They can get away with it simply because there are sufficient haltwits who will swallow it hook line and bullsh1t.We all knew this was where all roads leads to. How the Tires have sold this as a victory is outstanding..
They can get away with it simply because there are sufficient haltwits who will swallow it hook line and bullsh1t.We all knew this was where all roads leads to. How the Tires have sold this as a victory is outstanding..
What would / does a current poll of Brexit taken now say? How would the percentages from the 2016 vote differ?Good article in the FT today about the coming clusterf*ck in trade and the impact on producers on both sides:
EU economy: fear of no-deal Brexit stalks the fields of Flanders
I still think the odds are in favour of a trade deal as it seems most of the people in this article below think as wellGood article in the FT today about the coming clusterf*ck in trade and the impact on producers on both sides:
EU economy: fear of no-deal Brexit stalks the fields of Flanders
I don't think there's much reliable data. My guess is it would still be too close to call, like the referendum was in 2016.What would / does a current poll of Brexit taken now say? How would the percentages from the 2016 vote differ?
Doubt there'd be a significant difference unfortunately, considerable portion of the British population are as bad as Trumpites cult when it comes to Tories.What would / does a current poll of Brexit taken now say? How would the percentages from the 2016 vote differ?
That’s mind boggling.I don't think there's much reliable data. My guess is it would still be too close to call, like the referendum was in 2016.
That’s mind boggling.Doubt there'd be a significant difference unfortunately, considerable portion of the British population are as bad as Trumpites cult when it comes to Tories.
Unless there was a massive push from all angles of the media, people would still vote in droves for Brexit.
That aggregate of the polls ends in February of this year. It would be inconceivable to me that the numbers would be similar if polling were taken recently, but I am just a Yank looking across the pond at the lunacy.https://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/euref2-poll-of-polls-2/
seems about right based on the polls that have been done ... pretty much still within the margin of error and showing roughly what they were pre referendum
Extract from euref2/poll of polls@MikeUpNorth
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/euref2-poll-of-polls-2/
seems about right(not much data) but based on the polls that have been done ... pretty much still within the margin of error and showing roughly what they were pre referendum
Im not sure... given that the UK has left the EU (we are in the transition arrangement but have left) I guess a polling company may have thought " Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" is no longer valid given that UK has already left so any polls after that should either reflect that or perhaps condition it on being a hypothetical situationExtract from euref2/poll of polls
Note the series includes both polls that were only conducted in Great Britain and those that were conducted across the United Kingdom as a whole. It also includes both those that asked people how they would vote in response to the question that appeared on the ballot paper in the June 2016 referendum and those that asked a slightly differently worded question **
**I wonder what that question was?
If you'd spent the last 5 years fervently believing something, arguing for it, and telling all your mates that you were absolutely right, wouldn't you be tempted to grab hold of any messaging that didn't make you look like a total twat when it was all finally proven to have been nonsense?They can get away with it simply because there are sufficient haltwits who will swallow it hook line and bullsh1t.
Exactly, if you want to know if the answers to the original question has changed, you just ask the same question again, not 'roll it up' with some other question...unless of course you are after a particular bias!!Im not sure... given that the UK has left the EU (we are in the transition arrangement but have left) I guess a polling company may have thought " Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" is no longer valid given that UK has already left so any polls after that should either reflect that or perhaps condition it on being a hypothetical situation
Not sure what wording they would use though?
I dont know about that... asking if you would like to remain a member if the EU when you are not a member of the Eu would at best seem a stupid question... and considering the cost of running these polls and the idea being that they give people insight on which to base things would make paying to ask such a stupid question even more stupid as these polls have been conducted for a purpose other than an aggregator to trackExactly, if you want to know if the answers to the original question has changed, you just ask the same question again, not 'roll it up' with some other question...unless of course you are after a particular bias!!
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Until the end of this year the UK still gets the benefit of EU membership even though they left at the end of January.That’s mind boggling.
