Diversity of Burnley's squad

matt23 · Nov 1, 2020

Some beautifully right on responses in this thread, Christ.

I noticed the same thing yesterday and had a brief discussion with a friend about what seemed like a bit of an anomaly these days.

I probably wouldn't have noticed if I was watching a decent game of football but you know, Burnley were playing.

EngimaMK · Nov 1, 2020

I_live_cement said:
It's funny how no one ever mentions the lack of Asian players at clubs.

Despite the fact that black people make up only 3% of the population of the UK yet make up over 30% of players in the PL there is still seemingly a problem?

I don't get it.

Racism against black people is the cause celebre of the day.

Jam said:
OP is a total car crash; as are many posts in the thread to be totally honest.

However it is a totally legitimate conversation that needs to be had sometimes. I too arrived at the conclusion that there isn’t any viable evidence showing Burnley as racist, and it is down to a number of different factors but that doesn’t make the base premise of the thread ridiculous.

Their recruitment doesn’t target white, but rather the factors they target usually lead to white British players. The squad make up is a result of their recruitment process, finances and club location.

Yeah they’re very white, and that isn’t great but on its own it isn’t racist. BAME in general are over represented at the top playing level in England (which is good, and shames many other sectors), so it doesn’t surprise me that there are some exceptions to that.

Erm...

UNITED ACADEMY · Nov 1, 2020

Andre Grey & Lennon say hi. I think it’s down to the fact that they have limited budget and also probably limited scouts which is why they went to Championship & League one players or any cheap PL players.

paulscholes18 · Nov 1, 2020

UNITED ACADEMY said:
Andre Grey & Lennon say hi. I think it’s down to the fact that they have limited budget and also probably limited scouts which is why they went to Championship & League one players or any cheap PL players.

Hi, Grey and Lennon, but I think the OP is talking about current players not ex players

UNITED ACADEMY · Nov 1, 2020

paulscholes18 said:
Hi, Grey and Lennon, but I think the OP is talking about current players not ex players

The OP is making pointI that it’s odd that Burnley wouldn't want some of those qualities in their team which clearly he wasn’t just talking about the current players but actually more towards something that he assumed as Burnley philosophy or principle.

Jippy · Nov 1, 2020

EngimaMK said:
Racism against black people is the cause celebre of the day.

They're ramming it down our throats!

fezzerUTD · Nov 1, 2020

Terrible thread.

Jam · Nov 1, 2020

EngimaMK said:
Racism against black people is the cause celebre of the day.

Erm...

So you think it’s good Burnley are predominantly white, and bad that BAME people have outperformed in football as opposed to other sectors?

The audacity of caucacity folks.

Rozay · Nov 1, 2020

SeaCarrot said:
Classic racist thread.
I’m sure OP will post a similar thread for all the 80/90% black teams on the continent in nations that are predominate white too.
Why does diversity only ever go one way?

Do we need to get a clipboard out each gameweek and tick off players as they come out the tunnel and reject a team if they don't match demographics that day? Any given day there could be 6 or 7 BAME players in the United matchday 11, is that racist since the UK population is considered '56%' white?

Or maybe we should just play footballers and not look at skin colour as some determining factor, especially in a area like top level football where the lowest paid player is better off than 95% of the populace and not exactly oppressed. Get your race glasses off and focus on the individual.

Another person who could do with reading the actual post again. What was written that is, not any parts imagined, or that you believe were insinuated. It is an observation, and a factual observation at that, and the floor has been opened to speculate the reasons if any that these facts have occurred. All you’re doing is arguing a point that perhaps you really want to argue. Maybe the topic as a whole bothers you in general, so you have seen it in here.

If you think there is a logical reason for the make up of Burnley’s squad, just state it. All this ‘what about squads with more black people, that’s the REAL racism’ stuff is actually the more distasteful, and suggests that it’s something that’s been bothering you from before.

Rozay · Nov 1, 2020

Harry Harries said:
Apparently even asking the question gets opinions like the one below.

The thread has given me some insight that the opinion you quoted is secretly how many white people feel about the racial conversation that has taken place this year.

