Is that now 5 home league games and 1 goal from open play? And that was in the first game. Would love someone to put this to ole. At first it was lack of a pre season then lack of crowd wonder what the latest spin on our general crapness is? But it's ok, he's got rid of some deadwood and given new contracts to others who shouldn't be anywhere near the 1st team squad and he's also improved the environment around the club. Get rid!!
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Each to their own but I've watched all of our games this season and we absolutely have been really bad more than really good, especially at home. We shouldn't be this inconsistent after two years in charge and all that money spent, it's unacceptable.
The mindset of Ole supporters in just like that of Trump supporters, their "savior" can do no wrong, everything is someone else's fault, and they have a plan in motion that's always just around the corner, despite there being no actual observable evidence of said plain.
What utter, generalising drivel.
Consistency is arguably (I'd say definitely) the hardest thing to get right in football though. To be able to build a team that can go out and perform well, or shall we say near to the limits of their capabilities, more often than not. Its easy to identify the ones that manage it. They are the ones that are lifting the trophy in May.
Thats where we are at now as a football club and why I still support Ole. I think hes done a pretty decent job of restructuring our squad of players in his first 2 years. More than decent actually. It still has its problems though, and those problems would prevent any new manager from getting that consistency too IMO.
I dont know if Ole will be able to coax a consistently high level out of this team, but I definitely think he has earned the right to try, and I don't see anyone out there (available) that I think is definitely more likely to achieve it.
7 points of the top with a game in hand... It's not that bad though is it?
Its posts like this that get peoples backs up and help to ensure that this civil war never ends
No its not that bad. We are doing well in a CL group few gave us hope of getting out of. The league is still taking shape, and as you say we are still in the pack. There is still everything to play for this season.
This is where people’s opinions diverge.
In response to your statement, no it’s not that bad and I don’t believe Ole should go because of that.
My problem is what my eyes are watching almost every match. I’m not a fan that demands wins, or demands trophies and unparalleled success. I want to be entertained though. I want to see good movement on and off the ball. I want to see fluid and coordinated attacking play. Rarely do we see this.
I want an identity.
We’ve been poor but in general so has everyone else. We’re lucky no one has been able to pull away.
That said I wouldn’t be in a rush to sack Ole and get someone else in. I think he’s earned the right to see out this season at least.
How have you managed 3 likes.
Typical inflammatory, idiotic comment.
Being in 9th position after only eight games is hardly cause for celebration, and given that we've performed well below par in pretty much every game we've played to date, that gap is far more likely to increase over the course of the season.
Ole usually has a purple patch somewhere in the season where he wins 10 games in a row and Liverpool and City don't look like unbeatable forces this year. I think we'll be closer to the top than before.
I am the one who can go over the top defending thing but it is only reaction on this witchhunt. Some posters here need to be given answers in the same way.
The purple patch is usually caused by something. The first was new manager bounce, the second was Bruno coming in as well as Rashford and Pogba returning from injuries.
That's a bold statement considering we've shown nothing in our games so far to back it up.
Are you sure you're not just being optimistic?
Well the season is still long, there's plenty of opportunities to kickstart a purple patch.
Greenwood returning to form might be one.
No it's not that we are a lot better, it just seems everyone else is not as good.
Relying on 'purple patches' is not a sustainable approach to football in a league as competitive as the Prem.
Hi Ole! Please play DVB more.
Looking at pure numbers, we had 13 points from our first 10 fixtures last season. I think Liverpool had 30. We were already done for.
I really do think this whole season is going to be a struggle for everybody, and quality of football will suffer. Too many games in a shorter season will take its toll on players for certain.
Its not unreasonable to think that the league table will be far more compressed this season, so for me just keeping in the pack is important until we get to matchday 25 or thereabouts, then the team that finds that run of form are quite likely to win it.
I mean 3 points is 3 points for sure but we actually made it harder for ourselves by playing Matic and Fred in midfield. It played into WBA's hands having such a slow static midfield.
Its not about form or fans being blind to the impact COVID is having on other teams, its that Ole just doesn't seem to have the tactical nous for united to be a dominant force. We got extremely lucky in how those penalty decisions went and I'm not sure how we would have coped having to chase the game at 1-0 but with Johnstone in top form and our attacking line devoid of ideas I wouldn't have banked on it.
Being subjective: I don't want him to fail or getting the sack.
Being objective: There are few, if any, indications that we are going in the right direction.
Being objective: There are few, if any, indications that we are going in the right direction.
For some reason some believe that managers should only be judged when everything is rosey for them. When there are no injuries, all players are on form, when they get every single player they asked for in market and everyone is fit.
All these situations happen for every manager in every club and it's always about how they deal with such circumstances to get results, but in United they are used as excuses.
The positives from yday were the 3 points mainly. The attackers all had mediocre games and the midfield balance is still an issue. Matic in the current form really needs to be played in non PL games. We need to quickly gain some consistency in performances so that we build some momentum and get points on the board.
I don't think he wants to play negatively, it's just that we're clueless in the final third. The players constantly look like they need a kick up the arse when they're in possession and there's no tempo or intensity.
We need to show progress in these games ASAP though because with performances like yesterday, we're not gonna be getting the results he needs consistently.
We need to show progress in these games ASAP though because with performances like yesterday, we're not gonna be getting the results he needs consistently.
Another positive is that matches only last 90 minutes. I couldn’t have taken much more.
See, that's the problem right there.
Our poor start to the season forces us to rely on a moment of good fortune or inspiration to go on winning run, which is not a sustainable approach for a football club of United's stature. One that has spent millions upon millions to build a squad intended to challenge for the title, yet we're no closer to achieving that goal now than before Ole took charge.
