Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch

AshRK · Nov 30, 2020

Asking for him to be sacked is very unfair on him. Like @VP89 says he needs time to sort it out. However, I still think he should take most of the blame for being 14th and playing such an average and boring football. You cannot be dominated by Wolves at home or Villa at home and create absolutely nothing. Aubameyang looks half of the player he was last season, Lacazate is looking worse than Benteke, Pepe has not been getting consistent chances, WIllian looks a bang average signing and the worst of all Saka seems to have regressed. No one is expecting Arsenal to win or even challenge for the title but this is the worst I have seen them look since I have started watching football.

I still think they will somehow get a result against Spurs and everything will look rosey again till they again struggle against Burnley or Everton or Southampton. He has to fix it or he may be facing the wrath of the board.

UNITED ACADEMY · Nov 30, 2020

VP89 said:
He improved players last season. He's failing to build on that now.

Who? Even if we get along with your bullshit, a manager who failed to build on from 2 months period improvement is not called progress.

VP89 said:
No, there is little good this season. My posts have always been down to the work he did last season and needs time to build on that.

You choose to mention Martial form as improvement from last season when it suits your narrative and with Arteta you focus on players performing this season. Make up your mind.

Again Martial improved last season means something positive from whole season not just 2 months period improvement.

You choose to mention Xhaka based on 2 months period improvement under Arteta article when he already made improvement under Emery. Giving Arteta credit but ignoring what Emery already did on the player.

VP89 said:
You make shit up because you take a match day thread of posters making heated comments and extrapolate from there. As I said, the same forum was praising him in various big games for Arsenal last season.

What's next?

VP89 said:
He quoted me, what are you on about.

Sure he did. :lol:

VP89 · Nov 30, 2020

romufc said:
So if they both got their targets, it shouldn't matter how much they spent, that is not up to them like you said, its for the people above.

Actually Arteta didn't get Aouar, and he's had one full window. I don't think there is much by way of form or how the team plays (good some games, bad in others) if you compared to Ole in the first 10 games of last season - both had 13 points from their first 10 games.

romufc said:
If you asked Arsenal fans, they all love Lacca too so I dont know where you are going with that.

I don't know where you are going on about Laca to be honest. The Arsenal fans I speak to can be frustrated with him, AFTV as well are up and down with him and so are the super chats they mention when they play games. Sometimes he's great and other times he frustrates.
The crux of my point was United's team after Jose was not good but still more talented than the Arsenal side after Emery. I don't think a single player goes into United's team bar Aubameyang. Laca might be 50/50, but aside from that, in goalkeeping, defence and midfield I don't think anyone earns a place in the United team from Arsenal.

romufc said:
Well, it was also reported that Lukaku wanted to leave after his first training session so, does it make him a bad player?

Torreira was one of their best players, he was getting in every game.

Re. Lukaku no it doesn't make him a "bad" player. But Ole was fortunate that there was a buyer ready to stump up good cash for him. Pepe is a player that doesn't looks like he wants to be at Arsenal, and Arteta would probably love to sell him, but he doesn't have the same luck.

Re. Toreira he might have been one of Emery's better players but it was reported he wanted out since November 2019. Arteta, like Ole, had the right approach in trying to keep players with the right mentality and that want to play for the club. Whilst accepting Toreira had a good mentality, he didn't want to be there so Arteta let him leave. Like a mini Lukaku situation w/ Ole. Player who performed well enough for the previous manager but wanted out. The new manager wanted to build something for players that wanted to stay, so he obliged.

romufc said:
So Arteta has done well, but Ole hasn't?

They've both done the same relative to each other in the process. It's Arteta's first full season, and first summer window. 10 games in he has 13 points. After a good summer window going into his first full season, Ole also had 13 points from 10 games.