Of course, but now we've left the only question that could be put is would you have voted differently to last time, and it can only be asked of those who did actually vote.I dont know about that... asking if you would like to remain a member if the EU when you are not a member of the Eu would at best seem a stupid question... and considering the cost of running these polls and the idea being that they give people insight on which to base things would make paying to ask such a stupid question even more stupid as these polls have been conducted for a purpose other than an aggregator to track
That part of society doesn't give a rat's ass about trade deals. They may talk of Brexit in terms of money, but the underlying motivator is the idea of Glorious Autonomy (especially on immigration). Also, trade deals and no-deal are too abstract to really influence opinions. Try again in two years though, when the economic impact of the Brexit really starts to be felt.That’s mind boggling.
I guess the recent trade agreements with Mongolia & the Ivory Coast are playing well in that deluded segment of society.
Our biggest problem is that public opinion is swayed a lot by what people see and hear from their politicians, and for the majority of our press it's right wing or center right. The average person doesn't really hear about the failings of Boris and Co because the Mail are too busy talking about how Corbyn is a socialist (even with Starmer being in charge).What would / does a current poll of Brexit taken now say? How would the percentages from the 2016 vote differ?
Ugh feck off you old bat. You’re half the reason we have reached this position with your “Brexit means Brexit” bullshit.Tweet
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This is utterly and depressingly completely true.Our biggest problem is that public opinion is swayed a lot by what people see and hear from their politicians, and for the majority of our press it's right wing or center right. The average person doesn't really hear about the failings of Boris and Co because the Mail are too busy talking about how Corbyn is a socialist (even with Starmer being in charge).
We've gradually but intentionally come to a point where they've won. They control the message and can hand over millions of taxpayer's pounds to their buddies in broad daylight and not even have to answer questions about it - which wouldn't matter anyway because if they did they would just say "that's not true" and get away without even a rebuttal from the media... And EVEN then if there was a rebuttal, the people reading the news won't be interested because they've been distracted by the latest cat videos that pop up in social media (or on the front page of the BBC instead of actual news).
Sounds sadly familiar.Our biggest problem is that public opinion is swayed a lot by what people see and hear from their politicians, and for the majority of our press it's right wing or center right. The average person doesn't really hear about the failings of Boris and Co because the Mail are too busy talking about how Corbyn is a socialist (even with Starmer being in charge).
We've gradually but intentionally come to a point where they've won. They control the message and can hand over millions of taxpayer's pounds to their buddies in broad daylight and not even have to answer questions about it - which wouldn't matter anyway because if they did they would just say "that's not true" and get away without even a rebuttal from the media... And EVEN then if there was a rebuttal, the people reading the news won't be interested because they've been distracted by the latest cat videos that pop up in social media (or on the front page of the BBC instead of actual news).
Bang on! The media are willingly complicit and the amount of absolutely unbelievable things they can do without a single journalist asking a question is astonishing. There is no accountability anymore and even to things that actually stick they are forgotten in a month (Boris illegally postponing parliament, Russia report, Cummings Dover trip).Our biggest problem is that public opinion is swayed a lot by what people see and hear from their politicians, and for the majority of our press it's right wing or center right. The average person doesn't really hear about the failings of Boris and Co because the Mail are too busy talking about how Corbyn is a socialist (even with Starmer being in charge).
We've gradually but intentionally come to a point where they've won. They control the message and can hand over millions of taxpayer's pounds to their buddies in broad daylight and not even have to answer questions about it - which wouldn't matter anyway because if they did they would just say "that's not true" and get away without even a rebuttal from the media... And EVEN then if there was a rebuttal, the people reading the news won't be interested because they've been distracted by the latest cat videos that pop up in social media (or on the front page of the BBC instead of actual news).
