Where do we think Dortmund and Leipzig would finish in the Premier League?
I think top 6/8.
I think top 6/8.
German football is turd
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Careful the Bundesliga defence brigade will be out in for- oh wait, I'm too late.
There also seems to be a weird fascination with German fans backing up and defending even their fiercest rivals. I wonder whether it's a cyber form of Stockholm Syndrome.
There also seems to be a weird fascination with German fans backing up and defending even their fiercest rivals. I wonder whether it's a cyber form of Stockholm Syndrome.
Even Eredivisie is better! I'd like to see Bayern play RKC away on a windy Friday evening.
It’s stupid to use champions league spots as something that determines how good a league are. I dare you to catch some Bundesliga fixture this Saturday. It’s so dire. A lot of the teams are well drilled but the playing quality. Stuttgart is supposed to be this and that team, but I catched their game against Cologne last weekend. ffs professional not able to to control a ball. It’s was like seeing 22 well coached Daniel James playing some football.And then there’s that thing with defending in a lower block... non existent, and the reason why there are so many players in Bundesliga that struggles outside Germany yet looks like prime Peles in Bundesliga.
There is a terrible joke in there but we've probably moved past the Fawlty Towers type of humor these days.
VVV would give them a game.
The knee jerking in this place! 
we could get relegated!
we are managed by a PE teacher who doesn’t have a clue
Tactical masterclass from said PE teacher.
we are going to win the league
Burst Rashfords bubble after a bad game
Rashford is one the best young players in the world after a good game.
German football is terrible but still has some of the best young coaches and most covered prospects in the game all while operating on a fraction of the spend of a club like united.
German teams semi finalists and winners of the last CL
Bayern are the best team ever and their transfer business is amazing. They are a really run club
german football is turd apart from Bayern.
RBL are shrewd operators with a great young manager and they could easily destroy us at old Trafford
worst and most overrated team we’ve played in ages
Sancho all of a sudden isn’t worth near the money quoted after being the only signing that would save us the month before. His numbers are now distorted because of the terrible standard of the league he plays in.... until his next great run of form.
You can’t have it every which way!
we could get relegated!
we are managed by a PE teacher who doesn’t have a clue
Tactical masterclass from said PE teacher.
we are going to win the league
Burst Rashfords bubble after a bad game
Rashford is one the best young players in the world after a good game.
German football is terrible but still has some of the best young coaches and most covered prospects in the game all while operating on a fraction of the spend of a club like united.
German teams semi finalists and winners of the last CL
Bayern are the best team ever and their transfer business is amazing. They are a really run club
german football is turd apart from Bayern.
RBL are shrewd operators with a great young manager and they could easily destroy us at old Trafford
worst and most overrated team we’ve played in ages
Sancho all of a sudden isn’t worth near the money quoted after being the only signing that would save us the month before. His numbers are now distorted because of the terrible standard of the league he plays in.... until his next great run of form.
You can’t have it every which way!
That would be a bit like playing against a Sunday pub team based on these attendance figures: https://www.transfermarkt.us/rkc-waalwijk/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/235
What makes the French league stronger ? Marseille are 1 defeat away from having the record of 13 defeats in a row in the CL.
I think this is true and I think he was justified in trying it because we struggled against Southampton who basically press like a German side and against Palace earlier on in the season when they pressed us high.
Ole I think anticipated this and got one over Nagelsmann yesterday in several different aspects
- The diamond to start with + a false 9 instead of our regular 4-2-3-1 (Immense workrate from Fred and even Pogba covering their fullbacks). Additional man in midfield + direct balls to Martial / Greenwood made things slightly easier.
- Wasn't overly insistent on passing the ball out like we did against SOU / CPL and lumped it forward quite a bit.
- Subs were absolutely spot on. VdB was good but having Bruno's quickness of thought against a high pressing team is just ruthlessly effective.
I think I can accept that yesterday was a one-off and we won't have the same result if we played again but I think we can still win because we have better individual quality than RBL.
I agree that The quality isn’t the best but then you said the french league was better, after rolling around laughing for awhile I can’t agree with that.
But that is just bs.
Outside of Bayern, Dortmund and Leipzig there are quite a few other quality sides in the Bundesliga. Maybe not in the Chelsea, Arsenal or Tottenham tier, but still good sides.
M'gladbach were just seconds away from deservedly beating both Real and Inter in the CL.
Leverkusen just spanked Nice, a solid French team, 6-2 last week.
Other midtable teams like Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg or Frankfurt can always hurt you, too.
The Bundesliga was in better shape five or ten years ago, but a lot of that has to do with their policy of not selling their souls to sugar-daddys and other traditional clubs (HSV, Schalke, to a lesser degree Bremen) being terribly managed from top to bottom.
Especially the midtable clubs were hurt by not having an investor, since now even midtable clubs from the Prem, who are all financially backed by some kind of sugar-daddy, can offer their best players more money than they can.
Even bayern set up in a naive way, I remember Memphis and his team mates missing so many counter chances despite the fact that Bayern were playing a suicidal high line.
The top 6 English clubs are better than everyone in the Bundesliga bar Bayern. I'd expect all to beat Dortmund/Leipzig/Leverkusen/Wolfsburg and would find it a shock if they ended up losing. The clubs like Leicester, Wolves, Everton, Southampton I would rate below Dortmund and Leipzig but above the rest of the German clubs. Then the rest is much of muchness.
If Bayern, Dortmund and Leipzig played in this years PL, it would probably be something like that:
1st place: Bayern
2nd and 3rd place: fight between City and Liverpool
4rd to 9th place: pretty open fight between us, Dortmund, Leipzig, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham (still think Everton will regress)
They missed two big counter chances early on and then had like one shot on the goal for the rest of the match.