No doubt many of them were hashtagging and pin-wearing too, but clearest demonstration of ‘not getting it’ at heart, and just taking it as an affront to their white superiority. Which tbh isn’t that shocking, I would expect a lot of white people to not REALLY get it with regards to the conversations of 2020. It requires more than just a casual human instinct that disagrees with shooting people. It’s hard to grasp if you haven’t experienced it.

All in all, in a thread full of people complaining, a post like ‘everyone hates white people in 2020’ is, to me, by far the worst and most harmful post in this thread, and almost literally just a paraphrasing of the Burnley fan’s banner that has been mentioned a few times this thread. Because 2020 has sparked a long overdue global conversation about racial equality, and people have been trying to highlight that Black Lives ‘Matter’ - you have the status quo coming with ‘White Lives Matter’ or ‘Everyone Hates White People’ - a demographic that has never not been seen to matter in all of our lives.

Lay · Nov 1, 2020

"any given day there could be 6/7 BAME players in the United matchday 11"

Which one of our players is Asian?

horsechoker · Nov 1, 2020

Lay said:
"any given day there could be 6/7 BAME players in the United matchday 11"

Which one of our players is Asian?

Scott McTominay

UmbroDays · Nov 1, 2020

Lay said:
"any given day there could be 6/7 BAME players in the United matchday 11"

Which one of our players is Asian?

This is why acronyms that are developed by white people do not work.

You can lump black, Asian and all other minority people into just 4 letters. I HATE that phrase, and minorities, etc.

hubbuh · Nov 1, 2020

Rozay said:
The thread has given me some insight that the opinion you quoted is secretly how many white people feel about the racial conversation that has taken place this year.

No doubt many of them were hashtagging and pin-wearing too, but clearest demonstration of ‘not getting it’ at heart, and just taking it as an affront to their white superiority. Which tbh isn’t that shocking, I would expect a lot of white people to not REALLY get it with regards to the conversations of 2020. It requires more than just a casual human instinct that disagrees with shooting people. It’s hard to grasp if you haven’t experienced it.

All in all, in a thread full of people complaining, a post like ‘everyone hates white people in 2020’ is, to me, by far the worst and most harmful post in this thread, and almost literally just a paraphrasing of the Burnley fan’s banner that has been mentioned a few times this thread. Because 2020 has sparked a long overdue global conversation about racial equality, and people have been trying to highlight that Black Lives ‘Matter’ - you have the status quo coming with ‘White Lives Matter’ or ‘Everyone Hates White People’ - a demographic that has never not been seen to matter in all of our lives.

Very well said. It's alarming how quickly lots of white people will twist and distort whatevers being discussed in a completely different direction in order to shut certain conversations down. As you said, anyone saying or believing that 'everyone hates white people' is someone that is so extremely uncomfortable that they invent nonexistent prejudice and actively position themselves as the victim. That's seriously concerning.

DWelbz19 · Nov 1, 2020

AkaAkuma said:
I read an article this week whereby Patrick Bamford spoke of his time at burnley, he felt ostracised by Dyche based on the fact he had been privately educated and had come through the comfortable environment of the chelsea academy. The jist was that he didnt know the meaning of hardwork.

I think this is an important point — Dyche wants a side of hard working [class?] lads, who, for the most part, are devoid of ‘flair’ and ‘fancy attitudes’. Preconceptions and sticking with ‘what he knows’ is probably why the make-up of his side is how it is.

Annihilate Now! · Nov 1, 2020

Some people need to take a look at themselves in this thread.

The OP hasnt called anyone racist... He's not said anyone has done anything wrong... He's just pointed out something that is true (Burnley don't have an ethnically diverse squad at the moment... Which is true) and just asked why/of there's a reason for the anomaly to start a discussion.

The answer is probably that of coincidence... But some of the righteous indignation that people have responded with is a bit over the top.

Sweet Square · Nov 1, 2020

RashyForPM said:
This is ridiculously unfair. Instead of casting aspersions over an entire town, just think that it was one idiot who organised that deplorable banner. This doesn’t make the whole town racist, predominantly white or not. I’m sure they’re not too fond of the guy who flew this plane for disgracing them too. Remember, Mee and Dyche came out after a 5-0 loss and slammed it right away. It’s a working class football team in a working class town.

