2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Just can’t see M-D going red this election, whatever Latino gains Plump gets down there should be offset by seniors. As is usual in Florida, it might boil down to the uneducated white male thumpers again.
It’s not about it going red, it’s about the margin the D wins it with. 30 pts is what you need it to be, 25 is near danger zone and anything even approaching 20 then the GOP will be ecstatic.

Just for reference, Clinton got about 670k votes margin out of M-D, Broward and Palm Beach in 2016, she lost statewide by 113k.
 

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If I had to put money on it, I’d back both. I’d say both Gideon and Kelly are favoured at this point, so that’s your 4. (+1 probably in GA) need 1 or 2 more for a real progressive agenda to offset dinos like manchin. (You’re from AZ aye? Have you ever had a senator less popular than Mcsally?)

(point was, they are favoured but he could be more useful in NC than GA right now. Ga isn’t even gonna be a tipping point)
You forgot Gardner so Dems get to 52 with AZ, CO, ME, NC, IA, and 1 from GA. I think getting 51+ would be a great achievement, we shall see what happens.

McSally is extremely unpopular as she has followed the Trump bandwagon off the cliff and lied about pre-existing conditions. She might be the first person to lose both U.S. Senate seats for a party in the span of 2 years. As far as AZ senators go, we haven't had much turnover in that department for many years up until the last couple so I guess McSally takes the cake.
 

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It’s not about it going red, it’s about the margin the D wins it with. 30 pts is what you need it to be, 25 is near danger zone and anything even approaching 20 then the GOP will be ecstatic.

Just for reference, Clinton got about 670k votes margin out of M-D, Broward and Palm Beach in 2016, she lost statewide by 113k.
I get what you are saying. Banking needs to occur in SE Florida.
 

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Filled out my ballot today. Kinell, that took some time. So many other races and propositions. I’d say it took a full hour or more to bone up on all it. 3 pages full.
 

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this is beautiful. everything about class and race in politics (and also the uselessness of quantitative ideology scores) that have been increasingly clear since 2016, in 2 minutes.

 

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Filled out my ballot today. Kinell, that took some time. So many other races and propositions. I’d say it took a full hour or more to bone up on all it. 3 pages full.
Is the CA land tax changes one of those? I just fully read up on it and now know why one of my son's friend's dad hates the changes.
 

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this is beautiful. everything about class and race in politics (and also the uselessness of quantitative ideology scores) that have been increasingly clear since 2016, in 2 minutes.

Wait, so the VP didn't walk into the gotcha question - setup by a Mike Pence reference no less - in a televised interview, the week before the election?

What a useless bunch the left are. She should have doubled down and just whipped off her shirt to show an antifa 4evA one underneath.
 

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Wait, so the VP didn't walk into the gotcha question - setup by a Mike Pence reference no less - in a televised interview, the week before the election?

What a useless bunch the left are. She should have doubled down and just whipped off her shirt to show an antifa 4evA one underneath.
Who do you refer as the left here? I hope you don't mean Kamala.
 

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Trafalgar polling is so fecking bullshit that even Nate has to call it out now.

Trump winning 30% of the Michigan Democrats
Biden winning 25% of Michigan Republicans
Trump winning 28% of the Black vote.
 

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That statement alone should be enough to remove any credibility from that org.
Nate's verbal battering caused them to kill the link to the data. Surely they've got to be dropped from the model now? There are outlier polls, then there is just fake nonsense like this lot.
 

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I just don't get the 'purpose' of these biased polls. The model appears to be 'tell the opposite story of reality', because, erm, both sides? But that's like being a thermometer that doesn't tell the right temperature - not worth existing.
 

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If that's legit what would the election day voting look like? I presume it will favor the angry whites Republicans.
It would be the opposite of what you're seeing with heavy Dem turnout in early voting - heavy R turnout on election day, which would probably result in the perception that Trump is outperforming on election night since the early ballots would not all get counted until a day or two after the election.
 

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It would be the opposite of what you're seeing with heavy Dem turnout in early voting - heavy R turnout on election day, which would probably result in the perception that Trump is outperforming on election night since the early ballots would not all get counted until a day or two after the election.
Why would early ballots (not mail votes) get counted later ?
 