AshRK said:
Asking for him to be sacked is very unfair on him. Like @VP89 says he needs time to sort it out. However, I still think he should take most of the blame for being 14th and playing such an average and boring football. You cannot be dominated by Wolves at home or Villa at home and create absolutely nothing. Aubameyang looks half of the player he was last season, Lacazate is looking worse than Benteke, Pepe has not been getting consistent chances, WIllian looks a bang average signing and the worst of all Saka seems to have regressed. No one is expecting Arsenal to win or even challenge for the title but this is the worst I have seen them look since I have started watching football.

I still think they will somehow get a result against Spurs and everything will look rosey again till they again struggle against Burnley or Everton or Southampton. He has to fix it or he may be facing the wrath of the board.

Yeah, pretty much.

Of course Arteta can't afford to have this bad form continue. It will be interesting to see how Arsenal cope with a thick run of fixtures now, if they somehow find momentum or if he ends up being sacked before the new year.

GledTheRed · Nov 30, 2020

Nice watching this lot go to shit after jizzing themselves when they parked the bus at OT.

VP89 · Nov 30, 2020

UNITED ACADEMY said:
Who? Even if we get along with your bullshit, a manager who failed to build on from 2 months period improvement is not called progress.

Again Martial improved last season means something positive from whole season not just 2 months period improvement.

Honestly I don't know how you get away with spouting so much shit in this form .

Arteta is 10 games into his first full season and has 13 points. Ole got the same number of points from the same number of games exactly 1 year ago. At that time Pogba looked worse then got injured, and Rashford and Martial looked no different to before under Jose (i.e. red hot in some games and cold in others). Our football looked worse, and comparable to the times of Jose too.

If you're going to see who develops players better at least let Arteta finish his first full season with the club (assuming he gets to) rather than chatting presumptuous shit from the beginning.

UNITED ACADEMY said:
You choose to mention Xhaka based on 2 months period improvement under Arteta article when he already made improvement under Emery. Giving Arteta credit but ignoring what Emery already did on the player.

What's next?

Emery ruined Xakha, he actually made him worse than he ever was under Wenger if that was even possible. There might have been a bounce but the shit levels of Xakha even under Arteta last night was no way near as bad as how it got under Emery.

UNITED ACADEMY said:
Sure he did.

Mate, I'm referring to the person quoting me after the Wolves game. I was done with that debate ages ago. It ended, but then someone else decided to quote me and bring up the Ole debate again.

Shark · Nov 30, 2020

GledTheRed said:
Nice watching this lot go to shit after jizzing themselves when they parked the bus at OT.

Yeah, feck the cnuts :lol:

I'm absolutely loving their current meltdown.

GledTheRed · Nov 30, 2020

Shark said:
Yeah, feck the cnuts I'm absolutely loving their current meltdown.

Areta was the new kid on the block genius and Thomas Partey the prime Vieira with a sprinkling of Zidane.

Tom Van Persie · Nov 30, 2020

Ian Wright was saying a few weeks ago that we would be title contenders if we had Arteta in charge. :lol:

AshRK · Nov 30, 2020

Tom Van Persie said:
Ian Wright was saying a few weeks ago that we would be title contenders if we had Arteta in charge.

Yes that was an odd comment. For all of Ole's flaws I wouldn't trade him for arteta. Atleast we look pleasing to the eyes when attacking.

UNITED ACADEMY · Nov 30, 2020

VP89 said:
Honestly I don't know how you get away with spouting so much shit in this form .

Arteta is 10 games into his first full season and has 13 points. Ole got the same number of points from the same number of games exactly 1 year ago. At that time Pogba looked worse then got injured, and Rashford and Martial looked no different to before under Jose (i.e. red hot in some games and cold in others). Our football looked worse, and comparable to the times of Jose too.

If you're going to see who develops players better at least let Arteta finish his first full season with the club (assuming he gets to) rather than chatting presumptuous shit from the beginning.

