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In respond to your 1st question no. But these are apples and oranges since to many, their partners are their lives. If a person did the same after being arrested on holiday in which they served no jail time and were free to continue their livelihood, then I would have serious questions.
Did you see the interview Maguire gave after the incident? Were you there when it happened? You have no idea what you’re talking about or what happened to Maguire in that incident, or his family for that matter. Why is it so hard to give one of our own players the benefit of the doubt?
I agree on that front. But we may also be led by the echo chamber media/social media and diagnosing him with mental health issues now, when these things have happened before and players have navigated that and come out the other end, whilst playing. He's been made captain - if there's an ounce of thought that went into that then it's because he's shown resilience.
He literally spent two nights in a cell.
You bring up a very good point. Considering he had never shown any proof of being one, and seeing him here, I don't think so. How can your captain be mentally fragile? He is very panicky once he makes a mistake, and how many times have we seen him challenging for the same ball, almost tackling his own teammates? Have you ever seen any leaders in the past acting like him? It's bizarre.
I am actually staggered by what I’m reading. There are literally people in this thread diagnosing Harry Maguire with a severe mental illness and trying to shame other posters for criticising his performances and not acknowledging these mental health issues that they’ve decided Maguire definitely has. Virtue signalling really has taken a strange turn.
Just another sad indictment of our recruitment these days. Under Fergie, a player with Maguires ability would have been a squaddie at best.Unfortunately.
True, why it's an "if"... Only he really knows where his head is at... But I just don't think people should call him him weak if he is having issues.
I meant serious jailtime. I have spent time in a cell myself. When I was 18 we went on holiday to Barcelona and our dingbat girl mates thought it was funny to steal an elderly couple's clothes while they were skinnydipping. My girl mates were ethnic in Spain and got accused of stealing their bags. They were locked up for days, with guards banging on their cells to keep them awake, threatening them etc and they had to go to court. The Spanish police were pricks the whole time and our girls were separated from us for a good while. Where as it was clearly a traumatic experience for them, they got back to business once they got home and didn't seem affected they way people are claiming Harry must be. These were 18 year old girls abroad.
Yup. If only the fauxtrage brigade had been as zealous in their defence of Fellaini, Young, Lindelöf, Pogba, Lingard, Lukaku etc etc.
I hear what you are saying and we never know but the narrative seems to just accept that he can't get over the horrors of staying in Greek Alcatraz and so we must accept poor form. We simply don't know either way
Maybe. Or maybe we'd have signed him straight from Hull, once he showed a bit of promise.
Yeah fair enough we probably will never know. Maybe more information will come out in the future once the court case is concluded. In the meantime though it seems harsh to me to imply he is mentally weak
Sometimes I try to think "maybe everyone is right and could I be wrong?" A brawl in Greece seems like a joke but we never know what kind of peaceful squeaky clean life he has lived up till now. He could be a real good boy from a nice family and having to experience a moment of aggression or violence and the threat of trouble could be scary for him. There are some people who are so frightened of the law that they think they will be sent to jail for long sentences if they misbehave even once so I will try to consider the other side too
He’s a pretty humble, possibly naive, guy who has found himself all over the papers, dragged through a foreign court system and has seen the worst run of performances in his career with a string of high profile errors.
The reason I don't think that it's linked to the Greece events is that we have seen him lose it before, the FA cup game against Chelsea was an example of a game where he failed to manage his nerves. There has been signs of what we are cureetly seeing, last season.
I doubt even he could name a single incident as the main reason for what’s happening. There must be a cumulative stress of being made captain of such a big club when the team is floundering. Which the summer embarrassment and stress will have compounded. He certainly seems at a very low ebb, that’s for sure.
Bailly was man of the match against Japan yesterday
I agree with that view, it's probably an accumulation of things including some that are private.
£80M of the Queen’s finest. I will never get over it.Useless oaf. £80m
There must be recognition by the club it is not entirely business as usual, because he’s done no media duties since his extended interview with the BBC after the court saga. We’ve had two catastrophic home defeats to start the season and our club captain, who ordinarily fronts up, has been completely AWOL.
Yeah he definitely does because otherwise could see him going down the Sol Campbell route in 2006 and wouldn't want that to happen
My issue is posters having a go at other posters for not acknowledging these ‘mental health issues’.
Yeah couldn't have put it better myself
The signs you have seen are signs that he can be affected by anxiousness, not that it will necessessarily escalate. On the contrary, for a guy who’s capable of being nervous outside of his optimal zone (we all know some nerves are generally better than no nerves for achievement focus, right?), the fact that he’s taken the captaincy at such a young age, at such a club, to such acknowledgement by those inside the club, only points towards that they would become less and less of a problem. Particularily since Bruno came, and we turned a corner, and we made 3rd place. He should be calmer in general now. If not for the incident.
Ask where their morals are in the Pogba, Lingard threads & it’s crickets.
And all on one page?! Seems like you have some issues with Maguire you can’t seem to resolve!
Why are you lumping these opinions in together? Maybe I’m an idiot but I will pretty much stick up for all of our players when they go through a tough time, Pogba included.