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Is the CA land tax changes one of those? I just fully read up on it and now know why one of my son's friend's dad hates the changes.
Yes, that’s one of the 12 “propositions” on the ballot.
That’s quite controversial, not unlike a lot of them.
Ballotopedia is a good source of info on all of them and I use that and other info, to see who’s backing the various ones.
Your sons friends dad may have commercial property he’s trying to protect from higher taxes, or he may be concerned that if this passes that a residential property tax change won’t be far behind.
 

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I just don't get the 'purpose' of these biased polls. The model appears to be 'tell the opposite story of reality', because, erm, both sides? But that's like being a thermometer that doesn't tell the right temperature - not worth existing.
Thing is, thermometers have no impact on the actual temperature; election polls, on the other hand, can have an impact on the elections themselves. They can energise or depress voters, lull them into a sense of security, and so on. Admittedly, this close to the election it all seems rather pointless, with tens of millions of people having already voted. And it's hard to see in any case what a poll firmly entrenched in the realm of fantasy could achieve anyway but in theory, polls can have an influence.
 

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How is the increase in early/mail ballots going to impact the calling of states on election night?

Are we going to end up having to wait a few days to actually find anything out?
 

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How is the increase in early/mail ballots going to impact the calling of states on election night?

Are we going to end up having to wait a few days to actually find anything out?
From all accounts, yes. Unless Biden wins in a landslide, we won't know who won the election only after a few days (at best), or few weeks if it reaches supreme court.
 

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Wait, so the VP didn't walk into the gotcha question - setup by a Mike Pence reference no less - in a televised interview, the week before the election?
i thought she gave a very good and revealing answer in response to specific policy questions. these weren't even setup as tough questions- for example do you think M4A could help in a pandemic with mass unemployment, do you think biden was wrong to say people can keep the health insurance of their choice, etc. it was a pretty direct question about her co-signing bills in 2018, pulling back from them publicly in 2019, and forgetting they exit in 2020. politics, in other words.

i thought she did give a straight answer ("no"), i thought it was even better when she said she isn't progressive, and finally i thought it was very revealing when she said her job as VP is to talk about personal experiences not policy. i didn't expect her to say yes, since neither she nor biden have ever supported those policies. but she said a lot more and was far morre honest than i expected, which is why i called the 2 minutes beautiful.
 

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I've now got worrying visions of Trump just scraping through with a win on election night, calling it an unequivocal success, and then turning all fascist and preventing the mail in ballots from being counted.

Possibly followed by some sort of infectious killer bee outbreak or something.
 

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I've now got worrying visions of Trump just scraping through with a win on election night, calling it an unequivocal success, and then turning all fascist and preventing the mail in ballots from being counted.

Possibly followed by some sort of infectious killer bee outbreak or something.
We had murder hornets earlier this year.

But yeah your scenario is pretty much his plan as far as anyone can tell.
 

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I'm watching Sky News live from Allentown, PA, where Trump is due to talk to a large crowd, and they are currently playing 'Everybody Hurts' by REM over the tannoy.
 

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I'm watching Sky News live from Allentown, PA, where Trump is due to talk to a large crowd, and they are currently playing 'Everybody Hurts' by REM over the tannoy.
Stipe has already asked him to stop using his tracks, but I guess Trump doesn't care at this late stage. Plus they apparently had a run in at a club in the late 90s where Stipe told him to shut up, so all the more reason for Trump to ignore him now.
 

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Been wanting to do a little write up for a few days about a point I made some time ago; I may suck a bit at explaining myself, but here we go. I'll probably do it in 2 posts, 1 for each state.

We're going to analyse just 2 states, Florida and NC. Why these? Because a) they matter b) they have good pollster data we can grab.

We'll start with NC.

The 7 largest counties have between a 44-52% average turnout so far. Of total registered voters. All voted blue in 2016. 1.3 million voters (this time). Around 1.85 total in 2016. We'll call this set 1

The next 6 largest counties have a minimum turnout of around 43%, a maximum of 50%. Again of total registered voters. All voted red in 2016. 400k voters this time around. 570k total voters in 2016. We'll call this set 2

We'll add some granularity soon, but those are the headlines.