And when they realise that immigration won't be "brought under control" either. Speaking of which...That part of society doesn't give a rat's ass about trade deals. They may talk of Brexit in terms of money, but the underlying motivator is the idea of Glorious Autonomy (especially on immigration). Also, trade deals and no-deal are too abstract to really influence opinions. Try again in two years though, when the economic impact of the Brexit really starts to be felt.
Here's the latest figures @Strachans Cigar. Same trend nearly 18 months on. EU immigration goes down, while we voluntarily choose to let in even more non-EU immigrants.1. Leave EU. Stop freedom of movement from the EU.
2. Redesign new, -universal- immigration policy making changes to the current non-EU immigration policy with the initial aim of reducing net migration to government target of c.100k. Bill is currently pending, presumably awaiting the outcome of Brexit, as already linked earlier.
3. If government do not keep promises on immigration, vote for a party that will.
...in fact, maybe vote for another party anyway
Your observations on this situation seem to be: Don’t bother to vote to leave the EU because nothing will likely be done about immigration by the government anyway.
Voting in a General Election is a leap of faith ultimately. If what you vote for doesn’t transpire, if the party you voted for doesn’t honour their manifesto pledges, you have the freedom to change that vote at the next General Election. Simples.
Unlike referendums?
Do you think maybe you were lied to about Brexit's role in immigration reform?Since the end of 2016, long-term net migration, immigration and emigration have remained broadly stable (Figure 1), although in the latest year we have seen a slight increase in immigration. Some variations in these trends have occurred over this time period, however, we recommend users look at the broader evidence and longer time series, which allow a better assessment of trends.
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EU net migration has fallen following peak levels in 2015 and 2016. Since 2013, non-EU net migration has gradually increased and, as at the year ending December 2019, is at the highest level since International Passenger Survey (IPS) records for this group began in 1975.
Donald Trump's lasting legacy will be showing leaders in western democracies that, if you have the sheer balls to attempt it, you can turn George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four from a stark warning into a strategy guide. Not even David and George would've gone as far as this lot.Sounds sadly familiar.
I genuinely don’t think Trump wanted to be president or thought that he could be. I think it was a vanity project, so that he could say he ran for president, much like when Katie Price ran as an MP. It all went wrong when he got the nomination, and at that point had to just carry on.Donald Trump's lasting legacy will be showing leaders in western democracies that, if you have the sheer balls to attempt it, you can turn George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four from a stark warning into a strategy guide. Not even David and George would've gone as far as this lot.
Serco Track and Trace contract as well.Bang on! The media are willingly complicit and the amount of absolutely unbelievable things they can do without a single journalist asking a question is astonishing. There is no accountability anymore and even to things that actually stick they are forgotten in a month (Boris illegally postponing parliament, Russia report, Cummings Dover trip).
He was as shocked as all of us were that he won. His lasting legacy won’t be too far off of what Mr. Pigeon said, though. If a president can force able control key institutions in government, they can help install their preferred type of government outside of the typical governmental machinations.I genuinely don’t think Trump wanted to be president or thought that he could be. I think it was a vanity project, so that he could say he ran for president, much like when Katie Price ran as an MP. It all went wrong when he got the nomination, and at that point had to just carry on.
As well as peddling the usual “you wouldn’t believe what the EU are making us do now” bullshit for years.Ugh feck off you old bat. You’re half the reason we have reached this position with your “Brexit means Brexit” bullshit.
Oh, definitely. He probably thought he could sabotage his own chances by doing it but it somehow made him win. And at that point voters around the world had a spotlight shining on them that showed people like Boris how you can get away with it. Keep people dumb and fill them with nice sounding slogans and they'll accept it.I genuinely don’t think Trump wanted to be president or thought that he could be. I think it was a vanity project, so that he could say he ran for president, much like when Katie Price ran as an MP. It all went wrong when he got the nomination, and at that point had to just carry on.