Both had 13 points in 10 games. So? Does it mean anything for progress? You might should just tell me that sky is blue if you only gonna make a meaningless point. Honestly I don’t know how you get away with spouting shit in this forum.

Point still stands. Ole has shown better in how he managed his players and made improvement and development on his players.

Pogba actually nominated in PFA TOTY under Ole. Rashford looked better at that time. Martial only just came back from injury at that time (scored 3 goals in 4 starts game in those first 10 league games). Not bad.

VP89 said:
Emery ruined Xakha, he actually made him worse than he ever was under Wenger if that was even possible. There might have been a bounce but the shit levels of Xakha even under Arteta last night was no way near as bad as how it got under Emery.

Don’t talk shit. This article also tells you that Xhaka already showed improvement under Emery. I posted it twice already.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/nov/04/granit-xhaka-improvement-emery-changes-arsenal

VP89 said:
Mate, I'm referring to the person quoting me after the Wolves game. I was done with that debate ages ago. It ended, but then someone else decided to quote me and bring up the Ole debate again.

I don’t give a shit about that. My argument was on when you decided to start bring up Ole’s spending into the argument.

VP89 · Nov 30, 2020

UNITED ACADEMY said:
Both had 13 points in 10 games. So? Does it mean anything for progress? You might should just tell me that sky is blue if you only gonna make a meaningless point. Honestly I don’t know how you get away with spouting shit in this forum.

Point still stands. Ole has shown better in how he managed his players and made improvement and development on his players.

No, which is why your post is absolute garbage. Ole showed no progress in his first full season after 10 games and nor has Arteta. So saying Ole showed progress is a daft conclusion, when all the good work he did actually came about in the second half of the campaign. And yet here you are trying to pack in all of Ole's "progression" as though it was shown in the first 10 games of last year.

You then talk about how Ole showed progression because of all of the good work he made last season, when at the same point in time last year, no player looked improved in the first 10 games, the football was as bad as it ever was and he had the same number of points (13) as Arteta picked up after losing to Wolves. So no, Ole did not show progression in the opening 10 games of last season, just like Arteta is not showing any progression in the first 10 games of this season. Stop making shit up and move on.

UNITED ACADEMY said:
Pogba actually nominated in PFA TOTY under Ole. Rashford looked better at that time. Martial only just came back from injury at that time (scored 3 goals in 4 starts game in those first 10 league games). Not bad.

And yet there he was, shite for the following season. That's not progression, is it. Aubameyang was almost top goalscorer last year but he's tripe under Arteta now. That is also not progression as you eluded to.

UNITED ACADEMY said:
Don’t talk shit. This article also tells you that Xhaka already showed improvement under Emery. I posted it twice already.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/nov/04/granit-xhaka-improvement-emery-changes-arsenal

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/nov/04/granit-xhaka-improvement-emery-changes-arsenal
Here look, I posted it third time for you, it won't change the fact that he became the worst version of himself under Emery than any other manager. Taking an article that's 2 years old won't overwrite how bad he actually became under Emery thereafter.

UNITED ACADEMY said:
I don’t give a shit about that. My argument was on when you decided to start bring up Ole’s spending into the argument.

You should - because comparisons between Ole should take into account 1) Ole had 6 months longer in the job, 2) Ole had a first full season under his belt for us to actually see whether he can turn bad form around and 3) Ole spent more. That's all I said - I wasn't interested in entertaining anything further but daft posts like yours just keep drawing it out. Those 3 factors are relevant in comparison, and if you disagree then quite frankly, feck off because you chat so much shit on this caf I don't have the energy anymore.

You talk about how Martial improved, then you point to how shit Xakha is this season so as to cherry pick one season for a player under Ole and another season for a player under Arteta. You praise Ole's progression when that was never the case 10 games in last season. The mental gymnastics is just hilarious and you clearly don't have a standarised approach in evaluating managers. There is no value in debating that with you.

