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He's not racially abusing anyone. He's replying to a post in a friendly way, in Spanish. Who are the FA to tell Cavani what a Spanish word means?
Exactly. Now he can't use his native dialect, just in case someone might get offended without any context whatsoever. :houllier:
 

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I'm a Black man and it saddens me that real racism has become conflated with political correctness and the social media era. Racism is that which maligns or is intended to malign another because of skin colour. Racism is not endless political correctness that can't even take language into account. There's racism in South America, and the Spanish speaking world. They, and not us, should be the arbiters of whether there was anything offensive here. As I understand it, Cavani was alerted as to how the term may be interprered in English! Just think about that...he can't even speak his language freely because of political correctness.
I'm also Black and, basically, I agree with what you are saying.

For family reasons I spend a lot of time in Latin America. You're right there is a racism there as there is here. I get the random airport search there even more than I do here!

However, Cavani was not being in the slight be racist. It's crazy to rip what he said from context and impose an Anglo Saxon cultural view on it.
 

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My understanding was Suarez got in trouble because he claimed to use the word negrito when Evra was very definite he didn't. At worst I think Cavani's post has been lost in translation, hopefully common sense prevails.
Suarez got in trouble because of context.
 

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I'm a Black man and it saddens me that real racism has become conflated with political correctness and the social media era. Racism is that which maligns or is intended to malign another because of skin colour. Racism is not endless political correctness that can't even take language into account. There's racism in South America, and the Spanish speaking world. They, and not us, should be the arbiters of whether there was anything offensive here. As I understand it, Cavani was alerted as to how the term may be interprered in English! Just think about that...he can't even speak his language freely because of political correctness.
Thanks. @SalfordRed18 that’s exactly what I meant....This type of outrage over things like this only undermines the actual issues and movements related to racism.
 

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Anyone who speaks more than one language will know literal translations can result in raised eyebrows. Context is everything here, the post was written in Spanish and should be interpreted in that way. I don’t speak Spanish but I’ll put my neck on line and say he isn’t meaning to cause offence to anybody in any way and certainly not in a racial context.
 

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My understanding was Suarez got in trouble because he claimed to use the word negrito when Evra was very definite he didn't. At worst I think Cavani's post has been lost in translation, hopefully common sense prevails.
It won’t. The PL are deep in with the racial equality BLM stuff. Even if it’s a clear misunderstanding they’ll come down hard. Expect a 3 game ban minimum.
 

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It’s nothing like the Suarez incident, form what I can tell. Doesn’t make it okay.

Give him a one match ban, a fine and some cultural education. Then move on.
Bernardo Silva got a one match ban for his "guess who" tweet with the conguito picture...

Cavanis post is fecking miles away from that.
 

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It’s nothing like the Suarez incident, form what I can tell. Doesn’t make it okay.

Give him a one match ban, a fine and some cultural education. Then move on.
If you don’t understand the context, why isn’t it ok? Political correctness is killing society as it is. He’s done nothing wrong so why should he be banned?

B.Silva got 1 game for the Mendy thing. Equal punishment would be a complete joke.
 

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What doesn’t make it OK?
Using terminology that could be misconstrued as a racial epithet on his global social media platform followed by millions seems a little careless and thoughtless, to me. Maybe I am misunderstanding the term he actually used, which is very possible.
 

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From the plethora of South American friends that I have, the vast majority have indicated to me that this term is used prolifically as a term of endearment. I do find it somewhat interesting that British culture would judge South American culture for its own use of language with its own varying degrees of social acceptability.
I've seen white argentinian families call one another 'negro', so this checks out. It is bizarre to think what the implied rule is if he's punished for this: when writing publicly in your native language, make sure it doesn't appear to be racist in another language...?
 

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My understanding was Suarez got in trouble because he claimed to use the word negrito when Evra was very definite he didn't. At worst I think Cavani's post has been lost in translation, hopefully common sense prevails.
Exactly. Suarez claim was found by the FA investigation to be implausible aka clearly made up.

