Greenwood and Williams dropped for drinking issues...

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Correct decision by Ole if true. Yes he's young and you have to allow for that but he's not a normal teenager and he needs to understand that.

He's a ridiculous talent so Ole needs to do everything he can to keep him on the straight and narrow.
 

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Punished for it and we move on. If it happens on a regular basis, then it becomes an issue. I don't care right now though. It's been dealt with.
 

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True, but let's be fair.

Greenwood wasn't being judged by a high ceiling of professional standard. He's not being asked to live in celibacy. He still could go out, have fun, have a drink, have a shag. All he's asked is that don't do this during the 3 days official NT trip. I'm a teenager once, and yes I've done stupid things, but at 19 I've learn to at least follow basic group rules, I'd follow University / school rules. I don't smoke at no smoking zone. I learn to respect boundaries.

And this incident doesn't mean he's a bad kid, but if we kept on letting things slide he will become one.

SAF was the best in dealing with things like this not because he let things slide and let the boys have fun.
We have to remember what the bar is and what it prevents him and others of that profile from getting away with, so to speak. That's all.

As long as it's not reported, it didn't happen... so it goes, and that's purely based on whether you're worth those column inches/tweets/TV talking points or not.

Once you're of the profile Greenwood now has after his breakout season, things are emphatically different even if you're leading the exact same lifestyle you always were.

Pretty sure, unless he's a problem child (and nothing substantiates that), we'll have a cluster of stories, then as he adjusts and learns the ropes, things will go silent again, and that's not necessarily because of a change of ways, just a more savvy way of going about things.
 

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It does seem like just a pub rumour. I personally would take anything these clowns say with a huge pinch of salt.
And it embolds this view for certain people even if its true or not. I cant see why sources like the Star are banned yet we are allowing serious allegations from YouTube nobodies to be made.
 

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I thought Mason has a strict father who hold by the leash in everything he does in and for his career? I remember i read that somewhere on here. Seems like the son is in a 'rebellious' stage right now. Don't see Rooney and Ronaldo doing this at a young age. Please don't throw that talent away
Yeah this, I remember @Adnan being close to him or knowing someone close to him. As for this rumour I wouldn't pay particular attention to it, if it hasn't been picked up by the usual suspects yet.

Also @Adnan what are you hearing as regards the boy this days
 

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Iceland incident, 'hippy crack', now this (if true), not enough of a regular basis?
There's no suggestion Greenwood and Williams have literally been out drinking and partying, the quote was "too much of a drinking culture". That can be taken in many ways, including staying up too late with mates. Ole himself said something along the lines of Greenwood stays up too late playing Playstation when he should be in bed, so there's typical 18-year-old lifestyle issues at play here.

We've all heard the stories about Giggs and Sharpe, and everyone else for that matter having house parties and going to the Hacienda, it happens and the players grow up when they realise what's at stake.

Don't understand why there seems to be a collection of people on here who can't wait to say Greenwood is the new Ravel Morrison. He'll be fine once he grows up a bit. Hopefully the players around him have a word and he cracks on.
 

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Those blokes in the video are proper United fans and probably have some sources within the club. I doubt they will stir this if this was untrue as the mood around the club isn't too great at the moment. I mean, why even add to that? We are all United supporters who want to see good in the club and the players
 

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Hopefully the club sorts Greenwood out (if needed). He's too important a player for our future and too incredible a talent for a poor mentality to ruin it all.
 

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Wow. People have really bought in to this story again because some makes one or two comments on their YouTube channel.

This ‘new’ information is more than likely to be absolute nonsense and just possible mud slinging
 

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Alot of dismissive comments in this thread, but it is slightly worrying that whilst Greenwood is obviously young and learning, he does seem to be getting mixed up in the wrong things currently, so if it's true about him being a poor trainer and drinking and all this, somebody really does need to shake him up
 

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I've heard Greenwood ain't a good trainer. The rest is just him being a normal teenager. All the best players have a flaw and his is perfectly understandable. Cantona now is lauded as an angel who never missed training and stayed back for extra homework. But I remember different.
Heard from where? He’s been credited by the boss for his work ethic during lock down. So what greater insight does some newb on the Caf have?
 