Ole has spent wisely in the transfer market (relatively speaking) but I don't think he has the ability, neither as a manager or a coach, to take this team to the level required to compete with the likes of City or Liverpool.
Do we make progress in any measurable level?
Is our results above or below expected standard taking into acount our spending power and high wage structure?
Do we have any form of playing style except counter attacking?
Do we look organized in any part of the game? Defense? Offense? Possession? High press in the final third ?
Is there any form of pattern in our game? Triangles? Verticle movements? High tempo with passes? Do we use wide on a regular basis to create spaces against a low block defense?
How many of our players act comfortable and play regular to their ability in Ole´s set up?
Do we look like a hungry team where all of our players insert maximum effort to win our matches?
Do we look like a team in harmony and mental balance?
Can we on a regular basis create chances against all sorts of defending?
The list can goes on but the crucial question is do we progress in a positive manner with Ole at the wheel or do we start to stagnate and rely on individual random performances in order to win matches?
Many of us us has come to the conclusion that we see stagnation regarding playing style and organization. That reflects our results.
Many players regress quality wise both in individual situations and as team players. Our defense, our possession game and our offensive game looks more disorganized then ever with Ole half sleeping in the stands. Our wins against PSG and RBL can't be defelcted and ignored but for every good match there is a couple of mediocre matches where we barely creates anything and if we wins it's more because of luck than anything else. Thats a worrying pattern.
Without Bruno we're probably a relegation team. That's the hard truth. Our wins against Brighton and WBA was more luck then the fruits of coaching or good management. Thats why we need a new manager.
Right now we underperform taking into account the quality of our players and all the recourses to Ole's disposal.
Is our results above or below expected standard taking into acount our spending power and high wage structure?
Do we have any form of playing style except counter attacking?
Do we look organized in any part of the game? Defense? Offense? Possession? High press in the final third ?
Is there any form of pattern in our game? Triangles? Verticle movements? High tempo with passes? Do we use wide on a regular basis to create spaces against a low block defense?
How many of our players act comfortable and play regular to their ability in Ole´s set up?
Do we look like a hungry team where all of our players insert maximum effort to win our matches?
Do we look like a team in harmony and mental balance?
Can we on a regular basis create chances against all sorts of defending?
The list can goes on but the crucial question is do we progress in a positive manner with Ole at the wheel or do we start to stagnate and rely on individual random performances in order to win matches?
Many of us us has come to the conclusion that we see stagnation regarding playing style and organization. That reflects our results.
Many players regress quality wise both in individual situations and as team players. Our defense, our possession game and our offensive game looks more disorganized then ever with Ole half sleeping in the stands. Our wins against PSG and RBL can't be defelcted and ignored but for every good match there is a couple of mediocre matches where we barely creates anything and if we wins it's more because of luck than anything else. Thats a worrying pattern.
Without Bruno we're probably a relegation team. That's the hard truth. Our wins against Brighton and WBA was more luck then the fruits of coaching or good management. Thats why we need a new manager.
Right now we underperform taking into account the quality of our players and all the recourses to Ole's disposal.
I imagine it'd be similar to the way some people can watch Ole managing us and still think he's the man to take us forward. Quite incomprehensible.
Honestly, dumb comments like the quoted one should be out-of-bounds for this thread if we want some serious discussion instead of smart arses trying to flex their comedic skill and patently failing.
mmmm. Do you know something we dont? Who is the new manager?
I honestly don't get why both us and City fans keep talking about the game in hand when we don't even know when it'll be played.
Its not a problem. Its a strategy. A pretty good one in my view, unless you believe we're good enough to blow this league apart and win it by 10 points.
Grealish would have been he equivalent of VDB. Coming on with a few minutes to go. Ole wouldnt have a clue how to play him as it would mean the double defensive pivot would have to go.
How is a lucky 1-0 via a twice taken pen and the other side being denied a clear cut pen a well won game? They could have had a foul just prior to our pen and they also hit the bar.
We havent won the next 2 games yet though. Saints and W Ham away. Dont think it will be that easy.
Guess it hurts, when someone holds up a mirror.
There's a real danger of keeping an inadequate manager on for too long. Good players get perceived as deadwood, and eventually another "rebuild" has to happen before the new manager can be evaluated on anything.
This has already started happening, which is why I was adamant we should have replaced Ole when our stock was still high last season. For instance Pogba's already been given up on. And even if I say fair enough let him be sold as deadwood, the same thing seems to be happening to Martial right now who was our POTY last year. And it's guaranteed that they won't be the last; the only players somewhat exempt are the relatively new players, and even amongst those someone like Donny is being misused.
A good manager would make these players perform at least level with their valuations, so even if we sell them it won't be as "deadwood", at very reduced prices. We're damaging our assets the longer we hold on to a manager that can't elevate them, and if this keeps going on there will soon be talk of yet another very expensive rebuild.
This has already started happening, which is why I was adamant we should have replaced Ole when our stock was still high last season. For instance Pogba's already been given up on. And even if I say fair enough let him be sold as deadwood, the same thing seems to be happening to Martial right now who was our POTY last year. And it's guaranteed that they won't be the last; the only players somewhat exempt are the relatively new players, and even amongst those someone like Donny is being misused.
A good manager would make these players perform at least level with their valuations, so even if we sell them it won't be as "deadwood", at very reduced prices. We're damaging our assets the longer we hold on to a manager that can't elevate them, and if this keeps going on there will soon be talk of yet another very expensive rebuild.
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