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HowYouDoin · Nov 30, 2020

I stopped watching NBA this year for over the top PC insanity. Tbh this is the kind of thing that would really rub me the wrong way if Cavani got any kind of suspension here.
So far PL was a safe haven. Yes PC but just its just corporate stuff, I understand. Its not over the top. This however could take it there. They better thread carefully here.

PoTMS · Nov 30, 2020

What a completely stupid thing to do considering what happened to his international teammate, albeit that being in different circumstances.

Yes, it might be fine to say negrito in Uruguay but you can't come to this country and say shit like that without upsetting people. What sort of message does it send out to young kids in this country looking at his Instagram?

Think the minimum ban now is 3 matches so he'll be out for games against West Ham, City and Sheffield United if the FA decide to charge him which they most probably will.

FujiVice · Nov 30, 2020

Remember when Zlatan and Eric Bailly had a joke on instagram where Ibra called Bailly "Kunta Kinte." For about 3 hours twitter tried to make a big deal out of it. Cant imagine this will go anywhere either.

Ronaldo's ego · Nov 30, 2020

I think we’re at the stage where Spanish speaking players need to be told to never, under any circumstances use any variation of that word. Who is offended exactly? If Cavani receives any sort of punishment then that means it has been concluded he used that word in a derogatory context towards black people. Absolute nonsense.

Schmeichel's Cartwheel · Nov 30, 2020

VP89 said:
Didn't Rio say his choc ice statement from a tweet himself?

I think so yeah. 2011 wasn’t it? It was nowhere near as big of a platform as it is now. Was in response to Cole defending Terry, who to be fair was indefensible. Rio was right to be pissed but could have worded it better.

Terry’s racism essentially ended Rio’s England career. Absolutely bull shit from the FA.

HowYouDoin · Nov 30, 2020

PoTMS said:
What a completely stupid thing to do. Yes, it might be fine to say that in Uruguay but you can't come to this country and say shit like that. What sort of message does it send out to young kids in this country?

Think the minimum ban now is 3 matches so he'll be out for games against West Ham, City and Sheffield United.

Say shit like what? What did he say? Do you speak spanish? Do you understand what he said? What he said is a common term of endearment.

Cassidy · Nov 30, 2020

Ronaldo's ego said:
I think we’re at the stage where Spanish speaking players need to be told to never, under any circumstances use any variation of that word. Who is offended exactly? If Cavani receives any sort of punishment then that means it has been concluded he used that word in a derogatory context towards black people. Absolute nonsense.

We were at that stage after the Suarez saga

Okey · Nov 30, 2020

RyRoc said:
Not saying he should get a ban but certainly think he should at least go on a racial awareness course. Cavani might quite like it in England and end up raising his kids here (if he has any)and he needs to realise why, in this country, that term can be considered highly offensive. Communication is important and this shouldn’t just be swept under the carpet because he is a United player.

Except the term he used doesn't exist in this country (I'm not even sure I'm allowed to repeat it, crazy eh?). How can it be offensive if it doesn't exist??? If you have to translate to find if it's offensive, then that should be judged based on what it means in that language, not in English.

Cassidy · Nov 30, 2020

HowYouDoin said:
Say shit like what? What did he say? Do you speak spanish? Do you understand what he said? What he said is a common term of endearment.

By the way its not always a term of endearment. However in the context he said it, it was

Latin American culture is complex and not without its own racial issues

Schmeichel's Cartwheel · Nov 30, 2020

Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell said:
You have repeatedly said I'm offended, when nothing I've posted implies that. This is a tactic i see deployed a lot online when someone has a different view.

Ok, cool.

Have a good night, Gary.

SalfordRed18 · Nov 30, 2020

Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell said:
You have repeatedly said I'm offended, when nothing I've posted implies that. This is a tactic i see deployed a lot online when someone has a different view.

Been used throughout this thread by multiple posters.

VivaObertan · Nov 30, 2020

Absolute farce if he's banned for this, cancel culture is a joke

Schmeichel's Cartwheel · Nov 30, 2020

PoTMS said:
What a completely stupid thing to do considering what happened to his international teammate, albeit that being in different circumstances.

Yes, it might be fine to say negrito in Uruguay but you can't come to this country and say shit like that without upsetting people. What sort of message does it send out to young kids in this country looking at his Instagram?

Think the minimum ban now is 3 matches so he'll be out for games against West Ham, City and Sheffield United if the FA decide to charge him which they most probably will.

3 games, after Bernardo got 1 for the Mendy cartoon? Which was 1000 times worse?

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson · Nov 30, 2020

Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell said:
Also, black musicians using the 'n word' is lyrics is in the context of black people having reclaimed the word.

So black musicians can use a word that's "theirs" then?

But a South American can't use a term/slang word that's theirs?

Okey said:
I'm a Black man and it saddens me that real racism has become conflated with political correctness and the social media era. Racism is that which maligns or is intended to malign another because of skin colour. Racism is not endless political correctness that can't even take language into account.

