I think we signed him already considering him as an option if Kovac got sacked. Personally I was very sceptical, but he’s obviously delivering. If he wasn’t, he’d be gone by now.
Get behind the manager and club
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Get behind Pogba too and all those underperforming. They need our support
The manager deserves criticism isn't what's happening. The manager should be sacked is what's happening. People were calling for him to be sacked after our 3rd game on here. Pathetic.
Exactly, many things are wrong but it seems like our fans only voice their displeasure towards the CEO and owners during the transfer market because they dont get a shiny new toy, after that the displeasure for the whole season is on the manager.
Look at Jose - he is backed as manager and he is delivering
Ole wants to play 4-2-3-1 and we bought him another CAM when we have no RW.
You can talk about style and what not, if Klopp didnt get the players to suit his style, he wont do what he is now.
Same goes with every manager.
Pogba wants to leave. I won't get behind him anymore. He doesn't try because if he did he'd be in the team and be one of our best players. But he cba as usual.
Right but "get behind the manager" generally implies that we shouldn't be criticizing him. Never mind those wanting him sacked after three days, it sounds like you think we shouldn't be criticizing him at all and should simply be "behind" him in every way. That we shouldn't come on here after poor performances/defeats and say that he did a bad job?
We CAN come on here and criticize the players though, right?
When are people gonna stop pretending that the season is over after 8 games? People are already saying that Lampard, Rodgers and Mourinho are outperforming Ole despite him outplacing all of them last season. Jesus... You'd think we were 15 points behind them with the same amount of games played if your read some of these comments out of context.
Criticism and calling for the sack are two different things.
No one would say anything if he made the wrong selection and tactic and we lost saying what was he thinking, instead its Ole out at all times.
With players, I don't see fans saying Bruno out because he misplaced a few passes?
Most of us think that our 12/13 players are good and can improve.
It’s not so much about the results (which have been shit as well) but much more about the football at show. With the players we have a better manager would do better. Pretty simple.
Oh look. Another "think and say exactly what I think and say or you're not a fan" thread... 
If our club followed the mindset of the Ole outers we'd have missed out on the most glorious period in our entire history as Fergie wouldn't have even been manager when the PL debuted.
Criticising the manager is fine. I do it too. But people don't and just say sack him. There's a difference.
Some fans may do that but not me. While I have my opinions on Ole I have constantly voiced my anger with how the owners, Woodward and co are operating in the transfer windows. Most of our problems imo stems from upstairs but that doesn't mean Ole or any other manager should get a free pass.
Our recent game is a prime example. There is absolutely in no way shape or form even remotely possible to blame the board for that disgusting performance against one of the top 3 worst sides in the league. And the problem is, under Ole we've seen far too many of those performances. Never have I said we are not allowed to have a bad game, it happens, it's football but under Ole I've seen enough now to comfortably state he won't take us anywhere.
The only way people are going to get behind the team is through results. Sadly, despite what anyone can say or do on here, that is the only measure.
I think its right to point out certain mitigating circumstances in defence of the manager. We didn't get a pre-season, and our early season form did suffer because of that. We didn't meet expectations in the transfer market this summer, and failed to take advantage of our restored CL status. Those are valid mitigating circumstances, but as said a lot of our fanbase just won't care about that. It's the pressure that a United manager operates under. Results & performances are everything.
Nobody is going to get behind the manager and the team if they are not already there. Not unless we win a LOT of football matches. Fortunately, in my view anyway, the club still seem to be fully behind this so if anybody is not enjoying being a United fan for whatever reason, then this is going to be a long season for you.
I think its right to point out certain mitigating circumstances in defence of the manager. We didn't get a pre-season, and our early season form did suffer because of that. We didn't meet expectations in the transfer market this summer, and failed to take advantage of our restored CL status. Those are valid mitigating circumstances, but as said a lot of our fanbase just won't care about that. It's the pressure that a United manager operates under. Results & performances are everything.
Nobody is going to get behind the manager and the team if they are not already there. Not unless we win a LOT of football matches. Fortunately, in my view anyway, the club still seem to be fully behind this so if anybody is not enjoying being a United fan for whatever reason, then this is going to be a long season for you.
Which is funny as pretty much after every game with or without a certain player’s involvement people scream for him to be sold.
And don’t get me wrong. Many players don’t deserve the contract they’re on here. But same goes for managers. Why not ask for their sacking if you believe it’s best for the club
It's been a disappointment, given the post-lock down run of form. The transfer window also feels like a missed opportunity.
We're not going to get relegated, but realistically, we're in for yet another 'top four battle' (our eighth in eight years?). The fact that the club is still unable to break out of the post-Ferguson malaise, is just a bit depressing really.
We'll get hammered a few times, we'll hand out some hammerings, we'll yo-yo between 3rd and 7th and finish somewhere in/around the CL places, without winning anything of note. I think it's the "same shit, different year" stuff that is starting to grate on people after almost a decade.
