If Pogba didn't get injured then I'd agree. Given the circumstances(half a season with Lingard and Pereira as our creators), I think he did better than expected.
How is being happy that OGS, the Manchester United manager tactically outclassed last years finalist manager, provocative towards Manchester united fans?
Regarding Pogba it was evident that we needed an MC to act as his cover/competitor. Unfortunately we blew 130m on a defence which still need improving as the CB we got for 80m need someone to do the thinking and the running for him. It didn't help that we played him against Rochdale which lead to him returning to the treatment room.
Ole gave the thumb for all 5 signings, it's silly to think anything else. However, he asked to be done swiftly, and not wait until the end.
I think the transfer market is getting tougher every year as more clubs are spreading their scouting net across the world and more players are hiring these so called super agents whose got far more contacts then anyone in football really. I am particularly concerned about the rise of the so called elite selling clubs ie clubs like Dortmund, Juventus and Spurs who are more then willing to sign players on a realistic minimum release clause solely to make a clean profit later on. That tend to hurt clubs like ours who (rightly so) refuse such terms.
You haven't done that though. You implied that every fan who has doubts about Ole as a manager isn't a proper fan. Went even further saying that you want them out of "your" club. How would you call that other then being provocative.
I love the positivity regarding the signings. I don't see it myself and I've been accused of being too optimistic for anything United related.
United had conceded less goals last season then the season before. However the season 2018-2019 was a circus for us, with Mou losing the dressing room and Ole taking over mid term. Returning to subject we had conceded less goals in the 2 seasons prior to that then last season.
Nothing can be taken for granted. Actually this stance is why United are in such mess and its also the reason why we didn't turn the treble side into an unstoppable force that could win 1-2 more CL. Speaking of not being backed, fans should have a look at the horrible transfer window we had just after the treble. I will never forgive that
I mean, some things can be taken for granted. Even if we're not great yet, we shouldn't be midtable(or lower). No United manager would survive that, unless they had won multiple big trophies recently.
Ole should be sacked if we don't get top 4. There's very little seperating the quality of players Tottenham Chelsea and us have. So ultimately whoever gets top 4 amomg these three would be as a result of a performing manager
This is simple really, he doesnt have to navigate anything, results will speak for him, if he does badly he will rightfully get sacked and if he does well he will rightfully stay. Is is THAT simple no matter if one is 'in'' or 'out'
It's not wise to set such a binary demand. What if Bruno, Pogba and Martial all suffer long-term injuries and we miss out on top 4 because of goal difference? What if we do well in the CL?
You can be sure that if Ole does not approve of the signing the scouts will get ignored. Why? Because we have a direction and he’s providing it. You should be glad we have a manager who is willing to build a squad for the club.
Sorry but this is a too easy way of looking at things. No team will reach 95-97 points this season - we could theoretically have a situation where 5-6 teams reach 70 points, but no team gets past 90. So if we end 5th with 73 points - should he be fired then ? But if we end 6th with 60 points for instance - where we go backwards both in points and position - he will be in problems.
If we get 5th with 73 points who gets 4th with the higher points tally? Everton? Arsenal? Tottenham? All these teams we should be ahead of
"He gave the thumbs up for 2 ordinary defenders on a ridiculous 130m fee"...in no way reads that you were referring to tackles. It reads that you think two defenders are ordinary and a waste of money.
If we are looking at context then yes there a few things that we should consider if we don't get top 4 like what you just said now. Good run in the CL and a cup trophy also shouldn't get him the sack. But I think these are things that we should consider when they've happened or when weve gone far in the season not when the season is just starting. The conversation of not getting top 4 shouldn't be happening so early in the season as it just looks like people are readying excuses for him if we don't get it
You could also argue the opposite here. Setting a hard, binary demand that can be used as debate-winning argument in May already now, is cheap. Context is everything.
Agree. Agents have growing power and considering how players (and their families) increasingly choose to engage with them. Because they bring more to players, they can ask for more. As we've seen with the case of Raiola and Dortmund, that ends up eating from the clubs' pieces of the pie.
