I'm admittedly beginning to worry with Ole. He can somehow consistently be excellent and dreadful in the same week. It always appears to be one step forward and two steps back. We could streamroll the rest of November, be top of the world, before losing three games in a row.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Eh? have you seen the pages on this thread when he loses. Ole is the one criticised. The Woodward and Board is another problem altogether.
That's how it'll always be with him.
When we're good, we're pretty good.
When we're bad though, we are really bad.
What performances? We skimmed Brighton (we should have let in about 6 goals in that match) and didn't really get on against Newcastle until a late flurry, much like Leipzig in fact. We were ridiculously passive versus Chelsea and got our arses handed to us by Palace, Spurs whilst being dominated by Arsenal. There are no sustained level of performance right now.
The performances of our team as equally as worrying as the results. In fact the last match is a good testament to that, absolutely devoid of ideas in the second half when switching formations, wrong substitutions and just punting into the box.
Why don’t you rate his opinion? Also all you’ve done is include one more player from his list.
Sure
If I'm incharge of ronaldo development he'll still probably become close to the world's best, but that'll be despite of me.
Having a tactically clueless manager that doesnt emphasizes on details are always bad for a blooming players. You need the tactical intelligent drilled and not only relying on pace and athleticism. Which explains why rashford offers nothing once team doesnt offer him spaces to exploit.
Watch how barca and city dismantle stubborn defences. They pace, they prowl, they make feint they make slight movement to draw defender, the term working your way to the box, everything seems natural to common eyes it made teams looks like they're doing schoolboy error. I still remember our bloody final against barca. That midget scores a header while Ferdinand only watch.
Teams just doesnt roll over against city and liverpool, their behind the screen work is too good you have no response.
That tactical aspect is the one thing we criminally lacking
Mate me or you would have done a great job with SAF. All coaches and manager has to take some blame for NO consistency, motivation, or tactical know how.
Last home win was 4th July against Bournemouth. Since then we have had the following results:
2-2 Southampton (H)
1-1 Westham (H)
1-3 Palace (H)
1-6 Spurs (H)
0-0 Chelsea (H)
0-1 Arsenal (H)
We have taken 3 points at home out of our last 18. We have scored 5 and conceded 13. How he survived the Spurs defeat was remarkable. We are 15th in the league, already 9 points behind Liverpool after 6/7 games.
How people can defend Ole is beyond me. Results are not good enough, performances are not good enough, the transfer window wasnt good enough. Get him out with his inept coaches.
2-2 Southampton (H)
1-1 Westham (H)
1-3 Palace (H)
1-6 Spurs (H)
0-0 Chelsea (H)
0-1 Arsenal (H)
We have taken 3 points at home out of our last 18. We have scored 5 and conceded 13. How he survived the Spurs defeat was remarkable. We are 15th in the league, already 9 points behind Liverpool after 6/7 games.
How people can defend Ole is beyond me. Results are not good enough, performances are not good enough, the transfer window wasnt good enough. Get him out with his inept coaches.
I meant performances over the course of this season. Of course, if our performances continue this way, Ole will be sacked and don't think anyone will complain about that.
As far as the properly coached part is concerned, there are moments when you can see things that were drilled into the side, and in games, one can see that they prepared really well. But the issue is, more often than not, the side lacks consistency. Whether that is because of the manager or the players being way quite young, I don't know, but that is definitely an area of concern.
What is the least number of points we’ve earned after 6 matches in the Premier League era?
Point-wise, I think this is our joint worst start to the PL season after six matches alongside the 2013/14 season with Moyes.
And it could have been worse if VAR spotted the Maguire penalty in the Chelsea match!
Point-wise, I think this is our joint worst start to the PL season after six matches alongside the 2013/14 season with Moyes.
And it could have been worse if VAR spotted the Maguire penalty in the Chelsea match!
I feel like Ole has the right philosophy in terms of team building but he just doesn't seem to have the level of tactical nous required to get the best out of them.
It's almost like he'd be a better DoF than a coach. Unless he can surround himself with assistants and coaches that can work on the tactical side for him, I don't think he'll win anything for us.