We're not going to get relegated, but realistically, we're in for yet another 'top four battle' (our eighth in eight years?). The fact that the club is still unable to break out of the post-Ferguson malaise, is just a bit depressing really.
We'll get hammered a few times, we'll hand out some hammerings, we'll yo-yo between 3rd and 7th and finish somewhere in/around the CL places, without winning anything of note. I think it's the "same shit, different year" stuff that is starting to grate on people after almost a decade.
Says it all if you think Ole's situation is remotely comparable to SAF's. The mind of a romanticist longing for a time and story that is no longer feasible.
That‘s simply not true and completely ignores context. Fergie actually came with a very good CV and didn’t have the player material Ole has now
Ah that one again. Remind me how the last 3 managers did again. All far more experienced than Ole.
He came 3rd in his first season. He deserves this one at least. If we finish outside top 4 come May then there's a discussion to be had. We don't sack a a manager after 3,4,5,6 games. We're not that type of club.
Ole has had 1 full season and come 3rd. Does he not deserve this season then?
I agree with that. I am not saying Ole is going to win us the league. If he was replaced, I wouldnt be surprised or wouldn't have a problem because I do think a better coach / manager would get more out of this team.
However; saying that the blame has nothing to the board is wrong because;
1. Ole wanted to get rid of certain players and the board couldn't which meant he couldnt get the players he wanted.
2. They failed to deliver a RW and CB
We clearly need a RW in this team, if you are going to appoint a manager who wants to play 4-2-3-1, you surely know that he needs wingers, so giving him 3 CAM's is kind of dumb.
It puts unnecessary pressure on the manager "why isnt Donny playing". If he had a RW signed, I am sure he would play most games.
Ole's coming up on 2 years in charge and we have a top 3 squad in the league, yet don't know how to build up play at all. He just isn't a good coach. You don't get behind someone because of blind faith. Wishing him to learn how to be a good coach for United won't make it happen. He just isn't. We are a very poorly coached team and thats blatantly obvious. Yes, we all want us to win and do well, but realistically we aren't doing anything other than a top 4 fight with Ole, regardless of the players we have.
No reason to read any further after such terrible opening line.
Ole finished 3rd. This season isn't finished. It's barely got going in truth. If he fails to make top 4 then you have a point. Sacking a manager because we've won 4 from first 8 is just mind bogglingly mental.
Saying Ole is not the manager to take us forward or saying he has to improve tactically is one thing but some of the posters just resort to abusing him by calling him a PE teacher or a championship level manager or a failed cardiff manager or that he doesn't know anything about management. It's not black and white. I cannot stand Moyes but I will not call him the worst manager because that's a stupid statement. I saw someone in the sack ole thread say Jose's worst season was better than Ole's period. I mean post like that are bs. I get that we all are emotional people but let us not abuse Ole just because you don't rate him.
I've said this before. Too many people here think Man Utd have a divine right to be a title contender every campaign. You need to get past this thinking as the PL is changing and more and more clubs are fielding quality teams that can compete in any match.
On the flipside of that I find it quite tedious and embarrassing constantly having to read posters claiming that fans standards have dropped. It should be taken as read that everybody wants United to win titles again, but there are differing opinions about the best way to get there and how difficult that may or may not be.
No I don't think he deserves a full season if it's clear we aren't progressing under him, but now is probably still to early. Can't see him lasting anyway if we continue playing like we are and getting results like this, but that's for another thread.
I just think it's funny that you're telling everyone to get behind the manager and the club, but not the players, because getting behind the players doesn't fit in with the narrative that they're the ones to blame, not Ole.
The complacency that's setting into our fanbase now is hard to watch. This isn't about points totals, it's about what we're seeing on the pitch - we were comprehensively outplayed by bloody Brighton, we needed a huge slice of luck to beat WBA who have the worst defence in the league and haven't won a game...the only game where we turned up for 90mins was Everton and it's no wonder because it's the same every time with this team - only when the pressure is firmly on Ole will they kick into gear.
This essentially is Ole's reign at United in a nutshell.
This essentially is Ole's reign at United in a nutshell.
- Takes over as caretaker, Mou's system but with happy players. Pressure to perform as new manager & a great run follows.
- Players beat PSG away, complacency comes in and we have a truly awful (to the point Ole seemed like he might get sacked) run to the end of the season.
- However, early days and we are still a bit scarred from the LVG/Mou experiences. He seems a safe short term bet and expectations are low - top four is all he needs to achieve.
- New season, less pressure given 'rebuild' narrative despite heavy spending it is a horrendous start. Ole is up for the chop again & it is widely reported he will be fired if he loses to Spurs or City.
- With the pressure now back on, we beat both Spurs and City and embark on another great run + Bruno arrives and things look promising again. We scrape top four on the last day, he has achieved the minimum expectation.