Valencia Shin Crosses · Nov 30, 2020

Even when we suck under Ole, we at least try to attack the other team and set up to do so. Plus for all of his faults Ole had turned us into possibly the best countering team in the world. We just suck when in possession many times.
Arteta meanwhile sets up Arsenal, a team known in history for playing as good of football as any (sometimes even too much so in being naive in big games), like they are some small side looking to muck up a game and make it cagey. If it gets results then so be it if their fans are happy, but it looks like crap and now isn’t even getting many results.

Zoo · Nov 30, 2020

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FrankDrebin · Nov 30, 2020

I still dont understand wtf he's doing with Aubameyang.

You see that guy who scored 20 + goals last season. Well, lets move him away from goal.

Uk pundits "Arteta's a genius"

Pogue Mahone · Nov 30, 2020

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That’s Van Gaal levels of shitery. Must be so grim being a gooner right now.

Pogue Mahone · Nov 30, 2020

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With shades of Moyes too. Working his way through the greatest hits of United’s managerial flops.

anant · Nov 30, 2020

Tom Van Persie said:
Ian Wright was saying a few weeks ago that we would be title contenders if we had Arteta in charge.

Tbf, I expect Arteta to get us relegated and win us the championship

FrankDrebin · Nov 30, 2020

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With shades of Moyes too. Working his way through the greatest hits of United’s managerial flops.

Well, Steve Round is on their coaching staff.

horsechoker · Nov 30, 2020

Still can't believe we lost to this lot.

It's just going to keep eating away at me. I think about it more than losing to spurs 6-1

Djemba-Djemba · Nov 30, 2020

JSArsenal said:
This is a bit disingenuous. I'm sure you remember what we were before he arrived. Think about your second paragraph and ask yourself why it was such a disgrace for Wenger to finish outside the top 4 for two consecutive seasons? It was because he didn't live up to the standards that he himself set.

Wenger raised the bar at the club, improved every single facet of it from top to bottom. Without him, we're Everton right now or Newcastle in terms of facilities and stature. You talk about three league titles in 18 years, ignoring the domestic trophies he won and the context surrounding his tenure. No other Arsenal manager had to work with the restrictions that Wenger had to work with or faced such strong competition in the form of the greatest manager of all time and then two doped up financial clubs. If winning three league titles was so easy, then why didn't every club win them? Nevertheless, our previous three league titles before Wenger arrived? 1971, 1989 and 1991.

Again, slaughter the man all you want for how things ended up, but you're really only blaming him for failing to live up to his own success.

I get what you're saying but I do think the idea Arsenal were some middle of the road no mark club before Wenger turned up is daft.

You had a pretty good 6 or 7 years up to Wenger becoming manager. League Titles in 89 and 91, Fa Cup and League Cup double in 93, European Cup winners Cup in 94 and another final in 95 and if Graham hadn't been sacked right before it you would have probably won it again.

The 18 months before Wenger weren't great but that's a pretty short amount of time in the grand scheme of things.

Wenger was a great manager from 1996 to about 2006 no doubt about it but it's not like he inherited a total shambles the way Emery and Arteta have.

reelworld · Dec 1, 2020

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With shades of Moyes too. Working his way through the greatest hits of United’s managerial flops.

People think because he's Spanish and coached for a couple of years under Pep he's a Pep disciple.
But he spent 6 seasons play under Moyes. Who's to say that Moyes isn't a more influence to him?

UNITED ACADEMY · Dec 1, 2020

VP89 said:
No, which is why your post is absolute garbage. Ole showed no progress in his first full season after 10 games and nor has Arteta. So saying Ole showed progress is a daft conclusion, when all the good work he did actually came about in the second half of the campaign. And yet here you are trying to pack in all of Ole's "progression" as though it was shown in the first 10 games of last year.

