Levy gave him a job. If his boss said “feck the CL, a cup is the corporate goal”, he would have changed tack.
They’ve often had a great team. But a squad that could compete In all competitions has never been there.
Is Poch really the answer?
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They’ve often had a great team. But a squad that could compete In all competitions has never been there.
They made it to the semis and even won the first leg.
It's literally just an extra game and it'll could potentially be the first ever senior trophy for the majority of their squad.
I agree with you mostly.
But Spurs have a clear agenda. He’s not pissing away the easy and chasing the hard for the good of his health.
I can’t see into the future to answer it. But from what i have observed with Poch two latest clubs he was coaching is. Poch previous clubs and squad were running alot. They were aggressive and Poch had a playing on the front foot philosophy.
And i think and believe Poch will coach this United current squad better than Ole.
Personally i will not hire a ex striker/CF to coach a team. I would prefer a ex midfield player or ex defend. A ex striker didn’t and doesn’t had a better view than a midfield player or deeper. They know how to build up the attack, from a deeper position. They have a better view.
Not talking about manager who are meant and born to win big trophies and become successful. I prefer ex players those who know how to build up an attack. They got to experience it as a player. Most time i think. Its a bigger chance ex midfield and defender will become a better coach than a strikers.
But if we take the factors luck and meant to be into counting. Willing, experience and skills are not the only factors. Beside a equal experience and willing factors. Then its the luck and meant to be will be the different factor.
Personally I would vote for Poch over Ole. But you never know. What the future will bring.
Sum up. Poch is maybe not the answer. But for me. Clearly a better “coach”.
When Poch were meant to coach to really great sides and squad with Southampton and Spurs. I think he is big enough to manage and coach United squad. When you have coach such a big ego like Dele Alli and Kane. I think he will handle the pressure from the club and the players too.
Poch might hirer and bring the scout at Southampton who brought all the great players to the club. And lately Liverpool brought to Anfield. Like Mane, Van Dijk. Southampton scouting team back then did a great job. Credit for it. Important factor behind South success back then.
And i think and believe Poch will coach this United current squad better than Ole.
Personally i will not hire a ex striker/CF to coach a team. I would prefer a ex midfield player or ex defend. A ex striker didn’t and doesn’t had a better view than a midfield player or deeper. They know how to build up the attack, from a deeper position. They have a better view.
Not talking about manager who are meant and born to win big trophies and become successful. I prefer ex players those who know how to build up an attack. They got to experience it as a player. Most time i think. Its a bigger chance ex midfield and defender will become a better coach than a strikers.
But if we take the factors luck and meant to be into counting. Willing, experience and skills are not the only factors. Beside a equal experience and willing factors. Then its the luck and meant to be will be the different factor.
Personally I would vote for Poch over Ole. But you never know. What the future will bring.
Sum up. Poch is maybe not the answer. But for me. Clearly a better “coach”.
When Poch were meant to coach to really great sides and squad with Southampton and Spurs. I think he is big enough to manage and coach United squad. When you have coach such a big ego like Dele Alli and Kane. I think he will handle the pressure from the club and the players too.
Poch might hirer and bring the scout at Southampton who brought all the great players to the club. And lately Liverpool brought to Anfield. Like Mane, Van Dijk. Southampton scouting team back then did a great job. Credit for it. Important factor behind South success back then.
That’s a massive elephant in the room that gets ignored when people bang on about Poch working on a budget
Poch got Jay Rodriguez and Adam Lallana to have their current career best scoring PL seasons at Soton, and had Rickie Lambert able to provide goals and assists.
So I’d say he hasn’t just lucked out on Kane in terms of forwards.
So I’d say he hasn’t just lucked out on Kane in terms of forwards.
Yeah I think people would be a lot more open to the idea if it didn't involve Woody doing the appointing
To answer the thread...
Who knows - but you feel that we have to try it, or we'll forever be crying about it like with Jose.
Who knows - but you feel that we have to try it, or we'll forever be crying about it like with Jose.
We won't win a league with Poch, so no.
