Pickford's tackle on VVD: What should be the punishment?

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VAR is good. It just needs slightly better utilisation. It has corrected many a bad decision already which people don't like to focus on. Maybe we need to put less power in the hands of the referees and more in that of the manager/staff - appeal system as in cricket and tennis.
I don't think VAR is benefitting the game the slightest. It takes momentum away from it, there are dodgy interpretations, fans and management/staff don't seem to fully understand how it should be applied and there is a huge discrepancy between how the system is used between competitions - which will never be syncronized.

Yes you have some decisions rightly reversed but there is a cost attached to it which imo is just not worth it. Is the fooball better after VAR? Hell no.
 

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It’s a terrible tackle and it’s a major issue that the refs association can’t ever say “we got one wrong” but for the love of god it’s not even the worst challenge in that game alone. It should be a red card, 3 match ban and everyone move on. Liverpool fans are just next level delusional.
 

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Everton goalkeeper Jordan Pickford will not face retrospective action over his challenge on Virgil van Dijk in Saturday's Merseyside derby.

The FA determined the incident was seen at the time having consulted with the match officials, including VAR.



As expected.
It was obvious.
 

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Wonder how goalkeepers so far have managed to make themselves "big" without needing to go in stud first into someone's leg that high. It doesn't matter 1 bit whether or not Pickford went into that challenge wanting to hurt VVD, the simple fact is that a challenge like that is going to cause a serious injury almost every time unless the other player has high leg in the air. People dismissing it as nothing blah blah but I wonder how different the reactions would be if Pickford did that to one of our guys. Ridiculous..
My point still stands, it was reckless and stupid. But it was still Pickford trying to make himself big as a goalkeeper. As a goal keeper myself I can understand what he’s trying to do. Yes you can still get red carded and banned for reckless tackles which had no intent. This should have been a red and 3 match ban. To suggest it needs a lengthy ban is ridiculous. To suggest the keeper meant it with intent is just really bizarre.
 

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It’s a terrible tackle and it’s a major issue that the refs association can’t ever say “we got one wrong” but for the love of god it’s not even the worst challenge in that game alone. It should be a red card, 3 match ban and everyone move on. Liverpool fans are just next level delusional.
I agree with all of this.
 

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My point still stands, it was reckless and stupid. But it was still Pickford trying to make himself big as a goalkeeper. As a goal keeper myself I can understand what he’s trying to do. Yes you can still get red carded and banned for reckless tackles which had no intent. This should have been a red and 3 match ban. To suggest it needs a lengthy ban is ridiculous. To suggest the keeper meant it with intent is just really bizarre.
He doesnt even make himself big. He literally dives in. His arms arent even up
 

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My point still stands, it was reckless and stupid. But it was still Pickford trying to make himself big as a goalkeeper. As a goal keeper myself I can understand what he’s trying to do. Yes you can still get red carded and banned for reckless tackles which had no intent. This should have been a red and 3 match ban. To suggest it needs a lengthy ban is ridiculous. To suggest the keeper meant it with intent is just really bizarre.
Can he mean it with no intent?

 

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My point still stands, it was reckless and stupid. But it was still Pickford trying to make himself big as a goalkeeper. As a goal keeper myself I can understand what he’s trying to do. Yes you can still get red carded and banned for reckless tackles which had no intent. This should have been a red and 3 match ban. To suggest it needs a lengthy ban is ridiculous. To suggest the keeper meant it with intent is just really bizarre.
The only ridiculous thing about this whole incident is that people in here are arguing the way you do with a straight face. Pickford flew in on knee height. A tackle like that will always result in a serious injury. A three match ban isn't enough for such an assault. It doesn't matter what went through his head when he did it.

I mean, if he didn't do it on purpose he's just stupid and shouldn't be allowed to play football until he's no longer a danger to himself and others. That's how idiotic that tackle was if it really wasn't malicious.
 

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IMO, and i might be biased :angel:
If you can imagine this, by chance, actually inferred no injury on VVD, would we even be having this discussion? I feel the situation is judged very much based on the outcome, rather than the action itself. I agree it is a reckless challenge, and the outcome is horrendous. But i think we should judge it based on the action itself, and not the outcome. Though, had it been a United-player, i would probably have a hard time seeing that argument...
Exactly why I brought up the Lo Celso stamp on Azpilicueta earlier in the thread from last season. Seen by the ref, seen by VAR and no red card.... sure they admitted it was a mistake, eventually.... the actual incident is worse than this one, pretty much just an assault.