You then talk about how Ole showed progression because of all of the good work he made last season, when at the same point in time last year, no player looked improved in the first 10 games, the football was as bad as it ever was and he had the same number of points (13) as Arteta picked up after losing to Wolves. So no, Ole did not show progression in the opening 10 games of last season, just like Arteta is not showing any progression in the first 10 games of this season. Stop making shit up and move on.

In those 10 league games, Martial scored 3 goals in 4 league start games, missed 6 games due to injuries & Rashford scored 5 goals in those 10 league games. On the other hand Auba only scored 2 in 10, Laca is their top scorer with 3 goals and has been dropped on the bench due to poor performance.

Believe what you believe, you can be salty and call it garbage but the numbers don’t lie that both Martial & Rashford have shown sign improvement under Ole in those 10 games. While under Arteta players didn’t show any sign of improvement.

VP89 said:
And yet there he was, shite for the following season. That's not progression, is it. Aubameyang was almost top goalscorer last year but he's tripe under Arteta now. That is also not progression as you eluded to.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/nov/04/granit-xhaka-improvement-emery-changes-arsenal
Here look, I posted it third time for you, it won't change the fact that he became the worst version of himself under Emery than any other manager. Taking an article that's 2 years old won't overwrite how bad he actually became under Emery thereafter.

You talk about how Martial improved, then you point to how shit Xakha is this season so as to cherry pick one season for a player under Ole and another season for a player under Arteta. You praise Ole's progression when that was never the case 10 games in last season. The mental gymnastics is just hilarious and you clearly don't have a standarised approach in evaluating managers. There is no value in debating that with you.

It was an article of Xhaka improvement after ‘’3 months’’ Emery took in charge which the same shit what you posted Xhaka improvement after ‘’3 months’’ Arteta took in charge. 2 years old article because Emery was in charged in 2018, you don’t know why it was a 2 years article? :lol:

Aubameyang also scored 22 league goals in 18/19 under Emery. Both Auba & Xhaka under Emery remained the same level under Arteta.

VP89 said:
You should - because comparisons between Ole should take into account 1) Ole had 6 months longer in the job, 2) Ole had a first full season under his belt for us to actually see whether he can turn bad form around and 3) Ole spent more. That's all I said - I wasn't interested in entertaining anything further but daft posts like yours just keep drawing it out. Those 3 factors are relevant in comparison, and if you disagree then quite frankly, feck off because you chat so much shit on this caf I don't have the energy anymore.

It’s irrelevant because I already told you; you don’t know whether Arteta can do better than Ole if he was given the same money as Ole to spend, had 6 months longer and fulfil his first full season. The only thing we can compare at this moment is what managers have done in managing and improving his players. Ole have done better in this aspect.

VP89 · Dec 1, 2020

UNITED ACADEMY said:
In those 10 league games, Martial scored 3 goals in 4 league start games, missed 6 games due to injuries & Rashford scored 5 goals in those 10 league games. On the other hand Auba only scored 2 in 10, Laca is their top scorer with 3 goals and has been dropped on the bench due to poor performance.

Believe what you believe, you can be salty and call it garbage but the numbers don’t lie that both Martial & Rashford have shown sign improvement under Ole in those 10 games. While under Arteta players didn’t show any sign of improvement.

It was an article of Xhaka improvement after ‘’3 months’’ Emery took in charge which the same shit what you posted Xhaka improvement after ‘’3 months’’ Arteta took in charge. 2 years old article because Emery was in charged in 2018, you don’t know why it was a 2 years article?

Aubameyang also scored 22 league goals in 18/19 under Emery. Both Auba & Xhaka under Emery remained the same level under Arteta.

It’s irrelevant because I already told you; you don’t know whether Arteta can do better than Ole if he was given the same money as Ole to spend, had 6 months longer and fulfil his first full season. The only thing we can compare at this moment is what managers have done in managing and improving his players. Ole have done better in this aspect.

Honestly, don't quote me ever again. You talk so much rubbish and clearly can't even read posts.