We finished higher from 6th to 3rd, players are improving and being developed from Mourinho to Ole man management, our record against the top team were impressive. In order to build a team, it's not just buying and selling but also improving and developing the current ones we got. In order to be able to challenge or win trophies, we need to know how to beat the top teams. There are still something need to be improved as what you mentioned we still struggle to break teams down but that's something can be improved and the result will tell us when this season progress longer and so far it's only 6 league games.
What you call ''minimal progress'' is debatable because last season was his first full season in charge so obviously the progress was never gonna be maximal. Whether Ole is the right man to win us the title is another question but he's the right man to build and improve our squad.
With the current level squad we are good enough to achieve top 4 to maintain us in the CL but also at the same time improving the squad and we can still achieve this with Ole as our manager, proven last season. My question is relevant because we are currently still in a stage of improving and developing for the sake to build team that can challenge for title in the future. I asked the question because I would like to know whether you think with the current squad we are not in that stage anymore but we can actually aim higher which is challenging the league.
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He's basically sucking up at Woodward
Finishing 6th is a false metric. It's even murkier to use as a reference of improvement when Jose was the manager for only half of it. We finished 6th because of Jose's sabotage season not because the squad was a 6th place squad. It had finished 2nd in the season before that when the manager wasn't trying to get the sack. Heck it's not even the same starting xi so I don't like to compare them like the progression is between the same set of players. That one metric is overstated, misused and tells us little about the surrounding circumstances behind both positions. That's why no one feels swayed by the differences in league finishes between the two years. The improvement is incredibly debateable especially when paired with weekly tactical failings on display every other game we play
I also don't think the squad or the manager are good enough to contend. The squad isn't good enough largely due to the additions of the manager who splurged on ill-fitting players. Haven't seen such a misfit since LVG bought non-technical players for his system. That the squad isn't any closer to the top is also an indictment on the manager's transfer failings
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It’s all a wash. It’s impossible to deny that Pochettino made Kane a better player.
He forced him into roles he was unsuited for, trusting his ability. He persevered when results were not instant.
He shaped several versions of that Spurs side to utilise Kanes ability.
He didn’t rely on him. He routinely asked him to do things that would see a smaller goal return, to get a larger team output.
Alli & Son both got to shine due to Poch recognising Kanes ability and he gave the team a tactical shape and approach to see as many players as possible hit their best level of performance.
When Rose faded or Walker left, he didn’t just try to sign carbon copies. He adjusted the team and how it worked.
He’s a top top coach. He has a huge question mark over his ability to handle pressure and to a lesser extent, sign top players and assimilate them.
But Kane is the player he is BECAUSE of Pochettinos input. Kane did not carry him.
Would rather Ole stay than bring in Simeone
Agreed. If you think Mourinho is bad, Simone is up another five levels.
Why? Is challenging for 4th and crossing your fingers anytime we concede first a happy place for you?
That's very odd take. Looks like these pundits don't watch football at all.
As a Chelsea fan, I also hope you keep Ole instead of Simeone.
In Poch's first 9 league games for Spurs Kane played less than 70 minutes. They got 11 points in those 9 games. Let's hope he doesn't take as long to find the answer here.
I seriously doubt Poch is the answer... but I think he is coming so will wish him well.
Personally think we need to gut the dressing room and have a mass rebuild with players who actually care and want to run through brick walls for the team.
Theres something wrong with the players mentality
Personally think we need to gut the dressing room and have a mass rebuild with players who actually care and want to run through brick walls for the team.
Theres something wrong with the players mentality
Literally no points made in this post.
Christ so Kane was the reason Poch did well at Spurs. Just looking for anything to beat Poch with. Hope you guys keep that same energy when people say Bruno was the only reason we were third or Ole only relies on individual brilliance
I mentioned Kane in regards to the Poch working without signings or decent budget he gets praised for when he had Kane there waiting for him.
whether Kane would have been a world class striker without Poch, I’m inclined to say he would have been
Pretty much agree with everything.
He will surely improve in what people say is the biggest problem with Ole, we don't seem to have a system.
But I'm sad to see Ole like this. Psg and Leipzig were amazing wins.