We're so reliant on individual brilliance to win games at the moment rather than beating opponents from a tactical perspective (yes i know he does get it right every now and then).
Great managers make average players look better than they really are. I don't think he's done that with any member of the team. If anything he's made a couple look worse.
If SAF was managing this team I'm sure he'd make the team better than the sum of its parts.
It's almost like he'd be a better DoF than a coach. Unless he can surround himself with assistants and coaches that can work on the tactical side for him, I don't think he'll win anything for us.
We're so reliant on individual brilliance to win games at the moment rather than beating opponents from a tactical perspective (yes i know he does get it right every now and then).
Great managers make average players look better than they really are. I don't think he's done that with any member of the team. If anything he's made a couple look worse.
If SAF was managing this team I'm sure he'd make the team better than the sum of its parts.
Yes, and no motivation or tactical skills between them. Rashford having a stinker and takes off Greenwood who was the only one looked like scoring. Ridiculous.
Yes this is on the level of Moyes. Drop points to Everton and it is the worst start in forever.
Also its important to remember that we are even lucky to have two wins. We where useless versus Brighton.
This Prem season has been a joke. Nothing about it can be defended.
I've no doubt we'll win on wednesday, but this time next week this place will be miserable once again.
He's not going to have time to develop performances this season if he continues like this though. He has 7 points from 6 games, and anything but a win in his next few games will put him under immense pressure.
I'm not buying the coaching reason you gave - there are some times I feel we are very good going forward and I agree some things have been worked on. But there are far more worrying things that point to a lack of coaching. For example our off the ball intensity and press, Wan Bissaka's chronic concern on defending crosses, our inability to play out from the back when being pressed ourselves, the players looking disjointed in a foreign formation. There are lots of examples of it.
Not just this place but we will be in serious trouble if we don’t beat Everton which could very well happen. Our league performances this season haven’t been good anyway, so dreading a game just 3 days after a long trip to Turkey and Everton being well rested!
Being emotionally invested in United is hard enough
but even more so if a club legend is facing the sack.At least with Poch or whoever the next manager will be I can feel more relaxed watching us as I will only invest energy again in United (like with the previous 3 managers) and not additionally in the manager who happens to be a club legend.
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We still don't have a balanced side to play any formation, IMO. A top DM would help instead of having to play a double pivot.Not just this place but we will be in serious trouble if we don’t beat Everton which could very well happen. Our league performances this season haven’t been good anyway, so dreading a game just 3 days after a long trip to Turkey and Everton being well rested!
Being emotionally invested in United is hard enough
At least with Poch or whoever the next manager will be I can feel more relaxed watching us as I will only invest energy again in United (like with the previous 3 managers) and not additionally in the manager who happens to be a club legend.
Most of these have come against top teams who usually don't play in a pragmatic way against us. That suits Solskjaer's counter-attacking philosophy to a tee. More often than not when a team defends resolutely against us we don't look to have any answers. It's the consistency against these teams that are the main concern and are critical to Solskjaer's success here. Since he brought Bruno in we were looking like we had turned a corner in that regard results wise but now we're going backwards again. Our home form is appalling too and yesterday's defeat means in the last two years Solskjaer's United have as many PL home losses as Steve Bruce's Newcastle. Let that sink in.
Ole has taken us as far as he can I think.
He will give us great moments....
A couple more signings like a midfield playmaker and a right sided attacker will make marginal differences
We will always have games when we look devoid of ideas and creativity under him.
I think under him we will be consistently inconsistent
I think keep him in his job until we find a manager with a system. An effective way of playing. We rely on individuals too much.
He will give us great moments....
A couple more signings like a midfield playmaker and a right sided attacker will make marginal differences
We will always have games when we look devoid of ideas and creativity under him.
I think under him we will be consistently inconsistent
I think keep him in his job until we find a manager with a system. An effective way of playing. We rely on individuals too much.
Bullshit, we have a superb squad to make plenty of formations and tactics work.