Trying to suggest Xakha now for Arteta was as bad as he ever was for Emery, sure try to convince arsenal fans about that. Absolute bollocks and your hilarious attempt to take posts from a matchday thread is even more laughable.

Claiming Rashford and Martial starts were improvements under Ole? Please, Rashford and Martial achieved similar numbers before under previous managers. So don't chat shit. 10 games in last season our football was shit, we looked no different to Jose and our players looked like they hadn't progressed. We had the same fecking points as Arsenal do now on top :lol:

Trying to then suggest I endorsed comparing Ole and Arteta when in the post I originally quoted, I clearly suggested it's stupid to do so because one has spent more and is longer in the process and has had his first full season. I said many times I have no interest in comparing managers and now you finally come out and appearingly agree. But you also chat shit in claiming Ole improved players in his first 10 games which he didn't.

Just don't quote me again, you aren't worth any further effort debating with.

Murray3007 · Dec 1, 2020

still never sure how he got the job in the first place, surely had to be better options around, plays some awful football, majority of the squad needs shipped out, signings have been rather poor since he came in. Auba produced moments of magic last year to produce the FA Cup, now hes got his big deal he looks like he has pulled a Sanchez here. the Arsenal TV has been comedy gold to be fair.

crossy1686 · Dec 1, 2020

reelworld said:
People think because he's Spanish and coached for a couple of years under Pep he's a Pep disciple.
But he spent 6 seasons play under Moyes. Who's to say that Moyes isn't a more influence to him?

I think people really need to take stock in the fact there isn't a lot of difference between managers at the very top level. you can have ideals and philosophies but at the end of the day you need the players to be able to execute anything you would like to do.

Arteta isn't a bad manager but he isn't better than anyone else in the league. We all know Pep would struggle if he wasn't managing a team with a budget of a country or a team that contains the best players in the world. People think Mourinho has lost it but he has managed teams that aren't either of those two things and still won trophies.

There's far too much emphasis placed on a managerial appointment.

Jacko21 · Dec 1, 2020

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Blimey, what a stat that is.

LilyWhiteSpur · Dec 1, 2020

crossy1686 said:
I think people really need to take stock in the fact there isn't a lot of difference between managers at the very top level. you can have ideals and philosophies but at the end of the day you need the players to be able to execute anything you would like to do.

Arteta isn't a bad manager but he isn't better than anyone else in the league. We all know Pep would struggle if he wasn't managing a team with a budget of a country or a team that contains the best players in the world. People think Mourinho has lost it but he has managed teams that aren't either of those two things and still won trophies.

There's far too much emphasis placed on a managerial appointment.

Tactics, philosophies, styles of play are all useless unless you have the personality and man management skills to get your team to buy into it.

RUCK4444 · Dec 1, 2020

GledTheRed said:
Nice watching this lot go to shit after jizzing themselves when they parked the bus at OT.

This. The amount of people at the time saying it was a brilliant performance from them - it was nothing at all special, we were just woeful and couldn't put two passes together.

Somebody in work was comparing Partey to Viera, saying how awesome he was!! I almost threw a shoe at him.

amolbhatia50k · Dec 1, 2020

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With shades of Moyes too. Working his way through the greatest hits of United’s managerial flops.

I don't get this whole transformation of Arsenal that he's apparently carried out. He just seems to be a conservative coach who has made them a counter attacking team that can be solid but it comes at the expense of any semblance of exciting football.

amolbhatia50k · Dec 1, 2020

GledTheRed said:
Nice watching this lot go to shit after jizzing themselves when they parked the bus at OT.

To be fair, they were better than us at Old Trafford which Arsenal never ever do. And in games like that , for the lesser team, its often about the result. It's the other games where them being both boring and terrible should be indicative of the overrating of Arteta.

crossy1686 · Dec 1, 2020

InLevyITrust said:
Tactics, philosophies, styles of play are all useless unless you have the personality and man management skills to get your team to buy into it.