May well be true yes. Not unlikely that Flick will be found out tactically as soon as their attacking form drops a bit.
When they fail is because they haven't had any competition at all so season long.. Can't win
Farmers league mk 2.
Who actually came up with this disrespectful "farmers league" nonsense? Really have to be some kids, who only know football from FIFA and never actually went to a stadium.
Like I've said in another thread: Those guys propably don't even realize that according to their logic Real, Bayern and Barca could rightfully consider the entire PL a "farmers league".
I dount it was actual farmers, that's for sure.
Farmer’s league is stretching it but it is utterly predictable. Imagine United based in England’s richest city with no Glazers, no Abramovich or Abu Dhabi and even no Liverpool, and you’ve got the Bundesliga.
It already is mate.
Rich with titles.
I recall Bundesliga teams having 6 wins 0 draws and 0 losses vs PL teams last season with an overall goal difference of 21-3.
Fulham would beat Schalke.
It was....
That's soooo last season
That’s not right is it? Arsenal beat Frankfurt 3-0 at their place and Frankfurt beat them 2-1 at their place. The other 4 games were Spurs‘s Poch era falling apart. If you look back at recent history by-and-large the English CL sides soundly defeat the German 3rd & 4th placed sides almost always. I still remember Moyes’s United turning over BL 5-1 in their home stadium. Probably the highlight of Moyes’s infamous tenure as United manager.
That said, this is a recent high point for the German League in Europe. They’ve started this season well but the English sides have started even better. Spain, Italy and France less so in that order.
If I were to bet it would be on England topping the coefficients again this season but Bayern are the favourites for the CL. I think it’s possible Germany can top the coefficients for the first time since 1990 too.
edit: Germany have topped the individual year ranking since 1990, just not the five year rankings. Don’t think they can top the 5 year rankings this season.
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I'm still laughing my cock off at Julian Nagelsmann. Like a puffed up, preening peacock. Parading up and down the technical area, chest puffed out like he owned the place. By the 3rd goal, you could barely make out the top of his head hiding behind the brick wall in the away team dug out.
Quality.
Quality.
I think the PL is strongest, but last year only Wolves had a good year in Europe. It is not much between the leagues I think.
We might all be sleeping on the belgian league
Didn't bother to take into account Europa League football. Don't think either English nor German teams have ever really taken that competition serious anyways.
But the bait looked so deliciousGoddamnit you were doing fine for a good 20 minutes
With PL type TV money and a sugar daddy?
Maybe my view is skewed because of where I lived there, but there were always people in the betting shops watching live football and in the bars near me, watching Bayern mostly. I'm sure if they had a big club the interest would climb. If it's anything like the matchday culture in Stuttgart, where we spoke to people that just decided to go spur of the moment on the day because it's actually fun drinking beer and getting rowdy in the standing sections, then I'm sure it'd attract plenty of Berliners who aren't from Berlin too, which is a lot of Berlin.
I’m going to need you to add bullet points to each of the lines above. My OCD did a backflip just reading that postThe knee jerking in this place!
we could get relegated!
we are managed by a PE teacher who doesn’t have a clue
Tactical masterclass from said PE teacher.
we are going to win the league
Burst Rashfords bubble after a bad game
Rashford is one the best young players in the world after a good game.
German football is terrible but still has some of the best young coaches and most covered prospects in the game all while operating on a fraction of the spend of a club like united.
German teams semi finalists and winners of the last CL
Bayern are the best team ever and their transfer business is amazing. They are a really run club
german football is turd apart from Bayern.
RBL are shrewd operators with a great young manager and they could easily destroy us at old Trafford
worst and most overrated team we’ve played in ages
Sancho all of a sudden isn’t worth near the money quoted after being the only signing that would save us the month before. His numbers are now distorted because of the terrible standard of the league he plays in.... until his next great run of form.
You can’t have it every which way!
- See Teja’s beautiful post halfway up. Well done @Teja
- Or you could use the space method of @Classical Mechanic
- Finally, please capitalize the first letter of each line for clear and simple reading
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This Leipzeg result has really gone to the forum's head. I wouldn't be surprised if they beat us in the return leg.
Look. I was Ole out. I thought the run of fixtures we were facing from PSG until Everton would have seen Ole flop big time.
I’m ecstatic 3 matches in I’ve been proved wrong. Leipzig are a team pushing above their weight, they have a manager that sets them up very well. But Leipzig are a team that get beaten by 3-5 by a team of our quality WITH a manager that gets the best out of that team. Credit to Ole for doing that.
Bring on Arsenal. If we batter them 3-4, I look
forward to your “ English Football is Tud”
I’m ecstatic 3 matches in I’ve been proved wrong. Leipzig are a team pushing above their weight, they have a manager that sets them up very well. But Leipzig are a team that get beaten by 3-5 by a team of our quality WITH a manager that gets the best out of that team. Credit to Ole for doing that.
Bring on Arsenal. If we batter them 3-4, I look
forward to your “ English Football is Tud”
Sure, Berlin has potential. But then again, football support is usually heavily influenced by "local patriotism" and there's this saying that nowadays, no Berlin people are living in Berlin anymore. The city attracts all kinds of students, hipsters, fashionistas, artists, alternatives, intellectuals, politicians/public employees etc. and those milieus are usually not the ones you find among football supporters. Since they're actually "immigrants" chances are they already support their very own teams, too, and at best adopt Hertha as a second club. After all, Berlin has grown tremendously during the last decades so there aren't many who really have "patriotic" feelings regarding the city. They might identify with the multiculturalism and subcultures but that usually doesn't fit to a football club which is more tribal.