was just way too much especially in COVID times, It was better to spread it around the squad in this case.
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At the end of the day, Sancho was the dream signing that most Utd fans could pull off the top of their head.
But I don’t think any manager or club ever has got a 100% success rate with their first choice transfer. SAF regularly had to settle for alternatives in the 90s. Couldn't get Collymore so got Cole, Couldn’t get Shearer so got Solskjaer, Couldn’t get Kluivert so got Yorke, Cantona launched a surprise retirement so had to get Sheringham in... and all of those guys contributed to a winning team.
Sancho isnt the be all and end all for right wingers, but surely we had more alternatives to him rather than a high risk punt on Ousmane Dembélé? I’m hoping Diallo and Pellistri are those alternatives because this is where it is getting difficult for us. We can’t let the likes of Diallo or Pellistri go to places like Lyon, Dortmund or a top half Premier League team anymore because they’ll demand stupid money (previously in the noughties we could just bid £30m and they’d accept). We have to get those potentially awesome players before they do and develop them ourselves. We’ll have to risks on these boys rather than get stumped by other clubs who beat us to them and hold us to ransom, when they actually live up to their potential and we’re interested.
Its a shame we can’t use Diallo until the new year, otherwise I’d be a bit more upbeat about it. Pellistri will need time to acclimatise to European football I think. If Diallo comes in in the new year and he’s looking like he can handle it then yeah the club did well to identify a good alternative to Sancho. He could very well end up being just as good as Sancho or even better. Sancho isnt even a fecking cert to be good for us either.
If we signed Pellistri and Diallo a month ago, I think we’d all be intrigued by how well they would do and be more assured when all these people who’ve watched them speak about them in glowing terms, but the timing makes it look like we shat the bed over the Spurs loss and Sancho/Dembélé not coming, when wed actually been watching them for a while.
But I don’t think any manager or club ever has got a 100% success rate with their first choice transfer. SAF regularly had to settle for alternatives in the 90s. Couldn't get Collymore so got Cole, Couldn’t get Shearer so got Solskjaer, Couldn’t get Kluivert so got Yorke, Cantona launched a surprise retirement so had to get Sheringham in... and all of those guys contributed to a winning team.
Sancho isnt the be all and end all for right wingers, but surely we had more alternatives to him rather than a high risk punt on Ousmane Dembélé? I’m hoping Diallo and Pellistri are those alternatives because this is where it is getting difficult for us. We can’t let the likes of Diallo or Pellistri go to places like Lyon, Dortmund or a top half Premier League team anymore because they’ll demand stupid money (previously in the noughties we could just bid £30m and they’d accept). We have to get those potentially awesome players before they do and develop them ourselves. We’ll have to risks on these boys rather than get stumped by other clubs who beat us to them and hold us to ransom, when they actually live up to their potential and we’re interested.
Its a shame we can’t use Diallo until the new year, otherwise I’d be a bit more upbeat about it. Pellistri will need time to acclimatise to European football I think. If Diallo comes in in the new year and he’s looking like he can handle it then yeah the club did well to identify a good alternative to Sancho. He could very well end up being just as good as Sancho or even better. Sancho isnt even a fecking cert to be good for us either.
If we signed Pellistri and Diallo a month ago, I think we’d all be intrigued by how well they would do and be more assured when all these people who’ve watched them speak about them in glowing terms, but the timing makes it look like we shat the bed over the Spurs loss and Sancho/Dembélé not coming, when wed actually been watching them for a while.
I completely understand and support the club's decision not to fork out the required fee for him. What I don't understand is why it took us the entire window to make up our minds and go for another target, when Dortmund didn't budge once.
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Like other posters have said we knew the totally cost of the package months ago. If they thought it was too costly they could of ended the pursuit of Sancho in early August. They should have concentrated on other areas of weakness instead of spending all their engery and time dicking about with Sancho.