Me too.

So many people nowadays seem to be falling over themselves to twist something and shout "racist"... plenty of them United fans by the look of this thread.

UncleBob · Nov 30, 2020

Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell said:
Musicians aren't employed in a profession regulated by the FA. The governing body sets the rules players need to adhere to, Cavani has not upheld those rules.

Also, black musicians using the 'n word' is lyrics is in the context of black people having reclaimed the word.

Incredible you'd need this explaining.

Ronaldo's ego · Nov 30, 2020

Cassidy said:
We were at that stage after the Suarez saga

Even in the relatively short time between then and now, society has become more sensitive by ten fold. I made a post earlier regarding literal translations and how context is everything in a situation like this. Hopefully common sense prevails and it’s deemed a non issue. Won’t hold my breath though.

SalfordRed18 · Nov 30, 2020

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
So black musicians can use a word that's "theirs" then?

But a South American can't use a term/slang word that's theirs?

Me too.

So many people nowadays seem to be falling over themselves to twist something and shout "racist"... plenty of them United fans by the look of this thread.

Where? Point out the plenty please.

Cassidy · Nov 30, 2020

Ronaldo's ego said:
Even in the relatively short time between then and now, society has become more sensitive by ten fold. I made a post earlier regarding literal translations and how context is everything in a situation like this. Hopefully common sense prevails and it’s deemed a non issue. Won’t hold my breath though.

Context is definitely everything, but as I posted above. People should stop talking about it as if it doenst have any negative connotations in latin america itself because it does.

Even in England and the US the word negro itself isnt bad by itself its the way its been used. Like calling black music Urban. There is anything wrong with the word urban. Its the context. Anyway as the Suarez case showed the word can be used in a negative way and together with a slur And that happens in Latin America.

Overall though Cavani should get a warning and be told not to use it here

Majima · Nov 30, 2020

Absolute farce. Cavani responds in an affectionate way in his native language to another native of his country. And even though we haven't got a clue what we're talking about, us the English are outraged, because he's 'racist'? I hate this current society we live in.

Trequarista10 · Nov 30, 2020

Surprised at the criticism of Cavani here.

It's a word that is used in his culture and language without offence or controversy, and is clearly used in a friendly manner in general and in this instance.

The word doesn't even exist in English. It just sounds like an English word that has a different meaning.

Equally surprised at anyone equating it to Suarez.

It's nothing to do with red tinted specs either. I was annoyed when Bernardo Silva got suspended for something similar a while ago as it was clearly not intended maliciously (the Silva thing was worse than this, too).

shahzy · Nov 30, 2020

Obviously he didn't mean it in a malicious way. Obviously they use that differently in South America. But he should know he's in England where anything around that word isn't really ok. It's a shame really

SuperiorXI · Nov 30, 2020

Ronaldo's ego said:
Even in the relatively short time between then and now, society has become more sensitive by ten fold. I made a post earlier regarding literal translations and how context is everything in a situation like this. Hopefully common sense prevails and it’s deemed a non issue. Won’t hold my breath though.

It absolutely should be deemed a non issue, there's no valid basis for it not to be. Some depressing opinions in here.

UncleBob · Nov 30, 2020

Cassidy said:
We were at that stage after the Suarez saga

You've got to be fecking kidding me. I literally have feck all idea how anyone actually managed to misunderstand the Suarez saga...The problem was always the context it was used in, and when you're also claiming that you were pinching an opposing players skin to calm down the situation in a heated exchange....

paraguayo · Nov 30, 2020

Cassidy said:
Context is definitely everything, but as I posted above. People should stop talking about it as if it doenst have any negative connotations in latin america itself because it does.

Even in England and the US the word negro itself isnt bad by itself its the way its been used. Like calling black music Urban. There is anything wrong with the word urban. Its the context. Anyway as the Suarez case showed the word can be used in a negative way and together with a slur And that happens in Latin America

Negro in latin america is completely different than in Anglo countries. Negro is literally the latin american term for saying someone is black.

Of couse if you say 'black piece of crap' you are racist, if you say 'my black brother' in english its nothing. But if your friends nickname is 'blackie', would there be any consequences even for an English guy? Because thats what happened here

Cassidy · Nov 30, 2020

UncleBob said:
You've got to be fecking kidding me. I literally have feck all idea how anyone actually managed to misunderstand the Suarez saga...The problem was always the context it was used in, and when you're also claiming that you were pinching an opposing players skin to calm down the situation in a heated exchange....

Where did I say it was miss understood?

Cassidy · Nov 30, 2020

paraguayo said:
Negro in latin america is completely different than in Anglo countries. Negro is literally our term for saying someone is black.

