Glazers probably saved a few quid by having Phelan put a cone on every other seat.
Old Trafford modified to hold 23,500 spectators
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
This is good news. It's a large stadium and people can use masks if they want to.
in the past 10 days or so theyve greenlighted PPV, tried to take over English football and rally for people back in stadiums, all during a pandemic. I would joke this belongs in the Donald Trump thread, but then realise the Glazers are actually Trump supporters anyway
Why?
I remember when Old Trafford used to hold 75,000
Glazers out!
Glazers out!
Old trafford atmosphere is pretty bad bar big games with no away fans it will be non existant.
And how long to distribute the vaccine? There will be no mass crowds back until Spring/Summer 2022 at the earliest, assuming ridiculously optimistic levels of efficacy regarding vaccine.
Bang on.
As an aside, say they were allowed to have supporters in the stadium. 23,000 is just under a third full so would they be looking to have any home games shown on PPV reduced from £15 to around £10. . .
Football & this club are absolutely tone deaf to what most people care about at this point, how can they be encouraging a mass gathering no matter how controlled they believe it’d be.
So say you have a row of 20 people, that now becomes 6 or 7. What happens if the two/three in the middle of the row want to get out?
And a few rows want to leave at the same time?
It's a non starter, unless you literally fill and empty the ground 1 row by 1 and rely on football fans having huge patience.
Let alone public transport, toilets, food/drink etc.
Agreed. It's a huge stadium and pretty sure they've got a good plan to keep all that distance stuff organised. I mean we go to work, go out to eat (with restrictions but still). We're also outdoors. Honestly, what's the problem? Can't live in fear.
Is it possible to literally remove seats, to allow people to better traverse the stands without passing others?
Yeah that's I am thinking, they must have ripped out a load of seats to create a one system.
Still have no intention of renewing or going to a game at the moment though, doubt sitting in a half empty stand with no one around you will appeal to many.
Can't see that making much financial sense.
I'd have thought it's more likely you'd have seating staggered so over 3 rows you don't have anyone sitting directly in front or behind anyone, and all spaced out.
Condescending much? “Conspiracy theories”, a term which has been used for decades to automatically discredit anyone that questions the mainstream narrative. It’s lazy! Of course, the government’s advice throughout this has been impeccable hasn’t it (along with their conduct)? Your view is based on that advice and therefore it’s not, in my opinion, as clear cut as you are suggesting.
We’re all entitled to our view of course (I hope) but I respectfully disagree with yours. There should be freedom to live our lives and make our own choices providing it can be done without endangering the weak and vulnerable. Anyway, you wouldn’t have to attend OT...you’re welcome to continue watching from home with your mask on for safety sake...
No, masks primarily stop transmission from people who are carrying the infection. There's no "want to" - you wear a mask to protect others.
Which can't be done with people like you aroind.
I spoke quite generally there and did not say anything about you directly.
And by the way, most people actually separate their views of the government policies and their views on the science. But now that you've made your position clear, can you point me to any evidence which shows that we are not in (or approaching) a second wave?
Ya even though the main problem is most people that have it don’t show symptoms
Not directed at you specifically but the term conspiracy theory gets my back up because I think it’s a lazy way to put a pin in an argument. I can’t speak for what most people do with regards to government policies or the science either. I’m just interested in free speech and hearing all sides of an argument which social media and governments don’t seem to want for some reason, which is disappointing.
I think that you and I could spend hours going backwards and forwards on the situation but this isn’t the thread for it and I’m not in the business of desperately forcing my views on others either. There are a huge number of scientists and doctors and nurses coming out and speaking their truths though and there is a lot that can be taken from all of it for those that want to open their mind and listen. My suggestion is that you do your own research with an open mind and if you find yourself back in the same position that you started in, fair enough.
I still think we need fans back at OT sooner rather than later though. Regardless of the greedy Glazers, haven’t enough people lost their jobs and livelihoods, haven’t enough businesses gone to the wall that we can’t find a compromise position?
I'm all for letting fans back into the stadiums. I myself attended two matches in September with 10,000 other fans at 1/3 stadium capacity. Only club members were allowed to purchase tickets but they could buy up to 10 tickets total and these 10 people would then sit together forming a so called "infection group". Ideally these would be family members and close friends but in theory it could have been anyone. That number could obviously be adjusted depending on the current situation. I think in reality the average number of tickets purchased by one person was only around 2.5. Every spectator had to wear a mask from the moment they entered the stadium until leaving it with the stadium announcer reminding us they can only be taken off for sipping on your beer.
