Solskjaer's Press Conference - Everton

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“I don’t fall like a house of cards”

Strong words but they’re needed. He must be seen to show strength even if our performances don’t at the minute.

I swear our fans these days, so hysterical.
We need a bit of patience, if we hit the panic button again after a handful of games and sack Ole, it would be sheer stupidity and I believe the board won’t do it even if we lose to Everton.

Give the guy a season for god sake he’s earned it.

We have too many goals in this team not to bounce back, our quality will shine through.
Can people stop with nonsense like "fans are impatient" ? These same fans watched their team for 8 years doing nothing but fighting for their lives just to finish top 4 each year. We're close to complete a full decade without a single title challenge, you know that right ?
 

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Well, surely you’d be incensed at the bad loss and you’d be even more switched on to work after two losses in a row.

What a defeatist statement. I guess he’s got an excuse ready if we don’t win right? I don’t recall Chelsea having issues last weekend facing Burnley after travelling to Russia midweek.
Sunday, Wednesday, Saturday morning is a shit bit of scheduling to be fair
 

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He really wouldn't be able to say anything that wouldn't have a thread full of negatives right now.

If he comes out saying we're United and we'll see a BIG reaction tomorrow, people would still moan at that as being baseless bravado.
 

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First it's not enough games and will get better when we are in the groove. Now it's to many games in a short time. Ole has done what he can, time to move on
 

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Can people stop with nonsense like "fans are impatient" ? These same fans watched their team for 8 years doing nothing but fighting for their lives just to finish top 4 each year. We're close to complete a full decade without a single title challenge, you know that right ?
it’ll be longer if we don’t give our managers time, who do you want to hire exactly?
 

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Its not just his pressers. Its the body language during games as well. Just like Moyes as well, no passion, not jumping around at the touchline when being down. Take Simone for example, he just doesnt give up, even when they´´re down. When I see Ole after going down, its like he,s resigned to losing and gives up.
I really wanted him to succeed, but doubts about him right now.
 

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it’ll be longer if we don’t give our managers time, who do you want to hire exactly?
How much time should each manager get ? I'm sorry but it's really disappointing for me that this season is turning into yet again another top 4 fight bullshite.
 

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You think we should have given Moyes LVG and Mourinho more time?
Would you sack every manager we employ after their first 6 league games of their (full) second season if they had Ole’s results ?

Do you want nanglesman who we just beat 5-0, I’m applying the same short-termism that’s rife?
 

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"Not the same without the fans."
Yes, Ole, it's only United playing without fans*. Everyone else is playing in a post-covid world in packed stadiums.

* And City of course--even says so on their seat covers.
 

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Would you sack every manager we employ after their first 6 league games of their (full) second season if they had Ole’s results ?

Do you want nanglesman who we just beat 5-0, I’m applying the same short-termism that’s rife?
What style of play do you expect to see when we face Everton tomorrow and West Brom and Southampton
 

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Call me crazy, but those sorts of statements are the type to seep into the players minds. The general air of the conference was very defeatist too.

Almost like: ah, the gaffer said we’re knackered, and we did get off the plane really late. And we’re in shit form. I’m going to play in a wallowing fashion and just hope we can see out a decent enough result.
Yeah im with you. Negativety breeds negativety. Back in the Sir AF days we could lose a game while playing poor but the next game, feck me would we hit them hard. Back then I could accept a lose as I knew the next game would be a full on assault (win or lose).
 

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this season is turning into yet again another top 4 fight bullshite.
Although we're 6 games in, the idea of achieving Top 4 banks on us improving our results. We have a full strength squad right now, and we're 15th.
What if we don't improve results, which is a possibility?

What far does the ambition fall then?
 

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"Not the same without the fans."
Yes, Ole, it's only United playing without fans*. Everyone else is playing in a post-covid world in packed stadiums.

* And City of course--even says so on their seat covers.
Pretty much all home games for City since Covid. Very unfair.
 

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Walk out of the club publicly whilst calling out the owners and Ed - that’s about the best thing he could do for the club right now.