Using the ecomomic uncertainties of covid and justifying their failure to land Sancho as it not being economical prudent in a pandemic may have some merit, but keeping our hopes up by not doing it months ago makes it sound like an excuse. The old we tried our best, but it wasn't in the cards, that it was down to unforseen circumstances out of our control. However, they have used this excuse time and time again, so much that the Glazers and Woodward are starting to sound like the "boy who cried wolf". Not many believe them anymore.
Using the ecomomic uncertainties of covid and justifying their failure to land Sancho as it not being economical prudent in a pandemic may have some merit, but keeping our hopes up by not doing it months ago makes it sound like an excuse. The old we tried our best, but it wasn't in the cards, that it was down to unforseen circumstances out of our control. However, they have used this excuse time and time again, so much that the Glazers and Woodward are starting to sound like the "boy who cried wolf". Not many believe them anymore.
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They didn't want to sell, 3 yrs on his contract, they could ask for whatever they like. We did waste time on this though, if we were never going to spend the asking price there was no reason to keep pursuing it and put everything else on hold.United handled this badly. These lads we bought in could have been done much earlier in the window probably and maybe that would have created a better atmosphere. We now have to forget about it until next summer but we're once again playing catch up. Just address the issue. I think all parties however are being greedy. Footballers are spoit. Agents are spoilt. And Dortmund can ask what they want..but they pulled that price out their butt crack
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Bullshit when we reportedly bid 110 million in the last week. This is corroborated by the fact that Sancho suddenly got "ill" and missed a couple of matches. He wouldn't have done so if we were not willing to buy him.
It wasn't the lack of money but our negotiation strategy where we falsely assumed Dortmund would buckle under the pressure.. but there was none financially or from Sancho.
It wasn't the lack of money but our negotiation strategy where we falsely assumed Dortmund would buckle under the pressure.. but there was none financially or from Sancho.
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The amount of supporters who begged for him to act in a way that we'd slate him for if he was our player to force a move was pretty revealing.He'd literally agreed personal terms with us, so yeah you're talking rubbish.
Makes me want to give the performative outrage from fans over one of our players pushing for an exit a big sideye in the future
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Chelsea leaked out agents wanting 50mThe main problem which most of the fans have with this is the dragging of the deal. If the club believed it was not possible to meet the price+wage outlay, they should have been straightforward about it with all parties and moved on. I didn't believe the 10th August deadline but say they wanted to negotiate further, it should have been till end of August at max and if deal is not looking possible still, move on to alternates and brief that time only that we can't meet the total cost in current condition. Fans would have been disappointed but understood it. Instead, they kept everyone hanging till literally last moment. If Dembele was an alternate, we could have got him for some loan fee + option eventually. Barca (Koeman) desperately wanted Memphis and they would have moved away from 'obligation/sell only' stand they initially took to get rid of Dembele.
Edit: Also, 250M total seems very high and not sure I believe. Even say 100M out of it is for wages over 5 years, 20M per year means 380K+ per week. I doubt if Sancho's agent really asked that much.
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We've known the price for 12 months now. Why not move onto a different target earlier? We've lacked a first RW for almost a decade. This is negligence and symbolic of our downfall.
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Exactly. Upamecano and Partey had reasonable release clauses. Someone on loan for right wing or the Diallo lad in before the start of the season and release that statement then. Shambles.Don't personally mind if the club walked away from a deal that was deemed financially non-viable.
No excuse though for not redirecting those funds to get a CB, RW in though in a timely manner. Nor why we didn't manage to shift out some more from our bloated squad
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Exactly. We knew from fairly early on what it would take so could have walked away if it wasn't making sense.Like other posters have said we knew the totally cost of the package months ago. If they thought it was too costly they could of ended the pursuit of Sancho in early August. They should have concentrated on other areas of weakness instead of spending all their engery and time dicking about with Sancho.
