Paul Pogba

Hugh Jass · Nov 2, 2020

Bobcat said:
No doubt he did. Fellaini was/is an incredibly limited footballer, but at least you know what you are getting with him. Pogba is like playing the lottery. Once a blue moon you win but most of the time you just waste time and money.

Ideally he should be shipped off and replaced in January, but i doubt he would have many suitors. If we are lucky maybe some Chinese or Russian club is willing to pay stupid money for him.

In 5 years time i think Pogba, along with Sanchez and Di Maria will go down as the worst transfer the club has made in modern times

This.

Hugh Jass · Nov 2, 2020

Lentwood said:
At this stage is there anybody left on the planet apart from Ole and Gary Neville who want to defend Pogba.

I’m literally still raging. I’ve seen some dreadful dross over the last few years and I’ve gotten used to losing with a shrug but this has real rankled me, I could barely sleep because I was so angry!

I’m sick to death of debating which position the useless t**t is supposed to play. I’m sick to death of watching his self-indulgent determination to try tricks and flicks and beat players in defensive areas. I’m sick of him barely breaking a sweat in games. I’m sick of his god-awful attempts to tackle and defend. I’m sick of entire formations and game plans being set up to try and get a half decent performance out of him. I’m sick of us having to pick players literally to babysit him.

We have the core of a decent team here but Jose was spot on, there is a virus which is preventing it from really flourishing

Same with me. I think we should drop him and look to cut our losses ASAP. I got a feeling that Woody is preventing this from happening.

Old Ma Crow · Nov 2, 2020

Should be embarrassed at being done so easily by that gobshite Bellerin, again. He looked knackered when he made the tackle, but where was his brain?

Heinzesight · Nov 2, 2020

MyDevil said:
Why he lasted the full match is beyond me. Should have been sub before the penalty incident. He was so poor.

Hopefully Ole was hanging him out to dry.

The clips of his shitshow were really just another day at the office for Pogba.

R77 · Nov 2, 2020

Heinzesight said:
The clips of his shitshow were really just another day at the office for Pogba.

There was a John Cofie (one of his mates) interview in the MEN recently with a line about Pogba that stuck in my head. 'Football is just a job to him now'. We can't expect 11 Keanes and Cantonas, so it's fair to a degree, but telling all the same.

RedRonaldo · Nov 2, 2020

Next summer is the last chance we could sell him for decent fees. If we get an offer of around 50m we should seriously consider selling

flappyjay · Nov 2, 2020

Why are we even changing the team to fit in a player who doesn't want to be there.

HowYouDoin · Nov 2, 2020

No manager will get blamed for not playing him anymore. Ole should take note.
Everyone blamed Mourinho the first time but whether its Ole or anyone else, absolutely no one will blame a manager anymore.
Im personally sick of Ole's buddy buddy persona in public. Do hope he is more ruthless with players in private.

Pogba is a sub at this point and he should be our 5th midfielder in the pecking order, only ahead of Matic.

If we are gonna play 3 in the midfield its Fred, Bruno and either McT or DVB. If its a diamond all 4 of them. Pogba should remain a sub but somehow I dont think Ole has it in him despite playing him as a sub for a few games.

Giggs' right foot · Nov 2, 2020

He plays as if we should be lucky to just receive 50% from him. I’m so fed up.

Solskjær has all the power in regards to Pogba. There’s a Euros in about half a year. I presume Pogba would like to feature in that, since France is the only team he’s turned up for the past three years. If Ole started to bench him for more than one game, maybe Pogba would think for more than a second about how you present yourself, when you’re wearing a United shirt. Sick of him jogging at old boys tempo against fecking Premier League opponents...

ManU Irish · Nov 2, 2020

He needs to go in January but I see no club playing anything like €50M for him. Who in there right mind would buy him? How he stayed on the pitch for 94mins is unbelievable. Ole had my backing up to yesterday but the tactics and changes yesterday made no sense. People were giving Pogba praise for the Leipzig performance, Utd would have won that game if he wasn't there. I said a few weeks ago he will cost Ole his job, he then took him out of the team and there was an improvement. Either Ole has no backbone or the money men are dictating who is picked because there is no way Pogba should be any where near starting. Arteta made the big call on Ozil and either Ole does the same and is backed or he will be out of job by the end of the month.

Shane88 · Nov 2, 2020

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Wonder what his stats are for penalties conceded since he's been here?

Not like they were dodgy penalties either. They were completely braindead decisions.

How many of us knew exactly what was going to happen when that ball was played into Bellerin yesterday? A lot.