- New season, awful start. Football is the same as it was on day one. Pressure naturally mounts more quickly this time, Ole up for the chop again if he loses to Everton.... team turns up and puts in a solid performance.
- We were awful versus WBA and a miracle penalty turnover saved us, we have a really good team on paper but it's been nearly 2 years now. Mediocrity is becoming the norm, not the exception under Ole.
Nobody does that and Ole hasn’t only been here for 8 games. It’s the complete lack of progress or gameplan after almost two years that make people wonder whether he is the right man
Joint 3rd most pts in the league since he took over (spanning 3 seasons). Joint with Chelsea but we've played a game less.
Utter rubbish. People were calling for his head after our 3rd league game. These people aren't fans.
Do you think twitter fans saying Ole out will have him lose his job? The problem is not the manager.
The board is the biggest problem. Like you say, if its best for the club, why not sack him? If the board wanted the best for the club, they wouldn't have hired him as a manager.
We can scream all we like, all its doing is putting pressure on the manager and is having a result on team performances.
The hierarchy accept this, which is the problem, if we wanted to act how our fans think we should act as a big club, they would be making big tough decisions before they are forced to make them.
Sums it up well. Although I don’t think that our good performances come from big pressure. Otherwise Ole would have got us the EL last season. It’s got more to do with our team performing well in an underdog situation when we have space to counter attack. Which isn’t the case in most our games but seemingly enough to save Ole his job time and time again.
I think a lot of posters here resort to negativity in what is a negative time not only for us as a club but the whole world. Everyone wants a bit of comfort.
We see United as a way to uplift ourselves in what are depressing days for a lot of people. So it’s accentuated these days.
To all of them I say... stand by your club and your manager. If it all goes horribly wrong, no need to resort to ugliness, lament it. I don’t believe that Ole is inept nor do I believe he is a genius. He cares deeply about the club and does what he can. If we finish Christmas and we’re 20 points off the top 4 - then he absolutely deserves to go.
But until we live in that reality... support him.people get better at their jobs, I know I did.
We see United as a way to uplift ourselves in what are depressing days for a lot of people. So it’s accentuated these days.
To all of them I say... stand by your club and your manager. If it all goes horribly wrong, no need to resort to ugliness, lament it. I don’t believe that Ole is inept nor do I believe he is a genius. He cares deeply about the club and does what he can. If we finish Christmas and we’re 20 points off the top 4 - then he absolutely deserves to go.
But until we live in that reality... support him.people get better at their jobs, I know I did.
So he's had 1 full season in charge and finished as high up in the league as possible. No way we were finishing top 2.
And we've started with 4 wins from 8 and now he should be sacked ? Hahahahaha. What a load of nonsense. He's more than deserved to finish this season. If we don't finish top 4 then there's a decision to be had. But sacking him when top 4 is well and truly still within our grasp is dumbest thing I have heard.
Totally agree with the sentiments in this thread. A lot here are acting as if it's the end if the world. As for me the same argument would apply if I thought Ole was the 2nd coming of SAF after end of last season. He deserves criticism which I believe would be justified. But the majority here don't do that. They claim pe teacher no tactics worse than Moyes etc and expect it is right because United should have higher "standards" . Its just an excuse to moan and rant and the same lot would be here the first time we face a down time under the next coach. Entitled fans indeed.
What the feck are you on about? I just said it's too early to sack him so why are you talking like that to me?
There is no point in keeping him for a full season if by Jan/Feb it looks like we won't get top four under him, that's stupid. We waited til it was out of reach with LvG and Moyes for some daft reason even though it was clear we hadn't a hope, I really hope we don't do it again.
He took over a broken team that was headed for the lower half of the table if things continued. Now we're back in the CL, have made a couple of good additions, and most of the players from the Mourinho era that hasn't been sold is either out of the team or has improved.
The following have improved under Ole:
Lindelöf, Fred, McTominay, Rashford, Martial.
More or less the same quality:
DDG, Shaw, Matic, Mata, Pogba
I can't think of a single decent player that has become worse under Ole.
Think most people agree that if you give Ole the job he needed the best coaching staff available to work with him. SAF always had people who were the best qualified and who he trusted. He didn't worry about having to change them either if they decided to pursue a managerial career. He just looked for another well qualified replacement. We are not sure who sets the training regimes or how much advise he takes off his coaches. Think he gets the rest of the season. If we do not get CL[because in these times CL is vital due to the money we are losing) he will be fired and deservedly so. The next two league games away from home will show if we can pick the form up. Agree with @Massive Spanner that if it is obvious CL is out of the question there is absolutely no point keeping him as manager.
It's more a general point not aimed at you directly. I'm glad you can see that he can't be sacked immediately however many of the Ole out brigade don't agree. We're not far off the top of the league despite all we've had to contend with and I'm sure we can only get better as a lot of our better players haven't got going yet.
I'm sticking to my guns. The season and job he's done isn't defined after 8 games. If we're out of the picture come Spring then that's different.