Greg Clarke's "Once in a Generation" FA Reforms; with added racism and sexism

big rons sovereign said:

At no point have I come off offended, or even mentioned being offended. It's just assumed by by senor Montoya and now yourself. Which in itself is part of the problem.
To be fobbed off with "oh you're just showing your white privilege" is utter Bollox. There's no argument, no discussion, it's a case of my opinion is final.
The whole thing is a minefield and to just dismiss every counterpoint as white privilege or racism sets a dangerous precedent.
The guy should have thought before speaking yes, did he intend to come across as offensive? Probably not.
Boris however, is just a horrible arsehole who I doubt gives a shit about anybody other than himself regardless of creed.
How anybody voted for that prick I'll never understand.

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Jeppers7 said:

As a mixed race male, honestly I think society is crippling itself. There’s such a desire to be offended by things that were never meant to be offensive, genuinely. There’s talk about inclusion apparently by grouping even more people together and putting them in a bigger box with a different label.

There will never be true equality, there will always be elements of racism in ALL races because it’s human nature. We group naturally and are naturally wary of things which are different. We have more empathy for things we understand or relate to.

Until a person is just a person, regardless of any other element, the rest is just futile.

I’d take offence when the person remarking is being offensive intently. Taking offence for someone not referring to me in the way in which society might chose to label me at any given juncture is pathetic. I’m more offended by modern terminology.

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Mogget said:

And it's your right to have that opinion. But it doesn't mean it's right, or that it's shared by other minorities.

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Jeppers7 said:

But that’s exactly my point, I’m an individual and I don’t want to be grouped with ‘others minorities’ In a box with a label. I’m not sure how it can be wrong to not take offence to something that was never meant to offend me genuinely.

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Mogget said:

I was talking about your first sentence, how you think society is crippling itself.

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Judas said:

Coloured has been a racist term in England for at least 20 years, and probably much longer than that. How out of touch are some of you?

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DOTA said:

And it's good that these people aren't chair of the FA.

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Gazza said:

Absolutely - there is a joke in The Office (which was what, 2001?) about Gareth using that word, precisely to show how out of touch he is!

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hobbers said:

Yeh, but I'd say some of the other stuff he said was a lot worse, at least from a non-politically correct point of view.

Why he felt compelled to talk about the racial demographics of the IT department, or mention that girls hate getting the ball kicked at them, god only knows.

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Gazza said:

Absolutely - there is a joke in The Office (which was what, 2001?) about Gareth using that word, precisely to show how out of touch he is!

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Inigo Montoya said:

It was about Guy ‘Dambuster’ Gibson’s black lab which he named ‘Nigger,’ The name has been edited out of recent showings of the movie but was greeted with a lot of criticism by those who felt it still should have been included for historical accuracy.

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Sparky Rhiwabon said:

I posted the clip earlier in this thread!

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Gazza said:

That's not the joke I was referring to. The one I was on about was posted earlier in this thread - Gareth says that his father is not as wise on modern terminology as he is, evidenced by the fact that his dad still says "darkies... instead of coloureds". The joke is pretty clear here, I'd say!

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Jeppers7 said:

But that’s exactly my point, I’m an individual and I don’t want to be grouped with ‘others minorities’ In a box with a label. I’m not sure how it can be wrong to not take offence to something that was never meant to offend me genuinely.

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mancan92 said:

Because its not about whether you as an individual takes offence. If phrases and words have been used to attack, belittle or destroy the lives of people of colour then it is a level of respect to the people before us who took the abuse to allow us to live the lives we do. Whether that's your grand father or great grandmother these things have been used against them. So the least we could do to respect what they went through is make sure these words or phrases are not used to destroy any other person of colour in the current or future.

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Jeppers7 said:

I’m always against people being destroyed.

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mancan92 said:

OK that's great mate but probably means that we stop using the terms that was used to hurt millions of people for decades.

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Jeppers7 said:

It’s up to you what you deem as offensive and to what degree you consider yourself as hurt for your counterparts. Similar for me mate, I’ll make my own decisions on what offends me, based on intention and malice. I can’t be offended for everyone who has ever lived.

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Jeppers7 said:

As a mixed race male, honestly I think society is crippling itself. There’s such a desire to be offended by things that were never meant to be offensive, genuinely. There’s talk about inclusion apparently by grouping even more people together and putting them in a bigger box with a different label.

There will never be true equality, there will always be elements of racism in ALL races because it’s human nature. We group naturally and are naturally wary of things which are different. We have more empathy for things we understand or relate to.

Until a person is just a person, regardless of any other element, the rest is just futile.

I’d take offence when the person remarking is being offensive intently. Taking offence for someone not referring to me in the way in which society might chose to label me at any given juncture is pathetic. I’m more offended by modern terminology.

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DOTA said:

Replacing his last name with a homophobic slur is doing nothing to help the issue here. Reported.

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Tony247 said:

You live in a world of 'sense' and you indentify 'nonsense'. But nonsense is often noisy and fights hard to settle down. Once settled nonsense attracts and gathers more nonsense. As the crowd of nonsense gets bigger it legitimizes itself. Once legitimized the nonsense becomes mainstream. Then one day you wake up and realize yesterday's nonsense has become today's sense and yesterday's sense is now today's nonsense.

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mancan92 said:

No I'm not saying what I feel is offensive I'm saying words and phrases that were used to damage our fathers, mothers, grandparents great grandparents etc. The least we could do as their descendants (who are benefiting from the great terrors that they went through and fought to get out of) is to make sure that those phrases are not longer used to attack current or future generations.

Its not about us. It's about respecting who came before us and who will be around after us. The point is just because you personally don't get offended doesn't mean it wasn't used to attack others and to stop the attack on others it needs to be made clear that these words or phrases are not acceptable.

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Jeppers7 said:

Personally I believe until everyone is willing to move on....we won’t move on.

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mancan92 said:

Ignoring what happened in the past is not moving on its disrespecting the past and leaving us open to making the same mistakes again. Moving on is correcting and balancing out the injustices that exist in the world. In a perfect world we would all forget and move forward but it is ridiculously far from a perfect world. So we can't Bury our heads in the sand.

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