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Pep's got a real unexpected boost for the title this season looking at Liverpool's injuries/virus stuff.
Can he get his gang up to speed though, as centre back pairing aside they look well off their top level, in all positions except for De Bruyne's one.
 

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Guardiola's record in the Premier League with Man City is no more impressive than that of the managers before him. Guardiola's record in the Champions League is no more impressive than that of the managers before him. Guardiola has spent much, much more than any other manager in the English league. If Guardiola deserves more credit, how much credit do the other managers deserve who have done as much with less resources? Particularly as these other managers built up the core of Guardiola's team.

Maybe another question to ask would be, Guardiola vs Pellegrini: who was better?
But surely you should also look at style of play, points total, goal difference, etc.? Otherwise you'll always have to consider two managers winning the league as exactly equally good. That doesn't make much sense. And arguably, the way Pep won the league with City is quite different from what his predecessors did.

I actually think with the right owners in place, he could have won the league at Anfield. He was a very good manager who was shafted by our owners post 2007 and he was never really given a chance by them. It's no coincidence that Benitez took Liverpool to the number 1 ranked team in Europe during his tenure. He understandably gets a lot of stick on here but he will always be one of my favourite ever Liverpool managers
Benitez seems to me the kind of manager who can set up teams to win everywhere, which is why Liverpool was in with a shout for lots of things - but can't install the machine-like ruthlessness to grind out win after win in the league throughout the season against all levels of opposition. I might be wrong though; you'll have followed him much more closely.
 

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Guardiola's record in the Premier League with Man City is no more impressive than that of the managers before him. Guardiola's record in the Champions League is no more impressive than that of the managers before him. Guardiola has spent much, much more than any other manager in the English league. If Guardiola deserves more credit, how much credit do the other managers deserve who have done as much with less resources? Particularly as these other managers built up the core of Guardiola's team.

Maybe another question to ask would be, Guardiola vs Pellegrini: who was better?
Pellegrini was great in his first season but that was mainly thanks to foundations Mancini built (also Fernandinho's transfer was already agreed in January '13) but his next two seasons were a disgrace. He was so bad that City were looking at Tata Martino and Benitez in summer 2015 to replace him. If people want to compare Guardiola with a previous City manager it should be Mancini who was so much closer to City fans, respected the club's history much more and had better ideas where to improve his squad - he knew City lacked a goal-scoring winger, a DM who would allow him to switch between 3 and 4 at the back and a quality partner to Kompany.
 

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I have already replied to several posts similar to yours and do not want to be repetitive. I just wonder why you write Barca with a ç in an English speaking forum?
No you kept saying he always had the best players, i proved that it isn't true.
I don't see what difference the ç makes though, especially given the fact that Barcelona isn't an English team.
 

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Pep's got a real unexpected boost for the title this season looking at Liverpool's injuries/virus stuff.
Can he get his gang up to speed though, as centre back pairing aside they look well off their top level, in all positions except for De Bruyne's one.
If he cant then I'll be joining the "He's a fraudiola" gang.
 

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Guardiola's record in the Premier League with Man City is no more impressive than that of the managers before him. Guardiola's record in the Champions League is no more impressive than that of the managers before him. Guardiola has spent much, much more than any other manager in the English league. If Guardiola deserves more credit, how much credit do the other managers deserve who have done as much with less resources? Particularly as these other managers built up the core of Guardiola's team.

Maybe another question to ask would be, Guardiola vs Pellegrini: who was better?
This is silly. Pep is the first manager to win back to back premier league titles since SAF. That's a very difficult feat (although Klopp will probably also do it this year). His team's achieved ludicrous points totals of 95 plus two seasons running. The performance levels they hit were pretty special.

But it's a difference in perspective. For people who focus only on goals, assists and trophies, sure you can dumb it down to X league titles 0 CL hence nothing changed. But if you focus on peformances, if you focus on quality, then of course City have hit their peak under Pep and comfortably so.

Where he does deserve some flak is the signings in defence. A lot of money spent and although two PL titles were won, they shouldn't still have that many holes given the backing.
 

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No you kept saying he always had the best players, i proved that it isn't true.
I don't see what difference the ç makes though, especially given the fact that Barcelona isn't an English team.
You did not prove it, I jist have no interest making the same point for a 100th time.

I asked about the
ç as it makes me suspect you are a fan of theirs.
 

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I actually think with the right owners in place, he could have won the league at Anfield. He was a very good manager who was shafted by our owners post 2007 and he was never really given a chance by them. It's no coincidence that Benitez took Liverpool to the number 1 ranked team in Europe during his tenure. He understandably gets a lot of stick on here but he will always be one of my favourite ever Liverpool managers
I’m sorry, what now?
 

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This is silly. Pep is the first manager to win back to back premier league titles since SAF. That's a very difficult feat (although Klopp will probably also do it this year). His team's achieved ludicrous points totals of 95 plus two seasons running. The performance levels they hit were pretty special.

But it's a difference in perspective. For people who focus only on goals, assists and trophies, sure you can dumb it down to X league titles 0 CL hence nothing changed. But if you focus on peformances, if you focus on quality, then of course City have hit their peak under Pep and comfortably so.

Where he does deserve some flak is the signings in defence. A lot of money spent and although two PL titles were won, they shouldn't still have that many holes given the backing.
Nah, I’m not having that, Amol.

