Ah, right, that makes more sense. It's the sort of wording i'd expect from them, but I somehow imagined quotation marks into your post. My bad.
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Hopefully the investigation is done properly and they seek advice from independent parties who understand the language and culture rather than it be a trial by social media.
I suspect it'll be the latter and he'll get a 3 game ban. Probably reduced to 1 game on appeal.
I suspect it'll be the latter and he'll get a 3 game ban. Probably reduced to 1 game on appeal.
Are you commenting on the content of the post?
"I would like to praise player X for coming out as gay, and I offer him my support. I hope it enables more gay footballers to be able to be open about their sexuality"
Insta ban for referencing sexuality.
Identity politics is appalling.
Man just when everything looked pretty rosy again for us shit like that pops up. Blown out of proportions no end of course by the British media. Circus.
There will be a three match ban most likely. The rules are pretty clear and there is no point saying he didn't mean it and it means nothing in Uraquay.
The FA will go by the letter of the law here.
The FA will go by the letter of the law here.
Ok, show me.
There's no need to become experts. The FA already accepted, ref Suarez vs Evra, that the word have different meanings and that it depends on the context it is used in. Suarez got shafted because no one believed him when he claimed it was meant friendly, whereas there's no reason to believe Cavani isn't being friendly when he's thanking a supporter
Perhaps we should find out if Pablofer2222 is offended by the reply before everyone gets offended on his behalf.
This is really clutching at straws to be labelled as racism. Cavani is literally thanking the guy, added a handshake emoji and in all honesty, probably made the guy's day.
This is really clutching at straws to be labelled as racism. Cavani is literally thanking the guy, added a handshake emoji and in all honesty, probably made the guy's day.
It’s not that mate. It’s the disingenuous linking of Cavani to Suarez.
Suarez behaved in a racist manner to Evra. A 7 figure cost was attached to litigating that.
Some kind of nonsensical false narrative has been allowed to exist that runs along the lines of “Suarez got banned for saying it and called a racist”
Nobody reads the findings. He didn’t get a ban for uttering a word. It was his behaviour.
Oh so left-wing Redcafe usually showing its colors when threads like this come along.
uhhhh, yes and no I guess. I am not really focusing on that, more where it was said.
I do not think he was being racist, and I do not think in his language what he said is racist. I am arguing that that is not the only thing to consider.
I think its a difficult decision to make, I think a warning with an explanation is probably the best way to deal with this. I do not see the argument that a ban would accomplish more than a warning + explaining why what he wrote can be problematic.
It is not about who is better or who is right or wrong. That debate can go on forever. But when you are in Rome, on Roman payroll then avoid following social protocols that could be offensive to Romans.
Political correctness gone wrong!
It reminds me of the professor who got suspended for using 'ne ga' (which means 'that' in Chinese) in a Chinese class. https://www.insidehighered.com/news...ended-saying-chinese-word-sounds-english-slur
It reminds me of the professor who got suspended for using 'ne ga' (which means 'that' in Chinese) in a Chinese class. https://www.insidehighered.com/news...ended-saying-chinese-word-sounds-english-slur
Ole would've probably dropped him for Martial anyway.
What if I'm in Rome because the Roman Empire destroyed and conquered my homeland?
NO. Just no.
He didn’t do anything wrong. Nothing he wrote is problematic. Not in any way, shape or form.
It’s a non event.
He clearly was replying to a compliment and it was meant as such. There are several cultures in the world and some things are acceptable in some and not others. Anyone calling for bans and such are just pathetic.
Exactly, a non event blown up by the media and the scousers on twitter using it as an excuse for the actual racist behaviour by Suarez. Nothing to apologise for, move on.
Why are you offended by Negrito? Because it resembles the other word? Because thats all it is. Youre offended by the Spanish language.
As a person or a footballer?
Alright you can go down that route, but one of the hardest things in life is drawing lines.
This is ok, this is not ok. It is always easier to say no or yes to all.
The next situation that turns up you need to make a decision with this and all other decisions to work off of. Once you get into gray areas there are always people who push for either side.
I doubt the FA wants to be in that position.
It's a new low when society wants to regulate how two friends communicate with each other.
We use the word "kala" in my native language as a nickname, it means black. It never refers to skin tone, it's like calling someone in the family "Greeny" or "Chief". It's a term of affection and has no racial connotation or meaning.
Drawing offence out of something like this is exactly what the bad faith actors use to bolster their belief that "political correctness has gone mad" and allows them to dismiss racism as a small problem blown out of proportion by "lefties" rather than the systemic plague it is.
We use the word "kala" in my native language as a nickname, it means black. It never refers to skin tone, it's like calling someone in the family "Greeny" or "Chief". It's a term of affection and has no racial connotation or meaning.
Drawing offence out of something like this is exactly what the bad faith actors use to bolster their belief that "political correctness has gone mad" and allows them to dismiss racism as a small problem blown out of proportion by "lefties" rather than the systemic plague it is.
Will be banned purely because the FA will want to be seen to be doing something.
If I were a Uruguayan (in fact given the word is used in Mexico, we're talking about an entire continent here) I'd be pretty offended that a country that speaks another language is basically banning a word that is being used in this context as a term of endearment. It's all about context. Suarez said it to a non Latin player and in a scenario that no one would describe as amicable, Cavani is saying it to a fan who is praising his performance.