While it could of been one bloke, the fact is Burnley was the only club that saw this happen. There's millions of United, Liverpool, Chelsea fans over all the country(Some of which will be massively racist), yet we didn't see anything similar.

Also I didn't just base my view off one racist banner. It's a town that massively voted to leave the EU and voted in a Tory MP. I don't get you're point about Burnley as working class town. Yeah most people in the town work just like everywhere else, the people of Burnley aren't down the pits. Overall the town is full of racist Tory graphic designers and peasants like pensioners.

Needham · Nov 1, 2020

McTerminator said:
Threads and opinions like this undermine genuine efforts to root out and tackle racism in all its forms.

There are basically no English players in the NBA, is that racist too? No, it's due to any number of coincidental non racist factors.

Let me know when Dyche pinches Evra's skin and 'compliments' his complexion like a certain Uruguayan nobody seems bothered by anymore...

A better question is how many fans would/would have taken Suarez at United (now or during his prime) and what does that say about the game's stance on racism? (If somebody can point me to an apology from Luis Suarez, or John Terry for that matter, then please do).

People love to pretend they care about kicking racism out of the game, but we would rather stir the pot with baseless insinuation than actually take firm action over proven racist incidents.

As a side note was anyone else less than impressed with the reaction to Montrezl Harrell calling Luka Doncic a b**** a** white boy recently on camera? It sets the wrong message, just like this thread in my opinion.

Brief apology, the victim being the bigger man and approaching the abuser pregame, an illiterate tweet, then forever consigned to history.
Montrezl Harrell
@MONSTATREZZ
24 Aug
If gone get the story get it right all I ask, no one spoke wit me to do anything I approach him and cleared the air from all the outside nonsense that was being said. Nothing but respect for Luka he understood the heat of the battle and he said it didn’t bother him only RESPECT

Rozay · Nov 1, 2020

AkaAkuma said:
I read an article this week whereby Patrick Bamford spoke of his time at burnley, he felt ostracised by Dyche based on the fact he had been privately educated and had come through the comfortable environment of the chelsea academy. The jist was that he didnt know the meaning of hardwork.

DWelbz19 said:
I think this is an important point — Dyche wants a side of hard working [class?] lads, who, for the most part, are devoid of ‘flair’ and ‘fancy attitudes’. Preconceptions and sticking with ‘what he knows’ is probably why the make-up of his side is how it is.

These are the sort of constructive answers I was hoping to read. It’s just an open dialogue to explore what are statistically facts. Doesn’t need to be anything sinister, but to shut any conversation down and start throwing ‘reverse racism’ analogies around is unnecessary.

DoomSlayer · Nov 1, 2020

Annihilate Now! said:
Some people need to take a look at themselves in this thread.

The OP hasnt called anyone racist... He's not said anyone has done anything wrong... He's just pointed out something that is true (Burnley don't have an ethnically diverse squad at the moment... Which is true) and just asked why/of there's a reason for the anomaly to start a discussion.

The answer is probably that of coincidence... But some of the righteous indignation that people have responded with is a bit over the top.

The OP also "points out" and claims that black people are genetically superior in the physical department. I thought that was the definition of racism?

Classical Mechanic · Nov 1, 2020

NotThatSoph said:
United also have a lot of English players. Rashford, Greenwood, Lingard, Wan-Bissaka, Tuanzebe, Mengi, Laird etc.

6 out of those 7 came through the academy and are mostly from Greater Manchester which is much more multi-ethic than Burnley. Burnley’s demography is a white majority with a significant south Asian minority.

Burnley’s academy is much more multi-ethnic but third rate and doesn’t produce many players good enough to play in their first team. Ironically their only minority player that is in their first team squad came through their academy but is actually from Rochdale in Greater Manchester and only joined Burnley after Manchester United released him. A slip up by United actually gave them them the opportunity to sign a player of the requisite quality.

NoLogo · Nov 1, 2020

MattofManchester said:
At this point, you should have erased the entire post, not made this thread, and gone and done something else.

Nothing like starting off a threat about diversity with a bit of racism. :lol:

Annihilate Now! · Nov 1, 2020

DoomSlayer said:
The OP also "points out" and claims that black people are genetically superior in the physical department. I thought that was the definition of racism?