I wouldn't group Dortmund and Juventus on the same level. I see Dortmund and Spurs as a link in the distrubution chain of football talent while Juventus have a different strategy towards player recruitment (occasional superstar purchases, complemented by free transfers and young talent hoarding). As for the former (Dortmund and Spurs) I kind of appreciate their position in the ecosystem. If a player has no release clause, their price is fluid. Because of these clubs' strategy though, they introduce a set price on assets. This may or it may not help an interested club but at least it sets expectations and can aid planning.
I think people need to realize that Ed Woodward is our de facto DOF. His title might be different, he might not have the football experience as most of the popular DOFs but that's reality. And we can only hope he is learning his lessons, expanding his network and getting better.
Continuing from my previous point, Woodward is showing signs of improvement. We have waited until the end of the window to do our business because we wanted to exploit desperation (which didn't really set in with the exception of Telles and to a lesser extent Cavani in his personal terms) and avoid paying wages for a few weeks.
Nothing can be taken for granted. Actually this stance is why United are in such mess and its also the reason why we didn't turn the treble side into an unstoppable force that could win 1-2 more CL. Speaking of not being backed, fans should have a look at the horrible transfer window we had just after the treble. I will never forgive the club for stripping that splendid side from the possibility of seriously defending their CL title.
Tackles = AWB
Really the main purpose is to enjoy a terrific performance by our manager. Whichever posts are attacking another poster should be reported to the mod as they are against the forum rules. And do consider if its this thread or the actual performance that is hurting you really.
No idea what you are on about. Do you think that we wasted money on two defenders or not? If so, do you mean Maguire and AWB? What is your reasoning?
I think spending 130m on Maguire and AWB is stupid. None of them are remotely WC and Maguire is exactly the CB type we didn't need
The only thing that is a bit hurting is a lack of reading comprehension from certain people at this point. Am golden otherwise.
AWB is 22, we paid the money because of his defensive ability and his potential. There are not that many 21 year olds (age when we signed him) who are world class, and if they are they are £100m plus.
I can't think of any FBs who are worth 100m + tbh. But there's more to the fee
I would rather not be able to comprehend things than try to find hidden main purposes of threads on an internet forum!
great choice thereI think Judge/Woodward are still clueless which explain WHY our POF now rotate solely around negotiating deals. What I think is happening is a steady restructuring on who call the shots which is shifting away from our traditional 'Manager know best' strategy and is now bringing in new players on board such as scouts, the academy (Nicky Butt?) and Phelan. The advantage of that is that we might sign players that are off the manager's radar. The disadvantage of that is that the manager might miss out his main targets, which would lead to his best mates bitching about it in the media. That happens everywhere and is not exclusive to Ole.
Ole must have known that Bailly and Tuanzebe were injury prone. So he had 80m in the banks and 2 'reliable' CBs in Lindelof and Smalling. Its evident that he didn't trust Smalling which is quite strange considering that Hodor was rapid and he was suited more for the English game (tall, strong, physical etc). So he needed to find a partner for Lindelof. Honestly I've yet to understand what Lindelof is good at but he's certainly not fast. Which makes us spending 80m on Maguire is crazy. In my opinion he should have gone for someone like Konate. He's got Maguire's characteristics (tall, good in air) + he's got pace.
Because the same people shouting it from the rooftops didn't want to hear it when he was tactically outclassed by Brighton (even though we won), Palace and Spurs (6-1 loss to a defensive manager), plus a load last season too. It's just going round in circles and will do forever more.
4 losses in last 32 games
Ah okay, thanks for that clarification. I guess the fact that we had the third best defensive record (one behind City) with 18 goals fewer versus the season before would lead me to disagree with you.
This is factually not true the past 8 months.
This is the problem with our fan base, masters of hindsight. So Ole should have known that Tuanzebe is injury prone? When the season before he played 25 championship games?
