Ole's 100 games in charge of United: 55W, 21D, 24L

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Is this good enough for a United manager? Just over a one in two win rate?

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PL Record:

Played: 65
Won: 32
Drawn: 17
Lost: 16

Goals scored: 111
Goals conceded: 74

Points per game: 1.74
 
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Sandikan

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Losing 1 every 4 is worrying!
Although the way we're going this season, you'd probably take getting back to that!
 

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No, neither is being 15th after 6 games. Had 4 home games and only got 1 point from them
 

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He’s second only to Mourinho in win percentage over the first 100 games
 

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Objectively, no.

I like to think it's offset by a little improvement at least though, someone tell me whether that's true.
 

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55% is pretty good isn't it?

How good do you want it to be? 80%?
 

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I think if it was something like W55 D33 L12 it wouldn't look too bad.
Problem is we have lost games we had no right to lose and imo these stats are not fully reflective.

We could go on another 10+ unbeaten run quite easily I believe.

Probably we shouldn't underestimate the missing 12th man, especially considering our home form pre-Covid v post-Covid.
 

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Meh, I don't care what his stats are looking because right now in the league especially at home we are looking so poor. The worry is we end up getting Europa league again this season.

Then it's literally back to square bloody one.
 

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Decent record. Not magnificent by any means but not terrible to be honest. Sure could be better though.
 

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I’d be more interested to see how that stacks up in the league results only. Obviously overall it’s not a bad record, but people aren’t interested in beating Yeovil 3-0 in the league cup (no offence Yeovil fans...)
 

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Losing 1 game in 4 is the damning stat. You can have a win % of 55% but you can't have 25% losses. That will win you nothing, in any era.
 

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Obviously it's not good enough.

Rightly or wrongly, he has been given extra leeway due to the context of when he took over. After a series of failed appointments, years of failed signings and with a need to manage the rebuild of a squad full of overpaid dross we could only replace slowly.

I doubt even Solskjaer supporters would claim that his record without that context suggests he deserves the job.
 

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why are you only counting PL games?
That's what you build off, it's also probably the most fair/constant way to judge.

Hard to compare Moyes/LVG/Mou/Ole when you factor in all the mini cups and different European cups. Found out @RedSky is good at this stuff so he can probably explain better but I'm pretty sure Ole's stats are worst of all managers in the league but he had the good cups runs last season (question is how much credit should he get for lots of EL games versus weaker teams) which mask this issue.
 

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Good point. Not winning games is indeed different from losing games.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. :lol:

But it is, you can't lose 1 in every 4 games. That's midtable clubs that have that kind of form.
 

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I’d be more interested to see how that stacks up in the league results only. Obviously overall it’s not a bad record, but people aren’t interested in beating Yeovil 3-0 in the league cup (no offence Yeovil fans...)
Premier League results make for even worse reading:

Played: 65
Won: 32
Drawn: 17
Lost: 16

Goals scored: 111
Goals conceded: 74

Points per game: 1.74


Doesn't put him in a good light at all. 49% win rate.
 

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you’re right there, that is very arguable
Well ye, it is....

I think in all fairness, you probably need to look at the overall percentage & league only percentage together to get a full picture.

Based on the other posts on this thread, it looks as if we’re no better or worse than under Mourinho or LVG, who were hounded out the club for similar performances.
 

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Has to go for me, he’s surviving by the skin of his teeth with a good performance every 3/4 games.
Disgusting attitude from the whole team today, is he allowed in the mangers box or have I missed something? I guess he’s not allowed to shout or try anything to gee anyone up as I’ve never seen him do it.
 

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you’re right there, that is very arguable
Not really. It's by far the easiest and straightforward thing to compare.

If we've played a mixture of Europa League and Champions League matches as we have over the past few seasons then considering one of those competitions is harder than the other it doesn't make much sense to give them equal consideration when looking over someone's record.

Sometimes you get kind draws in domestic cups, sometimes you don't. Likely evens out of the long run but seeing as none of our managers have been here for the long run post SAF then all of them could have been subject to short term good or bad luck when it comes to who we were drawn out of the hat against. We could do a deep dive to work out who if anyone did get favoourable or unfavourable draws but short of doing that the easiest thing to do is dismiss it as a measure so that everyone is judged equally. It's not like the club put huge significance on the cups anyway as shown when LVG got the boot after the FA Cup. It meant nothing when it came to how he was ultimately judged.
 

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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. :lol:

But it is, you can't lose 1 in every 4 games. That's midtable clubs that have that kind of form.
No, it's simply good to highlight that winning percentage differs from losing percentage. People often forget it.
 

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Even Keane saying its not looking good for him. That's his mate and I bet he doesn't want to have to say it but its clear. He is running on fumes here.
 

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Win % Premier League
Period 1 (18/19): 12 games - 83% win rate
Period 2 (18/19): 9 games - 22% win rate

Period 1 (19/20): 25 games - 36% win rate (For Period 2 up to the end of this point: the win rate was 32%)
Period 2 (19/20): 13 games - 69% win rate

Period 1 (20/21): 6 games - 33% win rate

His results come in clumps; there have been too many periods of terrible results. His best period for results was actually when he started, along with his worst period. Under Solskjaer we keep going backwards. There is no consistency over the course of a season. These bad periods can go on for considerable lengths of time as well.
 

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Losing 1 game in 4 is the damning stat. You can have a win % of 55% but you can't have 25% losses. That will win you nothing, in any era.
Yep. Mourinho only lost 13 games in his first 100.