It's incredible the Liverpool FC PR is so strong that, even on a Man Utd forum, people actually believe Suarez was banned for something he wasn't.
 

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Thanks. @SalfordRed18 that’s exactly what I meant....This type of outrage over things like this only undermines the actual issues and movements related to racism.
Exactly what outrage are your referring to?

Again, you've made multiple assumptions about me and what I'm saying and it's why I'm not responding. Ive not claimed racism once, it's not the point being made at all frankly youre a moron (see below) and you can report me for that
You really are a snowflake, gosh. Genuinely can’t believe any grown up can take this matter seriously when actual racist problems are happening as we speak...
Don't you dare ever lecture me (or anyone you don't know for that matter) on what is and isn't racist when you don't know me, my background or my life.
 

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Using terminology that could be misconstrued as a racial epithet on his global social media platform followed by millions seems a little careless and thoughtless, to me. Maybe I am misunderstanding the term he actually used, which is very possible.
You want to ban someone because he used a term that sounds close to another term that is offensive?
 

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Using terminology that could be misconstrued as a racial epithet on his global social media platform followed by millions seems a little careless and thoughtless, to me. Maybe I am misunderstanding the term he actually used, which is very possible.
It can mean “little black” or “sweetheart” considering he was talking to a white/Latin man it’s clearly not racist. The guys nickname might be little black for all we know. We’ve seen little pea with Hernandez, we don’t know the context so why should he be banned? He’s clearly not being abusive.
 

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Bernardo Silva got a one match ban for his "guess who" tweet with the conguito picture...

Cavanis post is fecking miles away from that.
What doesn’t make it OK?
If you don’t understand the context, why isn’t it ok? Political correctness is killing society as it is. He’s done nothing wrong so why should he be banned?

B.Silva got 1 game for the Mendy thing. Equal punishment would be a complete joke.
Perhaps I should do more research here, seems like I may be wrong! I will seek to dictate myself on the nuance of what was actually said here, which I should have done before posting admittedly.
 

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It can mean “little black” or “sweetheart” considering he was talking to a white/Latin man it’s clearly not racist. The guys nickname might be little black for all we know. We’ve seen little pea with Hernandez, we don’t know the context so why should he be banned? He’s clearly not being abusive.
Intent or lack of does not always absolve, especially when it’s posted for many people all over the world to see, not just the recipient of the message. But like I say, happy to admit I am wrong here - in fact very relieved :)
 

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Intent or lack of does not always absolve, especially when it’s posted for many people all over the world to see, not just the recipient of the message. But like I say, happy to admit I am wrong here - in fact very relieved :)
I agree, which is also why Silva got banned...

But the FA, ref Suarez, has already accepted that in itself it's not a racist word..
 

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I agree, which is also why Silva got banned...

But the FA, ref Suarez, has already accepted that in itself it's not a racist word..
I agree completely - my initial post was meant to convey that I don’t see this as anything like the Suarez incident.

What was the context of the Bernardo Silva ban? Will the FA need to be consistent or was his situation different? My memory is shite.
 

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The title should read "A bunch of British white men to decide if post written in Spanish is racist ".
 

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Still waiting for you to explain how political correctness is killing society...
The fact that you even ask the question means we’re not gonna agree, which means it’s a waste of time discussing it. Especially at 12.10 at night.

If you fancy getting offended some more have a look on Reddit I’m sure you’ll have a field day.
 

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Always wondered about that one :lol:
Me too. :D
Best hope nobody gets a niggling injury from now on, that could be misconstrued.
My old man's in trouble also, he's called Nigel, but a non English person reading that could pronounce it wrong so, he's gonna have to get that changed.
The word night is a bit dodgy too, so that's nite from now on, just in case like.....
Ridiculous I know, but ffs.
 

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This isn't even political correctness, it's bizarrely trying to apply the rules to the letter of the law with zero considerations to context, Judge Dredd style.
 

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It seems utterly insane they could ban Cavani for posting something that some English speakers have apparently misinterpreted as being racist. It’s blatantly obvious there was nothing racist about his post.
 
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