I am so sick of his laissez-faire bullshit and I'll celebrate the day he leaves this club.

Annihilate Now! · Nov 2, 2020

Shane88 said:
Not like they were dodgy penalties either. They were completely braindead decisions.

How many of us knew exactly what was going to happen when that ball was played into Bellerin yesterday? A lot.

I am so sick of his laissez-faire bullshit and I'll celebrate the day he leaves this club.

The thing is, when he was in the starting line-up yesterday, and if you asked people what was more likely out of a) he'd dominate the game and help us to a big win or b) be a liability and cost us... I reckon most would go for option B)... and anyone going for A) wouldn't be surprised if B) happened instead.

It's just the player he is at this point.

VP89 · Nov 2, 2020

How long has he been a bit shite now? I knew he was overrated before he came but I'm just curious when people will actually come round toward accepting the same conclusion

BigBebe · Nov 2, 2020

When he came back from Juve, I was keen to see what all the hype was about (I don't watch much Italian football). When he got here, I thought to myself that he doesn't really appear to have stepped up all that much from when he was a youth team player (I do watch our youth teams). Sure, he still has all the raw, natural talent in the world but no maturity and massive inconsistency.

As I watched him give the ball away time after time yesterday, as he tried some impossible pass or tried to shrug off three players I found myself thinking that the 18-year-old Paul Pogba would have probably have played that game far better than the 27-year-old did. There is a desperation to his play now which wasn't there before.

Unless someone at the club can help him with that and help him mature in footballing terms then leaving and going to a less pressured environment is probably the best thing he can do.

Flairandentertainment · Nov 2, 2020

Idxomer said:
You can't do that here but I feel the same.

He tried to do what he's always done and was good at for years at Juve and his 1st 3 seasons back which are dribbling and creating chances. It's just nothing worked for him, add to that the penalty which came after about 50 passes by Arsenal, and many here are taking it as a chance to dump all their frustrations on him.

It's his performance when we haven't got the ball that's the biggest issue for me - he's not interested in working to get it back and spends his time strolling along and pointing for a team-mate to pick up an opponent that he should have been marking. This is not something new for Pogba.
He's an extremely poor influence on other players and I get the impression he's dragging them down. It's no coincidence that the only league game we have won in which Pogba started was the fluke win at Brighton when they hit the woodwork 5 times.

zenith · Nov 2, 2020

If there is a chance that we can get rid of him next summer and get Grealish somehow. I'd take that with both hands

Volumiza · Nov 2, 2020

TrustInJanuzaj said:
Yeh I agree. I would at this point though look to get rid as I just don’t think it’s worked for both parties as we hoped and the media and fan treatment he receives is just a massive distraction. We would do well to get a different style of player to pogba when we replace him, we need to look for a more controlling midfielder who can dictate the game from deeper more reliably.

I don't for one second think Pogba is a bad bloke but he's brought a lot of his negative attention on himself by not delivering on the pitch so consistently, by staying so silent last year when his agent was so belligerent in his criticism of Utd's treatment of Paul and seemingly agitating for a move. Paul could have voiced disagreement with all of that but his silence was deafening. And again, he shouldn't be judged on hairstyles and dancing, that's just plain wrong but if you're going to act like a team superstar, you've got to be one on the pitch too.

firstkuyttouch · Nov 2, 2020

RedRonaldo said:
Next summer is the last chance we could sell him for decent fees. If we get an offer of around 50m we should seriously consider selling

That figure seems grounded in reality

Hugh Jass · Nov 2, 2020

zenith said:
If there is a chance that we can get rid of him next summer and get Grealish somehow. I'd take that with both hands

Same with me.

Toddler · Nov 2, 2020

I am turning a corner here. We should sell him. Its just not working, covid or not. A shame.

Ralph1386 · Nov 2, 2020

Jose must be laughing at the fact that two years after he left, we’re still talking about where Pogba fits in the team.

FrankDrebin · Nov 2, 2020

zenith said:
If there is a chance that we can get rid of him next summer and get Grealish somehow. I'd take that with both hands

But wouldn't Grealish bring similar problems with the teams balance ?

Buster15 · Nov 2, 2020

Ralph1386 said:
Jose must be laughing at the fact that two years after he left, we’re still talking about where Pogba fits in the team.