We most likely won't win the league until the Glazers change their business model or sell the club. But a good manager is better than a not so good manager.
Not at all. If Ole leaves tomorrow I wouldn't bat an eyelid but Simeone is as far away from a United manager as you can get. He makes LVG look like an exciting coach. If we want to go down that route then just get Nuno in because he has a lot of PL experience because the 2 play the same brand of football which is fecking terrible to the eye.
I'm not the biggest fan of Pochettino but seeing these types of threads makes me think that maybe he is going to be something different to what we had.
Every manager we had came with this huge expectation of guaranteed success especially the Jose tenure where hardly anyone doubted the guy. I remember people thinking LVG was a title winning manager when he was never that type of manager - he focused more on coaching of his squads first, if he won it it's just because he did.
I'm opening to the guy because I've watched some tactics videos and he does use my most hated formation to get his players to understand his tactics (the 4231) - he does change it up aswell which gives me hope that he can adapt his tactics to get the best out of his players to another level.
Success wont come without betterment of your players - if he can do that then success should follow. Hopefully he doesnt Jose his players under a bus for not fitting his idolised formations and tries to get the best out of what he has and improves on weak spots rather than trying to improve areas we are already well equipped in.
Warming a little to the idea of him.
Every manager we had came with this huge expectation of guaranteed success especially the Jose tenure where hardly anyone doubted the guy. I remember people thinking LVG was a title winning manager when he was never that type of manager - he focused more on coaching of his squads first, if he won it it's just because he did.
I'm opening to the guy because I've watched some tactics videos and he does use my most hated formation to get his players to understand his tactics (the 4231) - he does change it up aswell which gives me hope that he can adapt his tactics to get the best out of his players to another level.
Success wont come without betterment of your players - if he can do that then success should follow. Hopefully he doesnt Jose his players under a bus for not fitting his idolised formations and tries to get the best out of what he has and improves on weak spots rather than trying to improve areas we are already well equipped in.
Warming a little to the idea of him.
No manager is going to guarantee success, he could come and fail miserably from what it's worth but I think it would be a good move on Manchester's behalf to appoint him as a manager and then keep working with that same style of managers.
What's the head to head ratio between Ole and fat Frank again?
Unpopular opinion but I would prefer Tuchel. If it is true that his days at PSG are counted that would be my choice in case we do not see a miracle and Ole turning it round.
Good to see a bit of flexibility on the caf. Makes a nice change.
Nuno instead of Simeone is a huge call.
Definitely but I wouldn't want either one anywhere near managing United. Either one might win something with us but the old saying winning isn't everything certainly springs to mind.
Finishing 2nd by having a one season squad to achieve it doesn’t mean we are going step forward in making progress. It’s like Leicester when they won the league because their squad was just good enough to win for that one season but next following season they were dreadful which reflect the true quality of their squad.
If that squad when we finished 2nd was that good and wasn’t just a one wonder season, Ole wouldn’t need to ship out some of those players
On the other hand, our project isn’t just one season but actually to win major trophies for success lot of years. This requires time to build the squad before we can start talking about challenging the league. And we are in that stage and so far I believe we are in the right direction in that rebuilding job. I believe we have good potential squad that in the future will be good enough to challenge the league. And just as a remainder, I’m talking about the process in building the squad, whether the manager is good enough to win us the league is another discussion.
If you don’t think the squad is good enough but Ole achieved 3rd place last season and beating Pep 3x, Lampard 3x, Rodgers 2x and even Mourinho. And if we use your opinion about our current squad then it’s good what Ole did there. Last season main issue was inconsistency and I don’t think you can argue with that, and if we can get more top quality players who can perform in consistent basis then it can fix that inconsistent issue.
I don't know, prior to Ole's reign, the last ex striker we had managing us ended up getting a stand named after him
Yep
Probably true also. I just like to fool myself into thinking there's some magical, mystical manager who will solve all of our issues.
Well it is possible. But it would require a lot of luck.
Not the mention the quality of the Spurs squad, bar some notable players. Oh, was it him that got Son?