Pickford at least looks like he's going for the ball even if he dives in very recklessly.

What if Azpi got his leg broken by the stamp, which he could well have done?

Pickford VVD incident just shows the refereeing and VAR are just as shite as last year...
 

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I think United should refuse to play against Everton unless this thug is permanently banned. We could face horrendous injuries, or even worse death, playing that absolutely reckless unit.
We're more likely to win if Pickford plays than some other keeper though
 

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I think the lack of a death sentence for Pickford and decades worth of titles awarded to LFC as compensation is a bad move.

Who can imagine what kind of anarchy on the streets of Liverpool and indeed the rest of the UK this will cause? Careless by the authorities. Just watch the arson rates, vandalism, stabbings and combined stabbing-poetry incidents that are going to ensue now.
 

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I don't think VAR is benefitting the game the slightest. It takes momentum away from it, there are dodgy interpretations, fans and management/staff don't seem to fully understand how it should be applied and there is a huge discrepancy between how the system is used between competitions - which will never be syncronized.

Yes you have some decisions rightly reversed but there is a cost attached to it which imo is just not worth it. Is the fooball better after VAR? Hell no.
The problem isn't with VAR. VAR does what it's supposed to do, which is pick up on incidents. The issue is, the people interpreting these incidents are the same terrible referees that were making bad calls on the field before. The only difference now is that these same referees are making these same bad calls via a screen.

We need better referees. Things will continue to be an issue until that happens.
 

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Everton goalkeeper Jordan Pickford will not face retrospective action over his challenge on Virgil van Dijk in Saturday's Merseyside derby.

The FA determined the incident was seen at the time having consulted with the match officials, including VAR.



As expected.
What refree did on the pitch wasn't sensible. This decision is.
 

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Exaggeration or not, it’s clear that the pathetic decisions are sucking the enjoyment out of the game.
We had a penalty retaken at OT after two ridiculous decisions.
We had a sending off that could have been avoided because everyone could see the theatrics.
We’ve had a clear sending off and a perfectly good goal disallowed in the Merseyside Derby.
If neutrals can't put aside club bias and see that there is a major problem then you are complicit in the problem
 

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I'm not sure which posts are sarcastic ones and which are serious.
 

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That’s football!
 

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I'm not sure which posts are sarcastic ones and which are serious.
It really is difficult with Liverpool fans. Their baseline is so ridiculous and on the edge of sanity you really can't tell when they're being serious or not.
 

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Ah, I forgot how incompetent the FA can be.
Of course, they can not do anything about it :lol:
 

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The problem isn't with VAR. VAR does what it's supposed to do, which is pick up on incidents. The issue is, the people interpreting these incidents are the same terrible referees that were making bad calls on the field before. The only difference now is that these same referees are making these same bad calls via a screen.

We need better referees. Things will continue to be an issue until that happens.
If you mean there's no problem with the technical aspect of VAR then I accept that. But I disagree that interpretations are left to incompetent refs and that this is the whole issue. The main issue for me is that refs are now delegating responsibility to the VAR panel. They now take the liberty to wait and see if the panel decides to look at something he should have ruled on in the first place. So you get more and more VAR involvement slowing the game down. The main argument with VAR is it should eradicate wrongful decisions leading to goals or serious foul play and it sure doesn't do that. Of course there is a problem with VAR.
 

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The situation is so weird. I remember when Son broke Gomes’ leg the media and fans were feeling more sad for Son than for Gomes and this is the complete opposite. You’d think Pickford had chopped VVDs leg off and then spat on him afterwards for a shit challenge with no intent to injure. Clumsy as heck but the outcry is way over the top.
 

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Exaggeration or not, it’s clear that the pathetic decisions are sucking the enjoyment out of the game.
We had a penalty retaken at OT after two ridiculous decisions.
We had a sending off that could have been avoided because everyone could see the theatrics.
We’ve had a clear sending off and a perfectly good goal disallowed in the Merseyside Derby.
If neutrals can't put aside club bias and see that there is a major problem then you are complicit in the problem
Pathetic decisions have always happened. Have you forgot the outrage after Nani's red, Atkinson always screwing us over against Chelsea or the Porto offside? While Var has some issues, there were even more before and it's also contributing to correcting many decisions which doesn't suit the narrative. Then again, football fans always need a scapegoat that is the source of all issues and the game will be perfectly beautiful once it is removed.