Our problem is that we have no defined tactics or formation, we change from game to game and surprise surprise for 2 years we have zero consistency in our performances.
Neville said as much in the video i posted, the midfield has no balance at all and we keep changing tactics/formations too much
It's difficult to argue with some of his results but performances recently have been rotten. If he got sacked tomorrow you'd have to give him credit for being involved in turning over the squad and improving the aptmosphere around the club.
We're onto his 3rd season and outside of some reactive, counter attacking football (which can be exciting at times and horrible at other times) we've no set system of play and you can argue he's not getting the best out of what he has.
The team currently look more likely to go on a horrible run rather than one of those unbeaten runs they pull out. All in, including that inconsistency in results, I think the problem might be he's slightly out of his depth. Can they afford to keep giving him time to learn? The self-proclaimed biggest club in he world shouldn't be writing off seasons while hoping for things to come good.
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We're onto his 3rd season and outside of some reactive, counter attacking football (which can be exciting at times and horrible at other times) we've no set system of play and you can argue he's not getting the best out of what he has.
The team currently look more likely to go on a horrible run rather than one of those unbeaten runs they pull out. All in, including that inconsistency in results, I think the problem might be he's slightly out of his depth. Can they afford to keep giving him time to learn? The self-proclaimed biggest club in he world shouldn't be writing off seasons while hoping for things to come good.
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It’s clear as day for anyone to see though, so those absolving Ole of full responsibility blow my mind.
2 years and we have no defined formation or tactics, we change week to week to week. Surely these posters understand that is a perfect storm for the inconsistent performances we see?
The key areas which needed fixing were not addressed: :RW, DM, CB. The utter imbecilic and parasitic idiots who run the club dicked around for months in the most important transfer window for years.
Ole might not be the answer but the fact is he just finished 3rd and if we didn’t have selfish bellends running the club we could have really improved and prepared and become more cohesive a lot earlier. Change the manager and these problems do not go away. We’ll just be having exactly the same conversation in a couple of years. And the toxic fan base will have moved onto another target.
- Wasting time on a red herring chase after Sancho to look like they were trying. Then not bothering to even have a plan B
- Not bothering with Thiago who would really have helped yesterday
- Letting Partey go unopposed to Arsenal
- Not bothering paying a relatively low fee for Upamecano
Ole might not be the answer but the fact is he just finished 3rd and if we didn’t have selfish bellends running the club we could have really improved and prepared and become more cohesive a lot earlier. Change the manager and these problems do not go away. We’ll just be having exactly the same conversation in a couple of years. And the toxic fan base will have moved onto another target.
Beyond some weird substitutions, last match wasn't on him. Our players simply downed tools, didn't start playing until the 80th minute, and Pogba made a huge boo-boo.
Heck even if it had been on him, like the Chelsea game for instance that was ours for the taking had we set up more offensively, I'd still consider general trends over time, also adding context to that analysis, and not just evaluate his impact on a match-by-match basis nitpicking only whatever aspects suited my personal sentiments. Every new manager I've always set the bar I felt was realistic, all things I'm able to pick up on considered, and according to those, by the end of this year we should look like a thoroughly solidified top-four team. And if we're not "there" by then, I wouldn't object to seeing him go but I'd still credit him for the job he's done here leaving behind a team and a culture way improved compared to the catastrophic mess he inherited.
Until then, I'll just be the good little supporter I am and you know... Actually support my team cheering them on, doing my part trying to motivate them by wishing for them the best and making them feel appreciated. Also, I'm so glad I started supporting this club when winning was still considered a luxury, otherwise I'd probably board the rage train too every other match, and feel equally torn as so many do in between when we're winning.
Heck even if it had been on him, like the Chelsea game for instance that was ours for the taking had we set up more offensively, I'd still consider general trends over time, also adding context to that analysis, and not just evaluate his impact on a match-by-match basis nitpicking only whatever aspects suited my personal sentiments. Every new manager I've always set the bar I felt was realistic, all things I'm able to pick up on considered, and according to those, by the end of this year we should look like a thoroughly solidified top-four team. And if we're not "there" by then, I wouldn't object to seeing him go but I'd still credit him for the job he's done here leaving behind a team and a culture way improved compared to the catastrophic mess he inherited.
