Everton - What next?

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It’s not just having him as someone to run off DCL but his work rate defensively is crucial for us too. He’s our best player by far and we would have probably beaten Newcastle and nabbed a draw here today with him.

We have been well and truly hit by karma in the last few games.

Wilson had a few decisions in the Newcaslt game that could have added up to a red and Maguire was lucky in the challenge on Digne too. Making up for the Pickford - VVD incident.

I am still not worried about us when we have our starting 11 all fit and available though, it’s a great side. Just struggles when we have 1 or 2 missing.
Pull the other one!
 

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Their drop in form is because not having Richarlison?

Didn't check the details yet, but it seems once he's out, Everton's form started to plummet.
we’ve lost every game he’s not been available for.

I’d have taken the L against Liverpool to have had him available for the last 3 games. We would probably have still lost against Southampton but I reckon we would have won against Newcastle and got a draw yesterday with him.
 

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Freefall?

Looking like 3 defeats, 2 draws and 1 win in the last 6 league games. Including an embarrassing defeat against relegation candidates Manyoo.

I'm really not convinced by Ancelotti, and Everton are always gunna Everton.

You could argue this is premature, but then you wanna see the state of the first half of this thread :lol:
 
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Looks like it.

where’s our resident Everton poster who couldn’t stop bragging about James after the first game and a half of the season?

how’s James playing now?
 

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Should've known better than trusting Ancelotti to be consistent in the league and with Everton of all teams.
 

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I think that the media witch hunt after that game at Anfield really is the reason to why their performances declined. Weak mentality, yes, but the media were swinging and Liverpool’s were whinging. It was OTT imho.
 

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Yeah, hype well and truly over.

Winter is coming here, James.
 

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Looks like it.

where’s our resident Everton poster who couldn’t stop bragging about James after the first game and a half of the season?

how’s James playing now?
sorry? James has been great up until he got injured which was up until the Pool game. Since then he’s has niggling injuries and a heavy international period. We have also suffered key losses to injury and suspension with directly correlate with this poor patch of form.
 

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sorry? James has been great up until he got injured which was up until the Pool game. Since then he’s has niggling injuries and a heavy international period. We have also suffered key losses to injury and suspension with directly correlate with this poor patch of form.
I really don't think he's been bad though, scored a lovely today, just unlucky he's strayed a bit offside. Clearly he's not on fire like he was but he's still playing well.

We would be absolutely balling at Man Utd right now if we had James (Rodriguez!) playing off the right linking up with Bruno and Rashford.
 

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I remember reading reports of how the Bayern players were angry about the poor coaching they received from Ancelotti. I was hoping those reports were not true. Sadly, they look spot on. He looks like a coach who's best years are well behind him.
 

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I really don't think he's been bad though, scored a lovely today, just unlucky he's strayed a bit offside. Clearly he's not on fire like he was but he's still playing well.

We would be absolutely balling at Man Utd right now if we had James playing off the right linking up with Bruno and Rashford.
One player can’t do everything either. He was playing excellently when he had Coleman and Digne providing width for him to expose gaps but guess what we didn’t have today? Coleman or Digne.
 

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I remember reading reports of how the Bayern players were angry about the poor coaching they received from Ancelotti. I was hoping those reports were not true. Sadly, they look spot on. He looks like a coach who's best years are well behind him.
He's never been a great coach though. Nor was Fergie. Both of their great strengths were their man management and motivation, the question is if Ancelotti has the right coaching (and playing) staff around him to get results. Fergie was excellent at picking those specialists he needed out, don't know if Ancelotti is or not.
 

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He's never been a great coach though. Nor was Fergie. Both of their great strengths were their man management and motivation, the question is if Ancelotti has the right coaching (and playing) staff around him to get results.
Duncan Ferguson. Who's never proved himself to be great at anything. Except, getting injured.
 

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Page 4 in particular where the anti Ole agenda starts flowing in is classic Redcafe.
And, typically, it was that poster that constantly talks about Poch that kicked it off. Seen him do that in a shit load of threads.
 

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Everton have probably had the most boring time since the PL started. Rarely if ever in any real danger of going down (except one season) and rarely ever troubling the top of the league either. Their fans must be so sick of being a mere also ran club.
 

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Everton have probably had the most boring time since the PL started. Rarely if ever in any real danger of going down (except one season) and rarely ever troubling the top of the league either. Their fans must be so sick of being a mere also ran club.
but for about 5 weeks this season they thought they were going to win the league this year... .lol
 

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2 wins in 6 now for them. Everything has gone wrong since the Liverpool game .
 