I like VAR. I think it does a lot of good and as adults we should appreciate that any change comes with teething problems. That doesn't mean we don't need better implementation and especially work on the human on grou d implementation is an area that should be looked at and reworked. But the need for football to stick to the dark ages when every other sport is moving to as error free officiating as possible, is strange.
 

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All these calls for Pickford to be banned for as long as VVD is out for.. imagine it happened to a defender like Basham instead nobody comes out with this nonsense
 

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The situation is so weird. I remember when Son broke Gomes’ leg the media and fans were feeling more sad for Son than for Gomes and this is the complete opposite. You’d think Pickford had chopped VVDs leg off and then spat on him afterwards for a shit challenge with no intent to injure. Clumsy as heck but the outcry is way over the top.
It's because it's Liverpool involved. Their fans are crazy and football media seems to lose any semblance of sense when they're involved.
 

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The situation is so weird. I remember when Son broke Gomes’ leg the media and fans were feeling more sad for Son than for Gomes and this is the complete opposite. You’d think Pickford had chopped VVDs leg off and then spat on him afterwards for a shit challenge with no intent to injure. Clumsy as heck but the outcry is way over the top.
Its madness and really annoys me. Last season, city lost both laporte and sane to long term injuries yet not a peep from the media. Someone in this thread already mentioned the Son and gomes incident where there was more sympathy for Son who broke gomes ankle.
 

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It's a horrific and naive tackle, but only worth a red, not some elongated ban.

Its a contact sport, and unfortunately, some people do get hurt.
It's not like it was done purposefully either.
 

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Pathetic decisions have always happened. Have you forgot the outrage after Nani's red, Atkinson always screwing us over against Chelsea or the Porto offside? While Var has some issues, there were even more before and it's also contributing to correcting many decisions which doesn't suit the narrative. Then again, football fans always need a scapegoat that is the source of all issues and the game will be perfectly beautiful once it is removed.

I like VAR. I think it does a lot of good and as adults we should appreciate that any change comes with teething problems. That doesn't mean we don't need better implementation and especially work on the human on grou d implementation is an area that should be looked at and reworked. But the need for football to stick to the dark ages when every other sport is moving to as error free officiating as possible, is strange.
Don’t agree with all you’ve said.

I’m happy to embrace new tech including VAR if it’s actually fit for purpose.You now have 6 refs sitting in a studio who can’t pick up blatant fouls, diving to get players sent off or quite absurd off side and penalty rulings. They are becoming slaves to technology rather than using it as a tool to make sensible decisions.

The incidents you highlighted came down to human error or if you wish to believe in conspiracy theories; corruption. If VAR is there to eliminate doubt it’s not done that in the slightest, it’s created more doubt.
To make it work further then greater clarification or a change in rules is needed.
 

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The situation is so weird. I remember when Son broke Gomes’ leg the media and fans were feeling more sad for Son than for Gomes and this is the complete opposite. You’d think Pickford had chopped VVDs leg off and then spat on him afterwards for a shit challenge with no intent to injure. Clumsy as heck but the outcry is way over the top.
What's weird about that?

Situation A: Slide tackle on the ground while the fouled player is running. Fouled player trips and falls very unlucky and injures himself badly. Fouling player is devastated by the result and almost in tears. Further review of the situation shows that it's not a red worthy foul.

Situation B: Frontal flying tackle on knee height while the fouled player is standing so the only way out would be jumping in the air, taking the hit. Fouled player doesn't react that quickly and injures himself badly. Fouled player gets away with it because of the offside rule and a mind blowing decision by the VAR that this foul wasn't a red card, followed by another mind blowing decision that a legit goal was offside.

Don't see how those two situations are comparable by any means.
 

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The situation is so weird. I remember when Son broke Gomes’ leg the media and fans were feeling more sad for Son than for Gomes and this is the complete opposite. You’d think Pickford had chopped VVDs leg off and then spat on him afterwards for a shit challenge with no intent to injure. Clumsy as heck but the outcry is way over the top.
It’s unreal, I’ve never seen anything like it before.
You would think it’s the first ligament injury ever suffered from a bad tackle. Calls for ten game bans, arrest for assault etc.
I’m expecting t shirts and minute applauses for Van Dijk for the next Liverpool game.