If Simeone comes to the PL one day, are we going to ban everyone calling him Cholo? It's origin comes from the mixing of two races and is exactly the same as 'half-caste' (which is an abhorrent word) but because it doesn't directly use a latin word for a colour in it's stem we're not bothered. The crazy thing is negro is a Spanish/Portguese word that we adopted given we already had our own word for the colour black so essentially Cavani is being told by someone who doesn't speak his language, that a word that originates from his mother tongue and has been adopted by English doesn't mean what he (and billions of others) think it does and is racist regardless of any context.
If I were a Uruguayan (in fact given the word is used in Mexico, we're talking about an entire continent here) I'd be pretty offended that a country that speaks another language is basically banning a word that is being used in this context as a term of endearment. It's all about context. Suarez said it to a non Latin player and in a scenario that no one would describe as amicable, Cavani is saying it to a fan who is praising his performance.
If Simeone comes to the PL one day, are we going to ban everyone calling him Cholo? It's origin comes from the mixing of two races and is exactly the same as 'half-caste' (which is an abhorrent word) but because it doesn't directly use a latin word for a colour in it's stem we're not bothered. The crazy thing is negro is a Spanish/Portguese word that we adopted given we already had our own word for the colour black so essentially Cavani is being told by someone who doesn't speak his language, that a word that originates from his mother tongue and has been adopted by English doesn't mean what he (and billions of others) think it does and is racist regardless of any context.
Listen, what part of “I read on the BBC website that” don’t you understand???
Why does everything have to be turned in an opinionated discussion? I not stating my opinion, just stating what I read this morning on the BBC website!
I usually like your posts and will be absolutely furious if Cavani is sanctioned for this mistake (beyond perhaps a public apology).
However, to label this as typical English is disingenuous and offensive. To the average Englishman it is clear that Cavani made an innocent mistake and needs at most some training on how things are perceived by the FA and some parts of the UK.
The main comparison of Suarez on the other hand wanted to be offensive and was.
TLDR: I’m on your side of the argument so don’t lump me in with the FA and other “typical English”.
I am not offended by anything. I am merely pointing out rules and social protocols of the land Canavi is currently employed in. Are they right or wrong is a different matter and democracy should sort that out. I personally don't like any hypersensitivism (is that a word?) or any kind of hyper 'ism'. But that is how a democratic society wants to function then accept and follow the rules.
Considering the Bernardo Silva tweet about Mendy was accepted as a joke and it looked far more offensive TBF, this will go the same way and similar penalty for breaching social media guidelines
They'll make an example out of him.
This is bringing back bad memories of when I was at school and a girl overheard me talking to a mate about Arnold Schwarzenegger, and thought I'd said the 'n word'. Threatened to tell the teachers!
Spent the whole day thinking I was going to get expelled and sent to prison or something for being labelled a racist. Obviously nothing to do with this incident, just triggered an uncomfortable memory.
Although, I guess if you use it as a metaphor, Liverpool fans would be that girl right now.
I really hope she went to Uni and contracted a really bad case of herpes! Knowing how the universe works though, she's probably a higher up in the foreign office or something
Spent the whole day thinking I was going to get expelled and sent to prison or something for being labelled a racist. Obviously nothing to do with this incident, just triggered an uncomfortable memory.
Although, I guess if you use it as a metaphor, Liverpool fans would be that girl right now.
I really hope she went to Uni and contracted a really bad case of herpes! Knowing how the universe works though, she's probably a higher up in the foreign office or something
Shut up Antohan, you have no right to speak your own language the way it is. It is up to left-wing internet Crusaders of a different country, who do not speak that language, to tell you how it should be spoken and what words are not allowed.
You can be left wing & still be against cancel culture & believe political correctness has gone too far.
Nobody is saying dont follow the rules. What is being said is that this doesnt fall under those regulations.
Its like being done for drink driving for getting into a taxi just because a car is involved.
Sorry, mate, but I had to laugh at this.This is bringing back bad memories of when I was at school and a girl overheard me talking to a mate about Arnold Schwarzenegger, and thought I'd said the 'n word'. Threatened to tell the teachers!
Spent the whole day thinking I was going to get expelled and sent to prison or something for being labelled a racist. Obviously nothing to do with this incident, just triggered an uncomfortable memory.
Although, I guess if you use it as a metaphor, Liverpool fans would be that girl right now.
I really hope she went to Uni and contracted a really bad case of herpes! Knowing how the universe works though, she's probably a higher up in the foreign office or something
As absurd as it sounds, I totally believe you.You lot still on about this?!?
Someone should lock this thread up before more posters get alienated.
This lockdown and coronavirus is getting to all of us.
It's actually very simple - you either believe that Cavani is a racist prick.
Or, you think he was using a normal word in context that is not racist.
Again, context is everything. The FA will decide what they decide.
Let's not get things out of hand here, it's a very good place to be on the internet and we're all in a good mood thanks to our Uruguayan racist center forward. (just kidding)
I believe everbody had a post in here, so just lock it and let's focus on something else.
Someone should lock this thread up before more posters get alienated.
This lockdown and coronavirus is getting to all of us.
It's actually very simple - you either believe that Cavani is a racist prick.
Or, you think he was using a normal word in context that is not racist.
Again, context is everything. The FA will decide what they decide.
Let's not get things out of hand here, it's a very good place to be on the internet and we're all in a good mood thanks to our Uruguayan racist center forward. (just kidding)
I believe everbody had a post in here, so just lock it and let's focus on something else.
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