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I said it in another thread but after what happened on England duty the last thing we should be doing is spreading and encouraging rumours about Greenwood. If it turns out he has done something like this then we need to let the club deal with it internally, the last thing we want is the Sun and the Mirror gunning for him from every angle.
What are you talking about? When a player in Manchetser fecking united do stupid things, the press will know whatever he do to try to hide it, this is why playing for united comes with conditions that should be met. He should be a professional on and off the pitch. no excuse he is 19.
 

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Wow. People have really bought in to this story again because some makes one or two comments on their YouTube channel.

This ‘new’ information is more than likely to be absolute nonsense and just possible mud slinging
Its odd that neither were in the squad on Saturday though isnt it? Especially Greenwood...
 

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What are you talking about? When a player in Manchetser fecking united do stupid things, the press will know whatever he do to try to hide it, this is why playing for united comes with conditions that should be met. He should be a professional on and off the pitch. no excuse he is 19.
Agreed.

What happened in Iceland should have been a massive wake-up call to him, yet a few weeks later he's back in the news again, for the wrong reasons.
 

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The bald one is Tony O'Neill. United hooligan from back in the day, who wrote a great book called Red Army General. All the players know him. The fact Gary Neville let's them film in Hotel Football for free tells you his connections.
 

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Its odd that neither were in the squad on Saturday though isnt it? Especially Greenwood...
A little, yes.

It’s more odd that not a single media outlet has anything similar to report but suddenly the Red Army general is at the forefront of insider United knowledge.

I’m not buying it but then I wouldn’t buy it if it was in the mainstream media so I’m probably not the best judge
 

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stick him in a room with Ravel Morrison for an hour and let him talk about what a great career he’s had.

not unusual behaviour, but we need to nip it in the bud quickly.
Really good point bringing that case up. The legions of 'Ravel was nailed on to be one of the greatest ever' people are the reason SAF gave him such a long leash. Cases like Ravel sometimes make an abrupt course correction. It's "worth the risk".

This stuff happens in all fields with 'special talents'. Kid could graduate med school at fifteen; kid can matriculate at Curtis at thirteen, join the NBA at eighteen etc. How best to guide them?

EDIT: also, does anyone know his wage at the time?

Correct decision by Ole if true. Yes he's young and you have to allow for that but he's not a normal teenager and he needs to understand that.

He's a ridiculous talent so Ole needs to do everything he can to keep him on the straight and narrow.
It's indeed mildly serious if true. It's very little to nothing to do with the partying itself and everything to do with the underlying developmental psychology.

Ole did very well with Rashford. But Rashford was older and also he's made of sterner stuff. (also, one could argue that he's kind of overcompensated)

Both signed new long term contracts few months ago with huge pay rise. Coincidence?
If it's true then there's an extremely high chance that it's not a coincidence.

But it's also not too bad. It's serious but it's not Ravel Morrisson serious. Also, in Williams' case at least I'd be very very surprised if there's a need for anything beyond a bit of a slap on the wrist.
 
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There's no suggestion Greenwood and Williams have literally been out drinking and partying, the quote was "too much of a drinking culture". That can be taken in many ways, including staying up too late with mates. Ole himself said something along the lines of Greenwood stays up too late playing Playstation when he should be in bed, so there's typical 18-year-old lifestyle issues at play here.

We've all heard the stories about Giggs and Sharpe, and everyone else for that matter having house parties and going to the Hacienda, it happens and the players grow up when they realise what's at stake.

Don't understand why there seems to be a collection of people on here who can't wait to say Greenwood is the new Ravel Morrison. He'll be fine once he grows up a bit. Hopefully the players around him have a word and he cracks on.
Hence the (if true) part of my comment. Even "too much of a drinking culture" doesn't bode well.

Where have I said I hope he's the new Ravel Morrison :confused:
 

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Its odd that neither were in the squad on Saturday though isnt it? Especially Greenwood...
While it could be true it could also be clickbait youtube sites trying to make up lies to generate clicks, like a certain Mark Goldbridge with Fernandes.

He made up the rumour of a fight between Fernandes and Ole at HT and it spread like wildfire, and now Fernandes was forced to publicly deny it.

I say take everything you hear with a pinch of salt, maybe Greenwood was just unwell and Williams was replaced by Telles? it's easy to put 2+2 together and make up a story afterwards.
 