Until then, I'll just be the good little supporter I am and you know... Actually support my team cheering them on, doing my part trying to motivate them by wishing for them the best and making them feel appreciated. Also, I'm so glad I started supporting this club when winning was still considered a luxury, otherwise I'd probably board the rage train too every other match, and feel equally torn as so many do in between when we're winning.
Oh feck off blaming the board for this shit, it’s a fecking excellent squad ffs.
The same bollocks excuses were used last year when apparently Brenton simply had a miles better squad than Ole. It’s bollocks, this squad should be doing miles fecking better.
The same bollocks excuses were used last year when apparently Brenton simply had a miles better squad than Ole. It’s bollocks, this squad should be doing miles fecking better.
Look at the massive difference Bruno made. Signing good players obviously work. By all accounts, plugging the final holes in the starting XI will make a massive difference.
I'm not interested in having a manager that can make a mediocre team play well. I want a manager that can keep a great team great. That is what being a Manchester United manager should be all about. Post Fergie we haven't really had a great team. I don't like Mourinho, but he deserves a lot of credit for breaking 80 points with the mediocre team he had. If it weren't for his disastrous way of handling the media and how he completely lost the team, I may have felt more sorry for him.
Regardless: it's pointless to isolate Solskjær's stint into these 6 games(while totally ignoring the CL, for some reason). Let's come back in here in January and see where we stand. If we're in the top 4 area: great. That's where we belong with this team. If we're 11 points behind top 4 like Mourinho was, then a sacking may be in order.
Name your balanced side from the squad we have, that you would use most weeks
It's a ridiculously talented squad. Just look at the names, and park Pogba because I think he's been average:
Rashford
Martial
Cavani/Greenwood
VDB & Bruno Fernandes(!)
Maguire/Lindelof (in an organized defence can work)
Shaw/AWB with Telles to return
With capable defensive midfielders of different moulds (breaking play up with Fred, composed playmaker in Matic).
This is a ridiculously capable squad, I refuse to buy the utter garbage that Ole has little to work with.
He’s been here 2 years man, no-one is isolating anything.
Is this even a serious question? Where are we lacking balance? Barring a natural right winger we have horses for courses in every single position.You see clubs like Liverpool missing Matip, VVD and Fabinho and relying on academy kids to help out in defence. You see City playing wingers in the number 9, and you say we have less balance?
No.
Top managers, of which I’m not, could do wonders with this squad. It’s incredibly talented.
We need to work with what have, the below is a decent set of attackers/midfielders to be getting on with.
Martial, Cavani, Rashford, Greenwood
Pogba, VDB, Fernades, Mata, Matic, Fred McTominay
Martial, Cavani, Rashford, Greenwood
Pogba, VDB, Fernades, Mata, Matic, Fred McTominay
I've been Ole in this whole time. He's been getting it right in Europe, but still struggling to get results consistently in the league.
I'm not sure how much more time he can be given to turn it around in the league. Our home form is dreadful.
6 points from the next 2 games (which won't be easy), anything less and he has to go for me.
I'm not sure how much more time he can be given to turn it around in the league. Our home form is dreadful.
6 points from the next 2 games (which won't be easy), anything less and he has to go for me.
It’s rinse and repeat, every win is Ole genius, every loss and poor run is due to him not having “the perfect team”, as though any fecking manager has that.
I only asked because I have tried myself, and come up short of being balanced each time.
Yes, and everyone you ask would pick a different side and different systems for the players available. Not having a right winger is our biggest problem for now, but we need to get a way around this.
Exactly. I guess this is what's going on, the coaches seemed to have implemented some half-arsed pressing which looks great in training and I guess they create and score loads in training sessions. It looks all great in training, but when faced with an organised press in real games our players don't know how to pass and move to beat it, as they never prepare for it in training, consequently we can't get past our deepest midfielder. It's clear as day it's a coaching issue. Only the individual quality of players we have bails us out from time to time.
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