Let's take a look at some good polling: The 3 I have selected are Siena/NYT, Monmouth, and ABC/Wash Post

First we shall challenge our pollsters on turnout:


A common question asked (may vary in wording, this wording stolen from Siena/NYT) Regardless of whether you intend to vote in the November general election, would you vote in person on Election Day, vote in person before Election Day, or vote by mail?

We will amalgamate 'vote by mail' and 'early voting' for ease of reading: [may not add up to 100% as I'll disregard undecideds. Note that the majority in NC don't vote by mail, but early.

Siena/NYT: On the day, 40%. Early: 57%
Monmouth: On the day: 33%. Early: 64%
ABC/Wash Post: On the day: 29%. Early 66%

Certainly Trumps aggressive campaign against mail voting has worked. 50% of voters in NC will vote in person, but early.

Let's now plug our numbers into the initial numbers. We expect around 2/3rds to vote early, and that is exactly how it is. There is however a perception that 'Democrats vote early, independents and GOP vote on the day.' But hold on, we're still a week until election day. This indicates a huge turnout increase. We have had 10 days of early voting. 6 remain.

So we must discuss turnout trend. Thankfully NC have an excellent interactive that shows this. You can see them here: https://www.ncsbe.gov/results-data/election-results/voter-turnout-statistics

Nobody has a crystal ball, but you'd expect this to translate to 1 million extra early voters statewide, minimum. Consider the total NC turnout was 4.7M in 2016, and we're going to have a minimum of 4.2M early voters in 2020, you can see Trump is quite fecked. (Unless these are the mystical shy trump voters). If we trust the polls (that 1/3rd will vote on election day), this would give us a total turnout of 6.3M, a 1.6 million voter gain on 2016. That's insane.

So lets break it down further. But first we'll slightly modify set 2 to discount New Hanover county. The reason for this is it's an outlier in the amount of support trump has there, relative to the other 5. So now our set 2 consists of 5 counties, which trump carried with between 57-67% of the vote in 2016. 340k have voted, with an average turnout of 44% (so far). 460k voted in 2016. 295k for trump. *165k for clinton

We'll make the assumption, that some of the extra 25% turnout will be in these set2 counties. Perhaps not as much as they are red, so we'll calculate a conservative 15% turnout increase in total.

That means, for these counties :530k will vote. Some 400k of these will vote early. (more based on our early voting data, less based on pollsters proportions) 40% are dems. 30% are republicans 30% are independents. These numbers are statewide and not county specific, but they would translate to a 280k early vote for Biden, 120k for Biden. More than trump got in total last time. It also means that the 1/3rd who vote on the day (lets be kind and say of the 180k instead of 130k vote on the day, Trump would need to carry almost every vote. You can clearly see, even if these numbers skew by 20%, Trump is pretty fecking screwed.

So in summary to this ramble:

- I think polls are misreading turnout and the young demographic especially.
- Biden is doing good in NC.
- Trumps attempts to mess with the USPS have backfired. (except for when I order stuff which then takes 2 months to arrive. It's definitely worked at messing that up)
[-Tillis is fecked]
- This post was gonna cover demographics too, but it became too long.
 

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It's funny; were I a normal president I'd be smashing into a narrative of 'Antisemitism in the democratic party' right now.

Of course as Trump, half my support is white supremacists so that doesn't even work.
 

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I am not following the US politics that much lately. Who is the favourite to win and by how much? Thanks
 

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Unequivocally yes. Unless this is a historic landslide the result will be days away at least, and maybe even then.
And then the period of time between when the results come in and when Biden is inaugurated should he win. To me that period of time has the potential to be the most insanely bizarre period of time in modern American history.
 

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I am not following the US politics that much lately. Who is the favourite to win and by how much? Thanks
Biden for the popular vote and a closely fought battle for the electorate that I believe Biden will win. Then a soap opera of an exit by Trump.
 
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