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If this story is true, then he well and truly is a muppet. First with the hookers with England, then the story with the laughing gas and now this. If I were Ole, i'd banish him to the reservers, dock him a few weeks wages and tell him to get his act together otherwise he can get lost. He can waste away his talent like Ravel or he can become one of the best players in the world with hard work and discipline. The choice is his
 

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Its odd that neither were in the squad on Saturday though isnt it? Especially Greenwood...
Is it that odd? Williams hasn't been in the squad for a single Premier League game this season so far.

There's every chance Greenwood was given a couple of weeks off since Solskjaer wasn't happy that England called him up for the first set of international games and said he needed a rest. The international break was the perfect opportunity to give him a rest (and during that time Williams was away with England u21s).
 

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Pretty stupid and irresponsible to bleat out for no reason other than looking the big man with the inside scoop. You're not the press and have nothing to gain, and neither have the club or Mason and Williams as far as another media witch hunt is concerned. I assume he thought it'd be everywhere in no time. The fact it's not shows it either b*ll*cks or the club are keeping a tight lid on it. Idiots all round.
 

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People are forgetting the Ronaldo, Nani and Anderson parties or Rooney (not only when he was young) missing games almost every season because all off a sudden he had “caught a virus or was sick”. Off course SAF wasn’t going to say he was drinking and partying.
It’s not a major issue and I am sure Greenwood will be alright (if the reported story is true at all). Also Telles was already on the bench so not sure Williams was needed that much against Newcastle.
 

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His "issues" are the same as any teenager who earns a sh*tload of money per week, I imagine.
He is not a child ffs. He is a person who have the right to vote and choose governments. He is playing for Manchester fecking united not Swindon town and should be role model for younger players. I dont understand how is it okay to give leeway for stupid actions for someone in his age.
 

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Very disappointing if true. I think it was very telling that Ole just said 'hopefully he will be fit soon' You mean he was injured?? Hamsting? Muscle injury?

I seem to have misjudged Greenwood in that I though his attitude and 'level headedness' were nailed on. It appears they are not. If his behaviour doesnt change immediately, he will not hit the heights we initially thought that he might. Unless you are the ultimate professional, you can forget about becoming one of those very very few players who regularly features in Balloon Dor conversations. He has the talent to do so I believe.

For me, the signs were there as to his mentality as soon as he appeared plastered in tattoos mid way last season. Yes I know I'm old fashioned but if anybody ever presented themselves for an interview with tattoos, I'd tell them to just get get out, unless I was trying to form a rock band. Tattoos used to be the mark of a rebel, now every moron has them.
 

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He’s a kid who’s having new experiences having just become an “adult”. It’s just a phase that everyone goes through. He’ll get over it.
He's a professional who only a month ago had a severe disciplinary issue with breaking covid rules and then found taking drugs at a party. So, almost right after doing that (a month later!) he's suspended by Ole for drinking and you're cool because it's a phase :lol:

Show me the other top, top teenage talents being suspended twice in a month for doing teenage things.
 

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Everybody jumping on Greenwood et al and you can only imagine what Giggsy and Lee Sharpe were getting up to back in the day!
 

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It’s very easy for the club to identify if (a big if) Greenwood have a drinking problem. Just a single blood test shows the exact alcohol concentration in the body and it lasts long after a month if you drinking on a regular basis. You can basically see if he’s been drinking on the weekend a week after the situation.

Im pretty sure the players do drugtest once a month at least. And perhaps every week in covid times.
 

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For me, the signs were there as to his mentality as soon as he appeared plastered in tattoos mid way last season. Yes I know I'm old fashioned but if anybody ever presented themselves for an interview with tattoos, I'd tell them to just get get out, unless I was trying to form a rock band. Tattoos used to be the mark of a rebel, now every moron has them.
Sure, we’ve never seen successful and professional players with tattoos.
 

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It’s very easy for the club to identify if (a big if) Greenwood have a drinking problem. Just a single blood test shows the exact alcohol concentration in the body and it lasts long after a month if you drinking on a regular basis. You can basically see if he’s been drinking on the weekend a week after the situation.

Im pretty sure the players do drugtest once a month at least. And perhaps every week in covid times.
Naw it doesn’t alcohol only lasts 12 hours in your blood and 3-5 days in your urine
 
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