There is a big difference between going into a game thinking you might lose to actually wanting them to lose.
Some of the posters are a disgrace.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Its usually about 10 new threads to discuss how the world is ending and everything at every level of the club is wrong or falling apart.
This for me is just a bad example. Is this how you think in real life to? That you let go something good in hope for something better without knowing it will come?
Cool story.
Dont think that will change any time soon.
You should hear some of the rants in a pub after the games.
I'm new, but have been lurking and reading for a long time. I can understand people being impatient with the team, it's inevitable when there are up and downs in performance levels like there has been.
I do think there is a sense of immediacy in wanting the manager to come in and win trophies straight away, that rarely happens. I dont know how anyone expected this squad to be challenging for the league or champions league.
I also cannot understand why people want the team to lose a match just so Ole will get sacked. I wouldn't say those people are real fans at all, they might say it's for the greater good or whatever but wanting to lose even one match for any reason is enough to prove your not a real fan.
Some of these negative posters will go out of their way to not give Ole credit. I see posts saying that without Bruno the team would be nowhere and he's saving Ole. Do these people not realise that he's doing what he was bought to do? Imagine the slating Ole would get if he played and wasn't scoring and creating goals.
Finally, when you consider he's really only had a season and a half of footbalI. I think Ole has done a very good job with the squad and hes still working on building them squd he wants. He's gotten rid of most of the players people wanted gone, the others are barely seen in the match day squad never mind starting 11.
Inconsistency is par for the course during a squad rebuild, it takes at least 2 full seasons before the squad fully gels and is able to maintain standards week in week out.
I also don't think there is any point in getting rid of him to replace him with Poch or any manager at this point when he will be faced with the same board and the same incompetence in the transfer dealings.
I do think there is a sense of immediacy in wanting the manager to come in and win trophies straight away, that rarely happens. I dont know how anyone expected this squad to be challenging for the league or champions league.
I also cannot understand why people want the team to lose a match just so Ole will get sacked. I wouldn't say those people are real fans at all, they might say it's for the greater good or whatever but wanting to lose even one match for any reason is enough to prove your not a real fan.
Some of these negative posters will go out of their way to not give Ole credit. I see posts saying that without Bruno the team would be nowhere and he's saving Ole. Do these people not realise that he's doing what he was bought to do? Imagine the slating Ole would get if he played and wasn't scoring and creating goals.
Finally, when you consider he's really only had a season and a half of footbalI. I think Ole has done a very good job with the squad and hes still working on building them squd he wants. He's gotten rid of most of the players people wanted gone, the others are barely seen in the match day squad never mind starting 11.
Inconsistency is par for the course during a squad rebuild, it takes at least 2 full seasons before the squad fully gels and is able to maintain standards week in week out.
I also don't think there is any point in getting rid of him to replace him with Poch or any manager at this point when he will be faced with the same board and the same incompetence in the transfer dealings.
I agree that he has rid us of a lot of players and brought in more players that you could say are of the United ethos. Does he utilise the squad to it's maximum, not too sure, a lot of managers could be accused of that. Would I want to lose so he can be sacked no.Yesterday I think the players did their best for him as I think they like him. If Ole gets the sack it should be because of results and not because a manager who is perceived to be better is available. Yesterday's game would not have been a surprise if we had lost, it is the game coming up next that Ole at times has problems with. If he can work out how to beat teams set up not to lose he will have got somewhere. If he doesn't then him and United are going nowhere.
Wish I could
I've been following for years and it has always been the same.
Sack Fergie sell Giggs was a thing here two decades ago.
I firmly believe that we need to replace Ole but I don't understand people that make it personal.
I was very happy with the result yesterday, at the end of the day I support Manchester United and nothing would make me happier than Ole turning it around and guiding us back to where we belong.
The reaction of some fans here and on social media has been disgraceful. Wanting us to lose, having a go at Ole for his post match interview (which i loved).
It seems that being right is more important than the team winning for some.
I was very happy with the result yesterday, at the end of the day I support Manchester United and nothing would make me happier than Ole turning it around and guiding us back to where we belong.
The reaction of some fans here and on social media has been disgraceful. Wanting us to lose, having a go at Ole for his post match interview (which i loved).
It seems that being right is more important than the team winning for some.
Exactly. And the Ole in crowd we can be shit for weeks & then one win “see I told you he’s the right man”
What we need is consistency. If we were always how we were pre & post lockdown everyone in the fan AEW would be unanimously behind Ole.
Was that ever actually a serious statement? I always assumed it was just a way to mock people with knee jerk reactions.
The expression itself is mockery but the sentiment was very real.
As is the reverse. See the threads after the rb leipzig game, tactial masterclass etc etc.
It goes both ways
Yup exactly.
Strikes me that these same people said
It's better if we lose so x can replace y
Lvg guarantees success , mourinho guarantees success , nobody can be worse than mourinho etc.
Now even though they have been wrong consistently for several years they still have the arrogance to think it's better if we lose
It's better if we lose so x can replace y
Lvg guarantees success , mourinho guarantees success , nobody can be worse than mourinho etc.
Now even though they have been wrong consistently for several years they still have the arrogance to think it's better if we lose
One extreme then brings out the other extreme.
In reality the answer is probably in the middle.
I dont think he'll take us to the top of the league, i don't think he is good enough, but the players have also let themselves down a bagfull in the pl this year.
Is this satire?
Well said.
Let's go on that 10 games winning run first, that'll put us on top of the league, then see about that, instead of flip flopping each week and imagining such things in our mind. When we had a good run at the end of last season of 5 or so wins in a row, everything here was rosy and positive, and there were hardly any moaning.