Once the rancid parasites have gone he’d be welcome back in some ambassadorial type role
 

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Bottom line, if he gets it right on the pitch, there'll be little to complain about.
I agree, but there will still be people wanting him out. We have seen that over and over again. Even with great performences there is lot of negativity from our fans.
 

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He really wouldn't be able to say anything that wouldn't have a thread full of negatives right now.

If he comes out saying we're United and we'll see a BIG reaction tomorrow, people would still moan at that as being baseless bravado.
Because it would be baseless.
Weve had no reaction from the side.

Ole says football has ups and downs but all I see with the current side is a pattern, and its not good.
 

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I agree, but there will still be people wanting him out. We have seen that over and over again. Even with great performences there is lot of negativity from our fans.
And I myself am one of those people. This is Manchester United and there are standards. Giving the odd great performance doesn't cut it. Playing well regularly, winning games regularly, will win everyone over. It's simple.
 

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Can people stop with nonsense like "fans are impatient" ? These same fans watched their team for 8 years doing nothing but fighting for their lives just to finish top 4 each year. We're close to complete a full decade without a single title challenge, you know that right ?
I’m sure stamping feet will expedite the process, oh wait, we’ve done that from the very moment SAF left.

Let’s usher Poch in for more of the same shall we.
 

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I agree, but there will still be people wanting him out. We have seen that over and over again. Even with great performences there is lot of negativity from our fans.
That's not true in the slightest. If you are talking about individual performances here and there, sure. But if he were to get the team to perform well consistently, both against attacking (pressing or possession based teams) as well as defensive teams, there would be absolutely no complaints. But the reality is we're very far from that. We've amassed few and short winning runs.

I posted this in his 100 matches thread, relevant to bring up again:

2018-2019
(Mourinho WLLWWDLWDWWLDDDWL) - Solskjaer WWWWWWDWWDWWLWLWLLDDL

2019-2020
WDLDWLDLDWLWDDWWDLWWLWLLDWWDWDWWWWDWDW

2020-2021 so far
LWLWDL


It''s a corner turned after a corner turned after a corner turned. Since becoming the permanent manager we've once won 4 games on the trot (just looking at the league), and a few times two games in a row. There is just zero consistency of performance.
 

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Many of the performances have been downright comical and pathetically poor. If United had been playing well, and then losing some games due to random chance or just meeting better opposition once or twice, no one would be asking these questions already.
It's especially jarring because of how strong his reaction was to the very first of these truly pathetic performances, the game against Everton.

Promised that sort of rock bottom performance and zero effort level would never happen again, but it's happened in what, a dozen matches since then? Maybe more? And now he doesn't even want to comment about the effort levels and instead he just churns out the same platitudes, defeat after defeat where we've been outrun and outfought, about how his boys are good boys and want to work hard and turn things around. Nobody is going to buy that shit.
 

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Because it would be baseless.
Weve had no reaction from the side.

Ole says football has ups and downs but all I see with the current side is a pattern, and its not good.
So what would be the right thing for him to say pre this game?
Seems a pretty tough one to get right. But i've never really got into feasting on the manager's every word before and after. It just adds to the pain.
 

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Feels like Ole has reached that point where literally everything he says will be seen as negative by the fans and media.

A loss against Everton could be the end for Ole.
 

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“I don’t fall like a house of cards”

Strong words but they’re needed. He must be seen to show strength even if our performances don’t at the minute.

I swear our fans these days, so hysterical.
We need a bit of patience, if we hit the panic button again after a handful of games and sack Ole, it would be sheer stupidity and I believe the board won’t do it even if we lose to Everton.

Give the guy a season for god sake he’s earned it.

We have too many goals in this team not to bounce back, our quality will shine through.
I’m not sure I follow you.

Where is the outstanding results that earn him time? Third place in the PL after a highly unusual season. Out in the SF in both the FA and the EL cup! Is that a great achievement in your view?
I’m 100% sure our board is discussing his future. That’s their duty and if we judge him only on results the outcome is not in his favor.
 