I mean, I do take all of your points, but Guardiola is rightly judged by a different yardstick because of his reputation and the fawning that is associated with his career.

You can’t take the adulation without also being subject to scrutiny when you fail to hit the high notes.

Given the level of investment and backing, if he fails to win the title or CL this season then you have to say that his time at City amounts to an okay spell and nothing more, especially relative to achievements from other managers.
 

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As i suspected Pep will renew with City but in the way he did it at Barca - year after year.. I think he will be City manager for 2 max 3 more years

Pep Guardiola's #ManCity contract will now be renewed on a yearly basis, with a decision expected to be made in March or April. [via
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Do you think that ranking has any credibility, really?

By that point, United were on their way to a third successive PL title, having also won a CL and about to get to another final.

Benitez was a good manager for Liverpool and you had a very good side at that stage, but the best in Europe? Not a chance.
I didn't say best in Europe, I said number 1 ranked team.
 

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You did not prove it, I jist have no interest making the same point for a 100th time.

I asked about the
ç as it makes me suspect you are a fan of theirs.
This really doesn't make any sense.

And i'm sorry but your post reads as "yeah i don't have any argument to support my opinion, but i know i'm right"...
 

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Pep's got a real unexpected boost for the title this season looking at Liverpool's injuries/virus stuff.
Can he get his gang up to speed though, as centre back pairing aside they look well off their top level, in all positions except for De Bruyne's one.
The main boost is just vvd being out for quite long. Man city has had injuries and virus issues of their own to important players, this season, and injuries last season etc. I dun see it as particularly note worthy to their chances. The big factor is I think this season their players are not respondibg to him as well. 5 years maybe too long for manager of his intensity nowadays
 

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As i suspected Pep will renew with City but in the way he did it at Barca - year after year.. I think he will be City manager for 2 max 3 more years
Interesting. Seems reasonable to everyone I guess. I was pretty sure this season will be his last there
 

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I think for Pep when he leaves City there's only one destination he's interested in and that's Italy but I have no idea which club there would actually fit him now or in near future so makes sense to extend with City.
 

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You'd presume he'd been made some very MASSIVE promises to stick around, because he doesn't act like a bloke who has years left in him at City, and the team look a bit broken.
 

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Yeah, it was reported during summer that Messi wants to play only under Pep in those last years of his career so we'll see. I'm a bit surprised by this announcement, mainly when most people thought Pep won't decide before January.
 

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Bit surprised he's signed a new contract at this point. I thought for sure he'd see out his current deal and leave. Certainly the way he's acted and been looking made me think that way. Good news for them I guess, though I've read a bit of discontent on the Blue moon meltdown thread recently, but I've no idea if that's an feeling shared by rational City fans. :lol:
 

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I like having Pep in the league. I enjoy his football. Happy to continue having it easier to watch. Crazy that it ends up being City of all places that he stays at more than any other club.

With him being confirmed to stay, I can see City going big on revamping their team in the upcoming transfer windows, which is never good news for us.
 

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Bit surprised he's signed a new contract at this point. I thought for sure he'd see out his current deal and leave. Certainly the way he's acted and been looking made me think that way. Good news for them I guess, though I've read a bit of discontent on the Blue moon meltdown thread recently, but I've no idea if that's an feeling shared by rational City fans. :lol:
I'm delighted, centre defence looks solid now but lb and rb is still creaky so be interesting to see if he can get a new left back and possibly a DM, deffo need a new striker so exciting times ahead
 

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of all the teams he's managed it's fecking City that he stays the longest at. weird
 

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Staying because of Covid....?

Where else could he go now? Spanish clubs are ruined financially especially Barcelona. Though he could still go back eventually. I though he might have gone to Juve but guess he didn't fancy it.

Staying at City now the logical choice, could have been different without the pandemic but we'll never know.
 

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of all the teams he's managed it's fecking City that he stays the longest at. weird
The way I see it it's more like, where would he go next? For some reason he never struck me as someone that would be interested in PSG. In Italian football I can see him at Juventus, but maybe things aren't right for that move yet? After Barcelona and Bayern Munich, there aren't many places he can go when he leaves City.
 

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It's a bit strange. He look miserable and like he cant wait to bail out there for a while. Not to mention that it seems restructuring and renewing the team isn't going according to plan. At least for now. Maybe he's staying cause he's planning to buy 2 CBs in the summer, they're in a dire need.
 

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The way I see it it's more like, where would he go next? For some reason he never struck me as someone that would be interested in PSG. In Italian football I can see him at Juventus, but maybe things aren't right for that move yet? After Barcelona and Bayern Munich, there aren't many places he can go when he leaves City.
juve would be the logical move, yeah. maybe he really wants another CL as opposed to a new league title so figures City are his best bet at that.
 

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juve would be the logical move, yeah. maybe he really wants another CL as opposed to a new league title so figures City are his best bet at that.
I think this is high on his agenda, without a doubt. Added to that there aren't many clubs that can give him the financial freedom that City do. Even PSG spend nowhere near the amount as City.
 

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I think this is high on his agenda, without a doubt. Added to that there aren't many clubs that can give him the financial freedom that City do. Even PSG spend nowhere near the amount as City.
just wait for Messi to reunite with him now, too