Yeah it's a very poor statement... If that's what most people in this thread were coming after him for then fair enough, not sure it is though

man united 4eva · Nov 1, 2020

Sweet Square said:
I didn't just base my view of one racist banner. It's a town that massively voted to leave the EU and voted in a Tory MP.

It's a reactionary dump(For a number of reasons).

So by voting to leave the EU and by voting a Tory MP in makes you a racist ?

DoomSlayer · Nov 1, 2020

Annihilate Now! said:
Yeah it's a very poor statement... If that's what most people in this thread were coming after him for then fair enough, not sure it is though

When saying a race has superiority over another due to reason X, a poor statement isn't what I'd call it.

duffer · Nov 1, 2020

man united 4eva said:
So by voting to leave the EU and by voting a Tory MP in makes you a racist ?

Doing those two things don't make you are racist.

My personal experience of Brexit fancying Tories is that they are usually a bit racist.

Annihilate Now! · Nov 1, 2020

DoomSlayer said:
When saying a race has superiority over another due to reason X, a poor statement isn't what I'd call it.

It's an ignorant statement that people always make the stupid mistake of making.

Again though, that's not even the problem a lot people had with his post...which considering is easily the most problematic thing about his post is a bit of an issue.

Needham · Nov 1, 2020

man united 4eva said:
So by voting to leave the EU and by voting a Tory MP in makes you a racist ?

This year it makes you a fascist.

Ronaldo's ego · Nov 1, 2020

let’s go the South African way and have quotas that need to be met based on race. That’s the way forward, get a grip. What a pathetic thread.

dbs235 · Nov 1, 2020

Lay said:
"any given day there could be 6/7 BAME players in the United matchday 11"

Which one of our players is Asian?

Do we have to have a representitive from every different race on the planet in the team?

Pow · Nov 1, 2020

man united 4eva said:
So by voting to leave the EU and by voting a Tory MP in makes you a racist ?

Dont forget hate starving kids

VorZakone · Nov 1, 2020

Jam said:
So you think it’s good Burnley are predominantly white, and bad that BAME people have outperformed in football as opposed to other sectors?

The audacity of caucacity folks.

That's probably not what he suggested.

Why call a predominantly white team "not great" when you concluded that there isn't racism involved? Why morally judge them? Is it bad to have more white players than non-white players?

The Mitcher · Nov 1, 2020

VorZakone said:
That's probably not what he suggested.

Why call a predominantly white team "not great" when you concluded that there isn't racism involved? Why morally judge them? Is it bad to have more white players than non-white players?

In his racist opinion, yes.

The Mitcher · Nov 1, 2020

@Invictus Can I ask why this thread is still open but the (parody) West Brom thread is not? What makes this one acceptae, but not the other?

rcoobc · Nov 1, 2020

The Mitcher said:
@Invictus Can I ask why this thread is still open but the (parody) West Brom thread is not? What makes this one acceptae, but not the other?

[Because] the other was a parody thread?

The Mitcher · Nov 1, 2020

rcoobc said:
The other was a parody thread?

Yeah, he literally changed a few words to poke fun at this one. Quite obvious.

The Kag · Nov 1, 2020

Jam said:
The audacity of caucacity folks.

As opposed to using deragotory terms like "caucacity" which generalizes an entire group of people predicated on their skin color. How very "progressive" of you.

rcoobc · Nov 1, 2020

The Mitcher said:
Yeah, he literally changed a few words to poke fun at this one. Quite obvious.

No I mean, that's probably why it's closed?

man united 4eva · Nov 1, 2020

The Mitcher said:
Yeah, he literally changed a few words to poke fun at this one. Quite obvious.

Could be a case of Woke & Poke..

Jam · Nov 1, 2020

VorZakone said:
That's probably not what he suggested.

Why call a predominantly white team "not great" when you concluded that there isn't racism involved? Why morally judge them? Is it bad to have more white players than non-white players?

The Mitcher said:
In his racist opinion, yes.

Because diversity and representation are good.

Sorry lads, it’s 2020 and your types are being left behind.

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