Like it is everywhere

P-Nut · Nov 30, 2020

Zero chance that's a ban, it'll get reviewed, as it likely should, but it's blatantly obvious it's a term of endearment and a mistranslation, which when pointed out was deleted. None story

paraguayo · Nov 30, 2020

Cassidy said:
Like it is everywhere

No. Black is what you guys use for Black. Nobody says negro in daily life.

Marcosdeto · Nov 30, 2020

I have a lot of friends who’s nickname are “negro” or “negriito”
in fact tomorrow i’m having lunch with four friends, one we call him “pajaro” (wich means bird because he used to whistle a bit too much) one we call “negro” (dark skinned, you know) one we call “negrito” ( he is darke skinned too, only younger) and the fourth hasnt have a nickname because there’s nothing in particular about him

i’m many times called “flaco” (which means “skinny” because i used to be one)

in south america nicknames are part of our culture and are ways to say we appreciate the other person for what he is

the fact that some of you expect the rest of the world to be ashamed of things that you did, is absurd

we don’t think of a negro or a negrito as a slave or a menace or someone less important

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson · Nov 30, 2020

PoTMS said:
What a completely stupid thing to do considering what happened to his international teammate, albeit that being in different circumstances.

Yes, it might be fine to say negrito in Uruguay but you can't come to this country and say shit like that without upsetting people. What sort of message does it send out to young kids in this country looking at his Instagram?

Think the minimum ban now is 3 matches so he'll be out for games against West Ham, City and Sheffield United if the FA decide to charge him which they most probably will.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing honestly. Genuinely just a question...

You said "Yes, it might be fine to say negrito in Uruguay but you can't come to this country and say shit like that without upsetting people." Made me think.

Does saying something on social media which is across the entire WORLD, now get examined on the basis of where you are/you're working when you make the comment?

I wonder if the FA rules then give them the power to punish any player, of any nationality, saying anything in their own language (or slang), on any social media site and say ... all of the above is tough shit. You're playing in the Premier League in the UK so it's up to us to decide.

Cassidy · Nov 30, 2020

paraguayo said:
No. Black is what you guys use for Black. Nobody says negro in daily life.

Please go and research. Its no longer used now but that wasnt always the case. As I said context, I could call someone black in English and can also use it as a slur. Anyway like I said before Cavani did no such thing, but just saying people shouldnt act as if its never used in a negative context in Latin America because it does happen

Djemba-Djemba · Nov 30, 2020

He 100% is going to get banned.

Not saying he should do, but it's an absolute fecking guarantee.

The FA love this sort of stuff.

Sylar · Nov 30, 2020

VP89 said:
What did Rio get for calling Cole "choc ice"?

I don't even think Rio called him that
He RTd somebody that called Cole that

As for Cavani, I'll be surprised if anything happens
If it does FA might as well put out a statement saying whilst you're employed by an English club you can only use English to communicate

paraguayo · Nov 30, 2020

Cassidy said:
Please go and research. Its no longer used now but that wasnt always the case. As I said it context, I could call someone black in English and can also use it as a slur. Anyway like I said before Cavani did no such thing, but just saying people should t act as if its never used in a negative context in Latin America because it does happen

But I did clear that up. The word itself is just 'black', in this case 'blackie'. Its completely different if I say 'you black feck' than 'support black business owners'

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson · Nov 30, 2020

SalfordRed18 said:
Where? Point out the plenty please.

Out of that entire post, you choose to argue the toss about the meaning of the word 'plenty'?

Really, just let it go. Not everything has to be an argument because people on the Caf don't side with your opinion on something.

Dr. Dwayne · Nov 30, 2020

Marcosdeto said:
I have a lot of friends who’s nickname are “negro” or “negriito”
in fact tomorrow i’m having lunch with four friends, one we call him “pajaro” (wich means bird because he used to whistle a bit too much) one we call “negro” (dark skinned, you know) one we call “negrito” ( he is darke skinned too, only younger) and the fourth hasnt have a nickname because there’s nothing in particular about him

i’m many times called “flaco” (which means “skinny” because i used to be one)

in south america nicknames are part of our culture and are ways to say we appreciate the other person for what he is

the fact that some of you expect the rest of the world to be ashamed of things that you did, is absurd

we don’t think of a negro or a negrito as a slave or a menace or someone less important

Flacosdeto

Sylar · Nov 30, 2020

Also from the suarez report released by FA, IIRC, suarez never used the word that Cavani did

I remember scousers doing long posts and blogs on the term but when the report was released he never once called Evra that and it was more offensive instead

Sky1981 · Nov 30, 2020

Ridiculous.

The word is spanish. The fa need not get involved. Nobody complains.

Racist is about intention and context, not a crappy and stupid direct translation.

He should be told that this might cause misunderstanding and that's that.

Cassidy · Nov 30, 2020

paraguayo said:
But I did clear that up. The word itself is just 'black', in this case 'blackie'. Its completely different if I say 'you black feck' than 'support black business owners'

What I said went over your head

Marcosdeto · Nov 30, 2020

Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
Flacosdeto

I once was one

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