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Thread has now gone too far the other way. The posts on this page read as if we are bottom of the league whereas we are 5 points from top after 10 games. Despite the poor results recently we would have bit your hand off for that last year.
 

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I think that the media witch hunt after that game at Anfield really is the reason to why their performances declined. Weak mentality, yes, but the media were swinging and Liverpool’s were whinging. It was OTT imho.
That's absurd. If it is true what you say, it would be the most sorry collection of spineless milksops in the league. I don't buy that for a second.
 

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They still should have a decent season e.g. challenge for top 7 but think it shows some people were getting way carried away thinking they could challenge for league title after 4 games.

4 defeats in last 5 now and not like their schedule has been that brutal. Will still do well to get past 60 points.
 

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That's absurd. If it is true what you say, it would be the most sorry collection of spineless milksops in the league. I don't buy that for a second.
Is it really hard to believe though? How can you explain that they won 8 straight games and played really well, up until that draw against Liverpool and since then they’ve dropped points in four of their last five games? We keep forgetting that these are real people, regular guys that had to live through threatenings by their rival supporters, you know by guys that lives in the same city.

Let’s not forget how the mainstream media went rampant, several journalists attacked them and the Liverpool camp kept fueling the fire. I think it affected Everton negatively.
 

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Thread has now gone too far the other way. The posts on this page read as if we are bottom of the league whereas we are 5 points from top after 10 games. Despite the poor results recently we would have bit your hand off for that last year.
No need to delve too deep into a small sample of games where results have been negative. I think missing Richarlison and James for a number of games did a number on Everton over the last number of games. Once they return to full fitness and match sharpness we'll see Everton back winning more than losing. Today the game was so open it could've gone either way.
 

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Is it really hard to believe though? How can you explain that they won 8 straight games and played really well, up until that draw against Liverpool and since then they’ve dropped points in four of their last five games?
Their 2 best players were missing or lacking full fitness during their bad run. Namely, Richarlison and James. Today the scores could have been 5-5. I didn't see any lack of character. Just small margins gave Leeds victory.
 

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Is it really hard to believe though? How can you explain that they won 8 straight games and played really well, up until that draw against Liverpool and since then they’ve dropped points in four of their last five games? We keep forgetting that these are real people, regular guys that had to live through threatenings by their rival supporters, you know by guys that lives in the same city.

Let’s not forget how the mainstream media went rampant, several journalists attacked them and the Liverpool camp kept fueling the fire. I think it affected Everton negatively.
I think the media generally criticized the lack of retrospective action taken by the authorities on the Pickford lunge on VVD. I think you are really over egging 1) how much of a sledding Everton actually got from the media and 2) how much it could possibly/reasonably affected them. To suggest their downtown in form is due to criticism in the media as opposed to other more obvious factors, such as injuries/suspension/performances returning toward the mean after racing out of the blocks, strikes me as a reach, to say the least.
 

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Their 2 best players were missing or lacking full fitness during their bad run. Namely, Richarlison and James. Today the scores could have been 5-5. I didn't see any lack of character. Just small margins gave Leeds victory.
Leeds dominated Everton for good spells in both the halfs https://understat.com/match/14531
They could've won by more, but for their poor finishing (which is a big issue for them). Calvert-Lewin was a passenger for most of the game and Richarlison couldn't exploit spaces on Leeds right side. I think Everton have a very competent squad and manager this season, but today they couldn't cope with Leeds.
 
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I didn't get carried away when we was winning and I wont get too carried away now. I expect maybe a fight for top 7 still. Carlo has had only the one transfer window so this time next year will be the time for making judgements.

We still desperately need a GK, CB, RB and CM. Shame we missed out on Gabriel and Thiago Silva.
I just hope we manage to sign those four positions without losing any of the current key players.
 

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That squad is a mess outside of a few players. An injury here a suspension there has put their season in limbo. Marcel Brands has questions to answer.
 

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That squad is a mess outside of a few players. An injury here a suspension there has put their season in limbo. Marcel Brands has questions to answer.
You take 2/3 key players out of a team and they will suffer. Look at Liverpool for example .
You’d only need to take Fernandes out of our team and we’d be fecked
 

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You take 2/3 key players out of a team and they will suffer. Look at Liverpool for example .
You’d only need to take Fernandes out of our team and we’d be fecked
The drop off isn't the same for all the teams. Depth isn't made equal.