Sadly this is a thing of the past as well now in Germany as per our new regulations from yesterday all matches will have to be played behind closed doors again in November. But a point is that it was a concept that worked. The chance of getting infected outdoors are minimal and ZERO new infections could be traced back to football matches. In the last two weeks the number of fans was limited to 999 but instead of spreading them out across the whole stadium, they'd be sitting together in the same section which tells me it's more setting arbitrary limits than pursuing a well thought-out strategy.
As it was back in May, it appears to be more of a social decision (how can we open stadiums when xyz is shut) but I've never subscribed to that view. If it is safe allow it, if not then not.
Sadly this is a thing of the past as well now in Germany as per our new regulations from yesterday all matches will have to be played behind closed doors again in November. But a point is that it was a concept that worked. The chance of getting infected outdoors are minimal and ZERO new infections could be traced back to football matches. In the last two weeks the number of fans was limited to 999 but instead of spreading them out across the whole stadium, they'd be sitting together in the same section which tells me it's more setting arbitrary limits than pursuing a well thought-out strategy.
As it was back in May, it appears to be more of a social decision (how can we open stadiums when xyz is shut) but I've never subscribed to that view. If it is safe allow it, if not then not.
A lot of our “big” away games are after Xmas so I’d prefer an empty stadium until next season please.
What have I done to endanger the weak and vulnerable pray tell? You’ve absolutely no idea what kind of “people” I am so perhaps wind your neck in before having a sly dig..why did you even bother posting that...?
There is a lot of common sense in this post. I like the cut of your jib sir/madam!
Are they planning to extend half time to 630 minutes so those 23,000 people can all go for a piss and buy a beer while socially distanced or do they only care about it looking socially distanced on the cameras and then whatever they do in the rest of the stadium/outside the stadium/on public transport isn't an issue?
It’s almost like the owners lining their pockets by stripping the club from
top to bottom was a bad long term strategy which has now blown up in their face and they are left to come up with daft proposals that defy common sense.
top to bottom was a bad long term strategy which has now blown up in their face and they are left to come up with daft proposals that defy common sense.
How was the general experience though? I just can't get excited about sitting in a half empty stadium meters apart from people with close to no atmosphere.
Agree about the safety aspect inside the ground, there's a higher chance of me catching it at work at the moment !
The point as op has missed is that the government themselves suggested the October 1 deadline, which passed without discussion, then seemed to pass on demands to the F.A. for us to financially assist the EFL while doing so - without giving any indication as to under what conditions they might allow fans back in the grounds.
The point is also made regards allowing people to eat, work and shop indoors etc while not going to watch a team at an outdoor venue.
Yes the risks are obvious to anyone with a brain but you'd at least expect some promises of tax breaks / assistance to clubs like ours who are presumably haemorrhaging money. You can say 'well football is non essential' and you would be right but I guarantee you the Tory's are allowing theatres and suchlike places to open as that's the way they work. This whole business feels like a tremendous punishment for the working class and for working class hobbies while anyone above that gets to 'work from home' and carry on eating at restaurants and going to theatres etc.
The point is also made regards allowing people to eat, work and shop indoors etc while not going to watch a team at an outdoor venue.
Yes the risks are obvious to anyone with a brain but you'd at least expect some promises of tax breaks / assistance to clubs like ours who are presumably haemorrhaging money. You can say 'well football is non essential' and you would be right but I guarantee you the Tory's are allowing theatres and suchlike places to open as that's the way they work. This whole business feels like a tremendous punishment for the working class and for working class hobbies while anyone above that gets to 'work from home' and carry on eating at restaurants and going to theatres etc.
Some good points well made here. There are obvious risks of course so you’d like to think there would be a robust risk mitigation program in place but as you highlight, the double standards applied by the government are there to be seen and demonstrate how poorly handled the situation has been.
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Seems the league itself has no plans for fans to be back until 2021 at the earliest, not surprised as it's always been the most prudent option
Operation Etihad is when you put 235 people in a stadium. Not 23500.
Talk of 23,500 in a ground just looks silly now doesn't it! Just a few days on!
Yes and which 23,500 get in anyway?
Season ticket holders *(who have already paid), lottery for each section of the ground again Season tickets?
No one over 70 allowed (vulnerable , so that's me fecked!)
Which car parks to be used?
"What are pinch points? East stand, (Railway bridge South/East- West stand (Canal bridge North/West)
Arrive in shifts, depart in shifts (like they do for Away fans now)
Row by row allowed to refreshments/toilets?
Game of four quarters now? (each 'half' split by water breaks)
Wear masks at all times, sanitise every quarter of an hour,
Suppose it is possible, ....."but not like we know it Jim" (nod to Star trek fans), but is it safe ,or desirable, does it send wrong message.... and how many would risk it anyway?