And as long as we're not winning big things or challenging for them there'll be complaints regardless of the manager, because we're not supporting Southampton. Get used to that. It's like some want to convince people here to be content with mediocrity and just be glad with anything thrown at them. Well unfortunately for you all we're not that type of a club.
Yeah suppose you know loads of season ticket holders from the Czech Republic.
Out of curiosity have you been to any games at Old Trafford when Ole's had his back against the wall with the media and social media criticism?
I have and the manager has been supported.
Doesn't sit well with me when you see people hoping we lose so he gets sacked. Regardless of what you think of a manager you should never hope for your team to lose.
Be careful.
Just ban people that say that. You get banned for saying less serious things in these parts. Some words are banned because they upset a few people but they don't put the football forum on it's side like these types of comments and threads do. It's obvious that from these comments you can't have a reasonable discussion because it's a black hole for discussions. Sucks anything else in and becomes the sole talking point.
Moyes, LVG and even Mou were supported up to the day each of them picked up their P45. Means nothing.
What's wrong with wanting your team to lose in the short term so that they can win in the long term. I certainly wanted Emery to lose all his matches so that we could see his back asap.
Maybe I don't browse the caf enough, but I haven't seen anybody wanting to see us lose. I saw it during the Moyes era, but I've not seen it under Solskjaer. Not saying that you're wrong though.
I am personally not happy with the manager, but I don't want us to lose. As long as he's here, I want Solskjaer to win. I want him to prove me wrong. But I don't get particularly happy when we win either. We have so many poor games, that to keep my own sanity, I have to remove emotion when I'm watching the team these days. Win or lose, reaction is the same.
That, however, doesn't mean I want Solskjaer to lose so he gets sacked.
I am personally not happy with the manager, but I don't want us to lose. As long as he's here, I want Solskjaer to win. I want him to prove me wrong. But I don't get particularly happy when we win either. We have so many poor games, that to keep my own sanity, I have to remove emotion when I'm watching the team these days. Win or lose, reaction is the same.
That, however, doesn't mean I want Solskjaer to lose so he gets sacked.
There are a number of posters who are so desperate for change that the only way they see us going forward is for us to lose a game and the manager gets sacked. You can feel the disappointment when they realise a win only prolongs their agony in seeing Ole as coach for another game.
Apparently in some people's mind, there's a clear cut definition of a "True Fan". That includes to NEVER want your team lose, for whatever reason. Not even for the bigger picture reasoning. I think it's pretty narrow minded definition. There's always exception to the rule.
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It only makes any kind of sense if you can be certain you will be better in the long term.
As it is it's just their opinion that we'll be brilliant straight away under Poch with barely any basis for it. Just like you are barely any better under Arteta.
I cannot recall a single moment where I have ever wanted United to lose a game, but I certainly cared less about results toward the end of Jose's reign. For example, we were 2-0 down at half-time to last-place Newcastle, then made a comeback in the second half to win 3-2 courtesy of an injury-time winner by Fellaini (I think). I didn't cheer the winner. I knew I was supposed to cheer but couldn't bring myself to do it. It was a weird feeling.
Not sure if it's the same thing the OP is referring to, but it's the closest I've come to not supporting the team.
Jose's last season is this exception i was talking about. The big reason he'd be fired by the Board was when he started losing games.
But some fans just can't see the bigger picture, and stuck to this imaginary definition of "true fan".
That's how Trump in here could still get 70m votes. Fecking 70m, after those 4 years. It's this same thinking that when you're on certain party's member, you should choose Republican whatever the consequence and whatever the big picture look like. It's pretty narrow minded. There should always be an exception to the rule.
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There is a huge difference between creating a positive thread after we win (like the RB Leipzig one) and creating multiple threads that we see after a loss.
If you can't get giddy after a win, and become as happy as a 8 year old entering a candy shop, I'm sorry but there is something wrong with you. Having said that, creating a thread after a loss is perfectly fine as well, as long as it's not about the exact same thing that is being discussed in 10 other threads.
But, what the OP is pointing out, and rightly so, is some of our fans cheering for our opposition. So, you want us to lose a game so that a new manger can win the next game? How about get behind the team so that they win this game and the game after that and after that?! Hell, I don't think there'd be anything better than seeing a club legend win trophies with us. Hell, if you've not shouted or jumped out of your seat after we scored vs Paris or after McT scored vs City, I really hope you pick up any other team or another sport altogether
If you can't get giddy after a win, and become as happy as a 8 year old entering a candy shop, I'm sorry but there is something wrong with you. Having said that, creating a thread after a loss is perfectly fine as well, as long as it's not about the exact same thing that is being discussed in 10 other threads.
But, what the OP is pointing out, and rightly so, is some of our fans cheering for our opposition. So, you want us to lose a game so that a new manger can win the next game? How about get behind the team so that they win this game and the game after that and after that?! Hell, I don't think there'd be anything better than seeing a club legend win trophies with us. Hell, if you've not shouted or jumped out of your seat after we scored vs Paris or after McT scored vs City, I really hope you pick up any other team or another sport altogether
That never gets old. And "go support another club". As you said; logic at its best
How that glory hunting works? So you become fan of some club when you are a kid (i think that 99% of fans start supporting some club while they are kids). And then when you are unhappy with that club, you go support other club? How the feck is that possible? How you can stop supporting one club and start supporting other?
That glory hunting term is a BS.
That glory hunting term is a BS.
I knew a guy who switched from United to Arsenal in like 2010 or something. He was 18 too, so not even a kid. What do you call the opposite of glory hunting?
I'm in Ole in brigade and i'll be back to point fingers at you, negative nancies, after he's smashed the league.
Yes, I will be with you regardless of how long it takes.
Underdog hunting
. Obscurity hunting. "Make me miserable" hunting.