Using the ecomomic uncertainties of covid and justifying their failure to land Sancho as it not being economical prudent in a pandemic may have some merit, but keeping our hopes up by not doing it months ago makes it sound like an excuse. The old we tried our best, but it wasn't in the cards, that it was down to unforseen circumstances out of our control. However, they have used this excuse time and time again, so much that the Glazers and Woodward are starting to sound like the "boy who cried wolf". Not many believe them anymore.
Slightly disappointed tbh to not read that we will be going for him again.
Spot on sir, spot on.At the end of the day, Sancho was the dream signing that most Utd fans could pull off the top of their head.
But I don’t think any manager or club ever has got a 100% success rate with their first choice transfer. SAF regularly had to settle for alternatives in the 90s. Couldn't get Collymore so got Cole, Couldn’t get Shearer so got Solskjaer, Couldn’t get Kluivert so got Yorke, Cantona launched a surprise retirement so had to get Sheringham in... and all of those guys contributed to a winning team.
Sancho isnt the be all and end all for right wingers, but surely we had more alternatives to him rather than a high risk punt on Ousmane Dembélé? I’m hoping Diallo and Pellistri are those alternatives because this is where it is getting difficult for us. We can’t let the likes of Diallo or Pellistri go to places like Lyon, Dortmund or a top half Premier League team anymore because they’ll demand stupid money (previously in the noughties we could just bid £30m and they’d accept). We have to get those potentially awesome players before they do and develop them ourselves. We’ll have to risks on these boys rather than get stumped by other clubs who beat us to them and hold us to ransom, when they actually live up to their potential and we’re interested.
Its a shame we can’t use Diallo until the new year, otherwise I’d be a bit more upbeat about it. Pellistri will need time to acclimatise to European football I think. If Diallo comes in in the new year and he’s looking like he can handle it then yeah the club did well to identify a good alternative to Sancho. He could very well end up being just as good as Sancho or even better. Sancho isnt even a fecking cert to be good for us either.
If we signed Pellistri and Diallo a month ago, I think we’d all be intrigued by how well they would do and be more assured when all these people who’ve watched them speak about them in glowing terms, but the timing makes it look like we shat the bed over the Spurs loss and Sancho/Dembélé not coming, when wed actually been watching them for a while.
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I think we should walk away from this deal indefinitely now. If the cost of the deal is £225m, it is going to be £200m plus next year too.
We have just signed two wingers at 18, Sancho is 20 and we have 3 forwards all under 25. I do not think it is worth spending the money on Sancho next summer, he should not be a target.
We are better of spending £50m on Upemecano, £50m on Rice which will sort out 2 problems for the price of a luxury signing.
Now, if Dortmund get £108m next year good on them but I can see his price being £80m
We have just signed two wingers at 18, Sancho is 20 and we have 3 forwards all under 25. I do not think it is worth spending the money on Sancho next summer, he should not be a target.
We are better of spending £50m on Upemecano, £50m on Rice which will sort out 2 problems for the price of a luxury signing.
Now, if Dortmund get £108m next year good on them but I can see his price being £80m
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Yep. All these talk is mostly politics with everyone trying to come of as best as possible. We were bad with our negotiations but Dortmund has been classless for a while now in transfer deals. I expect the young talent that goes there from now on to demand release clauses, Haaland style.He's just doing the same thing for United as what all those other chaps are doing for Dortmund and their leaks about this fiasco. Except, we didn't feel the need to personally insult or defame the way they work as an organisation.
Not that they fecking needed to, we all know Ed's useless already...
As with everything in life, I'm sure the answer is somewhere in the middle of both the set of facts presented.
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Ah the transparent bullshit we here after every failed transfer, like clockwork.
It usually appeases the bunch who think being positive is support. Not so sure this time as even if it were true it doesn't excuse failure of alternatives.
It usually appeases the bunch who think being positive is support. Not so sure this time as even if it were true it doesn't excuse failure of alternatives.