He said what needed to be said but because it was Jose, many didn't want to listen.

zadefaraj · Nov 2, 2020

reading this article like it was yesterday

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndic...-pogba-a-virus-in-dressing-room-rant.amp.html

HowYouDoin · Nov 2, 2020

Any combination of our other 5 midfield players works. Its when you try to fit Pogba in that nothing works. The only one that doesnt I guess is Matic McT and Fred. Not enough creativity. Any other combination of Bruno DVB Fred McT and Matic works. Yet if you try to fit Pogba in then nothing works.

Yeah basicallly he should never start again ever.

tjb · Nov 2, 2020

VP89 said:
How long has he been a bit shite now? I knew he was overrated before he came but I'm just curious when people will actually come round toward accepting the same conclusion

People really need to watch the Juve games again...he was nowhere near what he was sold to us as. my thoughts were that we could mould him, turns out i was completely wrong on that. it's like Phil Jones...NEVER sign players with poor fundamentals. Players don't develop as much mentally as its sold to be. I feel football manager has influenced people into believing that that can be developed drastically.

Mr PG · Nov 3, 2020

jungledrums said:
Yeah, agree. A certain ugliness comes out on this forum regarding Pogba. He’s not been good enough for a while, I acknowledge that, but I don’t particularly understand the hatred of him. I like the guy and hope he pulls it together, as unlikely as that may be.

Hehe people who say they don’t understand fan intolerance for Pogba either have short memories or feigning such. He’s so brain dead he cost us 2 penalties then goes and starts talking about Madrid when we’re paying him some serious money. You do that shit u better be producing big time...

Mr PG · Nov 3, 2020

Biggest problem with Pogba is the attention seeking behaviour and it’s gotten worse now that Bruno is getting all the plaudits.
It’s the reason he feels the need for unnecessary dribbles amd other show off moves before he is always disposessed. The intent is always to show how good he is and now that he played well wednesday he seemed determined to put on a show against arsenal and it badly backfired as the dude is barely fit

The smartest thing he could so is keep it simple but it irks me to know we pay him £275/wk for this crap and he still talks about madrid.... a madrid who don’t even rate him.

jungledrums · Nov 3, 2020

Mr PG said:
Hehe people who say they don’t understand fan intolerance for Pogba either have short memories or feigning such. He’s so brain dead he cost us 2 penalties then goes and starts talking about Madrid when we’re paying him some serious money. You do that shit u better be producing big time...

Ironic calling a bloke brain dead when you produce an incoherent, rambling post like that. Are you that dense? I specifically acknowledged that the intolerance of his performances is justified; however, I cannot understand the open hatred directed toward him.

eire-red · Nov 3, 2020

UNITED ACADEMY said:
He’s awful. Bruno was bad yesterday but I think he could make something out of nothing from that bad performance because he has asset in his long shot and set pieces to win us the game or score. Pogba played bad and he has nothing in his assets to get out from that poor performance. Pogba should have been subbed off not Bruno.

At least we will have Martial back against Everton means we won’t see Pogba in XI if we play 4231. And if we play 442 diamond, I would rather see Donny than Pogba.

The guy is just impact sub at best, playing when the opposition players are tired.

I feel like when Pogba and Bruno play, they both operate in each others space. Pogba wants to get on the ball in those pockets and be the showman, whereas Bruno wants to get on the ball and find his teammates with 1 and 2 touch passes.

Majority of Bruno's best performances have come with Pogba out of the team, and when he has the likes of Martial, Mata, Rashford in the team with him to play quick passes.

Pogba just slows everything down. Now I don't want to hate on the guy. He's likeable, seems like a decent guy and all that. But what wrecks my head is when people say, 'well he has to play' or 'let's adopt this very specific formation so that Pogba can occupy the optimal 10% of the pitch where he can kind of influence the game'. Why?

Why not bench him, let Bruno occupy those spaces that he's better in, and play like a balanced, cohesive team that works hard. Why is Ole trying to shoehorn him into the squad for literally no reason? What's he done to justify being in the team ahead of Mata, or van de Beek? I don't get it. Its seems so glaringly obvious that he's not good enough at the moment, yet people are acting like dropping him is a crime.

Tel074 · Nov 3, 2020

HowYouDoin said:
No manager will get blamed for not playing him anymore. Ole should take note.
Everyone blamed Mourinho the first time but whether its Ole or anyone else, absolutely no one will blame a manager anymore.
Im personally sick of Ole's buddy buddy persona in public. Do hope he is more ruthless with players in private.

Pogba is a sub at this point and he should be our 5th midfielder in the pecking order, only ahead of Matic.