That last sentence probably sounds great in scots in particular the last word. On a side note people don't need help to stay dumb, Trump is more a symptom than an actor in his own election.Oh, definitely. He probably thought he could sabotage his own chances by doing it but it somehow made him win. And at that point voters around the world had a spotlight shining on them that showed people like Boris how you can get away with it. Keep people dumb and fill them with nice sounding slogans and they'll accept it.
It also takes a special kind of cnut to do it, though. As much as I dislike Cameron I don't think he would've been capable of dropping to Boris's level of bastardry.
Absolutely true.Our biggest problem is that public opinion is swayed a lot by what people see and hear from their politicians, and for the majority of our press it's right wing or center right. The average person doesn't really hear about the failings of Boris and Co because the Mail are too busy talking about how Corbyn is a socialist (even with Starmer being in charge).
We've gradually but intentionally come to a point where they've won. They control the message and can hand over millions of taxpayer's pounds to their buddies in broad daylight and not even have to answer questions about it - which wouldn't matter anyway because if they did they would just say "that's not true" and get away without even a rebuttal from the media... And EVEN then if there was a rebuttal, the people reading the news won't be interested because they've been distracted by the latest cat videos that pop up in social media (or on the front page of the BBC instead of actual news).
He was banned ages ago! His last post was an epic way to go.And when they realise that immigration won't be "brought under control" either. Speaking of which...
Here's the latest figures @Strachans Cigar. Same trend nearly 18 months on. EU immigration goes down, while we voluntarily choose to let in even more non-EU immigrants.
Do you think maybe you were lied to about Brexit's role in immigration reform?
Link to it? It wasn’t the one that was just referenced, was it?He was banned ages ago! His last post was an epic way to go.
Was from the gay footballers thread.Link to it? It wasn’t the one that was just referenced, was it?
Pissing & reproduction would probably be correct. In terms of what is normal/natural:
Wanking, doesn’t reproduce the species.
Blowjobs, ditto
Snips & contraception, man made, so not natural or normal
Tit wanks, toe jobs, anal sex...of course it’s all developments/embellishments/enhancements to the only basic necessary & normal act of fecking innit? Tits are for feeding infants, toes help balance, arses, well, you get the picture. An awful lot of human sexual behaviour isn’t normal when you think about it is it? All those ‘weird’ fetishes and so on?
Animals? Don’t generally see Monkeys teabagging each other with gas masks & gimp suits on do we down Chester Zoo?
Bum fun? Well of course you have the classic ‘mans man’ who thinks it’s great that his Missus takes it up the arse, but who is also as homophobic as you like. Very hypocritical, as apart from a few hairs, it’s exactly the same act innit? (I know) So no, heterosexual anal sex ain’t normal either.
It’s really really simple. Sticking your dick up someone’s arse is not normal behaviour & the lengths liberals will go to try and persuade everyone else that somehow it is are, quite frankly, ridiculous. I knew it wasn’t normal when I was doing it ffs! If you are happy doing it, and the other party consents that’s all that fecking matters yeah?
You might be *trying* to make the straight majority see it as normal because you are a social libertarian, it doesn’t matter. Because, it ain’t normal. It is an abuse of equipment put simply. Proven by biological design, test & result over one million years.
Or, we could go completely the other way couldn’t we? Because if a significant minority of people do an act it *must be normal* right!? Because in early human ancestory, Rape was normal, Murder was normal, Cannibalism was normal, Paedophilia was normal? And there was no means of policing society back then was there? Or any *artificial* human system for keeping order and us being a (fake) so called civilised society was there? So, nature being nature it was the law of the jungle yeah? Plenty of animals still do these things yeah?
Animals that the liberal community seem very keen on pointing to for evidence of homosexuality being natural?
I remember this, was thinking more along Brexit terms.Was from the gay footballers thread.
There's pages of the shit around the pages linked to below. He had an obsession with immigration numbers.I remember this, was thinking more along Brexit terms.
This is quite the departure statement. It’s sad that some in here & in society in general would be nodding along with this like the chick behind Trump the other night.