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And I myself am one of those people. This is Manchester United and there are standards. Giving the odd great performance doesn't cut it. Playing well regularly, winning games regularly, will win everyone over. It's simple.
I'm not saying now Solskjaer will ever be Guardiola or Klopp (just example) but would you have sacked Klopp during first 4 years, when he didn't won anything? There were standards set by 70s, 80's Liveprool teams. What Klopp did was that he showed progress. Bumps here and there, nothing won and then it all clicked. Standards are set by those who did something great. If we are going by standards no manager would survive more then 1 year compared to Sir Alex Ferguson. Managers office door would be open 24/7.

That's not true in the slightest. If you are talking about individual performances here and there, sure. But if he were to get the team to perform well consistently, both against attacking (pressing or possession based teams) as well as defensive teams, there would be absolutely no complaints. But the reality is we're very far from that. We've amassed few and short winning runs.

I posted this in his 100 matches thread, relevant to bring up again:

2018-2019
(Mourinho WLLWWDLWDWWLDDDWL) - Solskjaer WWWWWWDWWDWWLWLWLLDDL

2019-2020
WDLDWLDLDWLWDDWWDLWWLWLLDWWDWDWWWWDWDW

2020-2021 so far
LWLWDL


It''s a corner turned after a corner turned after a corner turned. Since becoming the permanent manager we've once won 4 games on the trot (just looking at the league), and a few times two games in a row. There is just zero consistency of performance.
Consistancy is one major thing young players don't have. If some of our best players are young players, you will see performences that goes up and down. That affects results. I'm not here to defend Solskjaer to the ultimate end. There is red line for everything and everyone. But there is also reality. We will turn this around, get confidence and go on winning run. We are still showing progress, despite less flattering position in this moment.

I don't want to make this a new Solskjaer in/out thread. There are plenty. What I was saying is some people will be negative and have a go, whatever he does and shows.
 

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Feels like Ole has reached that point where literally everything he says will be seen as negative by the fans and media.

A loss against Everton could be the end for Ole.
Exactly my point.

He is walking on a thin rope. I'm afraid. And it would be overreaction if it would happen.

People love hating. People love blaming others. People lacks patience.
 

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Sunday, Wednesday, Saturday morning is a shit bit of scheduling to be fair
Same as we had when we were always competing, same as the teams competing now.

Couple of hours here or there every other week, he have a big enough squad to cope if playing well enough
 

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I'm not saying now Solskjaer will ever be Guardiola or Klopp (just example) but would you have sacked Klopp during first 4 years, when he didn't won anything? There were standards set by 70s, 80's Liveprool teams. What Klopp did was that he showed progress. Bumps here and there, nothing won and then it all clicked. Standards are set by those who did something great. If we are going by standards no manager would survive more then 1 year compared to Sir Alex Ferguson. Managers office door would be open 24/7.
I would not have sacked Klopp because he took over a club that hasns't won the title in decades, he inherited a mediocre squad, and hasn't spent huge money before getting Alisson and Van Dijk (with Coutinho's money covering most of it). And the most important thing - he changed their football right away and improved it a lot progressivly. You could see them getting better and better, until he got those final defensive players to complete the puzzle.

And that is actually all I wanted from Solskjaer so far. Forget trophies, forget even league position - didn't give a damn last season if we finished 3rd or 6th, reached the CL or not. Not important. I wanted to see the sort of coaching work and football style that will make me believe we're heading towards a really good place even if it takes a couple of more years, as it was never going to happen right away anyway. And yeah, we've had a few good perfomances after the lockdown last season, but overall, I never thought it was enough. And obviously this season isn't helping. No, I don't believe we are heading in the right direction.

Mentioning that you're "not saying" he'll be a Pep or a Klopp doesn't actually help. Because honestly, in order for Solskjaer to justify the sort of patience some fans are allowing him - he WILL need to become a Klopp or a Pep. Because waiting and waiting for a manager to become "only" good doesn't make sense to me. If you're going to give someone all this leeway, it should be for greatness.
 

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Ole win rate at Utd 55%, Klopp at Dortmund 56% . Who operates(ed) at a higher league standard? Give the guy some time.
 

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Exactly my point.

He is walking on a thin rope. I'm afraid. And it would be overreaction if it would happen.

People love hating. People love blaming others. People lacks patience.
How much more patience should ‘these’ people have? Another year, another two years of horrendous performances?