If we are gonna play 3 in the midfield its Fred, Bruno and either McT or DVB. If its a diamond all 4 of them. Pogba should remain a sub but somehow I dont think Ole has it in him despite playing him as a sub for a few games.

If you play a diamond then you need matic at the base he's the only one of McT or Fred who can be progressive with the ball from the DM role . For me Pogba should be the last one we go for because hes a liability

predator · Nov 3, 2020

I've watched Pogba at moss Lane playing alongside the keane bros almost a decade ago in altrincham and he is one of our own in my book. He loves the club, the city, has lived in Manchester a long time, can do a manc accent and just wants to be successful at the club.

Personally, this is enough for me to get behind him and support him throughout bad times. Granted, he hasn't exactly been a roaring success since returning from juve but he is one of our own and for so many on this forum to be so malicious and content in slating him is just disgraceful but maybe expected as I reckon many of you dont understand just how popular Pogba is within the club and how much he enjoys playing for united.

If a player is an actual real life cnut like giggs for example or has publicly stated that he wants to leave and is a slave then I cannot argue against giving them stick.

Valencia Shin Crosses · Nov 3, 2020

People seem to hate him for some reason that I can never quite figure out. And I do think there have been times where he was flying for us and clearly a level above anyone on the pitch. But it seems that he's too limited in certain aspects of the game that are much more important than they were 10-20 years ago. Put him in those old Mourinho teams and he would have obliterated teams on the counter with his long passing. But in todays game, it's too difficult to compete against the best sides with a player that offers nothing defensively when that player isn't an attacker. Hell, even many of the best attackers can press like hell from the front and harass teams to offer some defensive effort. But Pogba requires us to shield him from too many defensive duties, and this puts pressure on him to make up for it on the other end.

Many here applaud Fred because we watch him motor around for 90 minutes and being a thorn against many sides, and because of this we can excuse the games where his passing is dire because we know even at that point that Fred can do a job for the team. Pogba isn't capable of that, so when his own passing is dire he becomes a complete liability in the side as he's offering nothing yet is expected to make things happen while on the pitch. Whether it's a lack of fitness, attitude, or genetics, the inability for him to contribute on that side of the game turns him into a glorified Ozil-type that simply can't compete for teams looking to dominate every week against other top sides.

UNITED ACADEMY · Nov 3, 2020

predator said:
If a player is an actual real life cnut like giggs for example or has publicly stated that he wants to leave and is a slave then I cannot argue against giving them stick.

FahadiHossein · Nov 3, 2020

Although his form has been terrible, I have to defend him just a little. I think OGS has trouble accommodating him and Bruno on the team. They both can't play on the left or right of the midfield because both our full backs are more defensive and they don't attack quickly or often enough to create space on the flanks. So both of our midfielders will have to pass into the middle and this can be easy for teams that form a low block.
A winger like Sancho would have made things different by opening space on the flanks.

Marcus · Nov 3, 2020

He has earned his place on the bench for next few games. And can't complain. Come on as a super-sub to change the game. Should not be starting games when the other team has the energy to press like hounds. He consistently loses the ball because he likes to shield the ball but easily gets robbed when double teamed. It's so easy for other teams when he plays. You know he is not going to do one-touch but hold the ball for a bit. Frustrating as hell.

ayushreddevil9 · Nov 3, 2020

roonster09 said:
No matter what Ole does, he will get criticism. Drop Pogba then we have section of fans who will blame him for playing inferior players instead of our better players. Play him then section of fans will blame him for picking his favorites. This is lose-lose situation for Ole.

I think we should move on from Ole and Pogba. Sack Ole, sell Pogba and buy CM who can contribute to both attack and defense, someone who can give the balance to the team.

Pogba on countless number of times has proven himself as a liability and a player nobody can rely upon. He was rightfully dropped and I didn't like the fact that one good performance against Leipzig brought him straight back into the lineup.

Needs to prove on a consistent basis that he can make some level of impact from the bench and then brought back into the side. Let other players who know how to do the basics right and on the basis of merit play ahead of him.

ayushreddevil9 · Nov 3, 2020

VP89 said:
How long has he been a bit shite now? I knew he was overrated before he came but I'm just curious when people will actually come round toward accepting the same conclusion

It has come to a state when we have to think when was the last time he was good for us on a consistent basis.

RooneyLegend · Nov 3, 2020

Talk about a scapegoat.

Che Guevara · Nov 3, 2020

United's dilemma right now is benching a record signing on masssive wages. The one-year extension is probably to give United a chance to get a decent fee for him, but on current performances I honestly can't see any takers.

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