Absolutely, and this is the main point and skillset of a manager. Getting people to buy in, being charismatic, excellent social skills and astuteness to what is going on amongst staff etc.

Ultimately all managers say is "this is how we put the ball in their net and this is how we keep it out of ours". If no one believes in what they're saying it doesn't matter.

crossy1686 · Dec 1, 2020

amolbhatia50k said:
I don't get this whole transformation of Arsenal that he's apparently carried out. He just seems to be a conservative coach who has made them a counter attacking team that can be solid but it comes at the expense of any semblance of exciting football.

They resemble us when Ole first took over but we had players better suited to counter than Arsenal do. They need a wake-up call, I said last season they were in for a bad time. They've not got the players going forward to do any damage in games so they have to ensure they don't concede instead. If they don't commit to giving Arteta 4 to 5 seasons they're going to be in an even worse place next season if they sack him. There's no quick fix for their issues, the same as there was no quick fix for us.

LilyWhiteSpur · Dec 1, 2020

crossy1686 said:
Absolutely, and this is the main point and skillset of a manager. Getting people to buy in, being charismatic, excellent social skills and astuteness to what is going on amongst staff etc.

Ultimately all managers say is "this is how we put the ball in their net and this is how we keep it out of ours". If no one believes in what they're saying it doesn't matter.

Its so underrated in management as a whole, even outside of football. Obviously successful managers have a reputation that comes before them when coming to a new club which will also count for a lot, but usually this reputation is born from success which again comes from the ability to man manage.

Anyway back to Arsenal, this was always going to happen after Wenger left, and honestly when you look at the squad when Wenger left its probably better than the squad they have now which is remarkable.

flappyjay · Dec 1, 2020

The Arsenal crumble is always so fun because they hype themselves up so much. Last season they thought they had the 3rd best team in the league. This year they thought they had a decent team and a manager who is better than Ole and Lampard so in their minds they would make the step from 8th to top 4 easy.

As for Arteta I only have sympathy because at this moment their only decent players are Partey and Aubameyang(when he is bothered). Outside these 2 most of their squad wouldn't make our bench. You would see them clown the likes of Fred, Bissaka and even Rashford yet this lot strolls into that arsenal team.

FrankDrebin · Dec 1, 2020

Arteta has Steve Round and Albert Stuivenberg on his coaching staff. Coaches who were part of two notoriously dour viewing United sides.

SuperiorXI · Dec 1, 2020

They were actually really poor and needed a soft pen to beat us, not sure why they got all excited... they were dreadful and we were the better team on the day even though we were shite.

AshRK · Dec 1, 2020

flappyjay said:
The Arsenal crumble is always so fun because they hype themselves up so much. Last season they thought they had the 3rd best team in the league. This year they thought they had a decent team and a manager who is better than Ole and Lampard so in their minds they would make the step from 8th to top 4 easy.

As for Arteta I only have sympathy because at this moment their only decent players are Partey and Aubameyang(when he is bothered). Outside these 2 most of their squad wouldn't make our bench. You would see them clown the likes of Fred, Bissaka and even Rashford yet this lot strolls into that arsenal team.

I disagree. I would have tierney over shaw. Nothing much of a huge difference but I like Tierney. I would take saka in a heartbeat. Top talent who can be used like Greenwood. Gabriel looks a good defender and would start ahead of Lindelof. I also like AMN (Ainsley) and very surprised arteta doesn't trust him that much to play RB ahead of that bang average Bellerin. I would definitely have AMN as a back up to AWB. Then you have Aubameyang, who I am not a huge fan but at this moment he will be our number 9 if he were here. Partey would easily slot into our midfield.

Rest I won't have here but they still are decent players if used properly. People act as of his squad is crap like Fulham or Sheffield. They do have some very good players who can play fornother big clubs in the PL.

GledTheRed · Dec 1, 2020

amolbhatia50k said:
To be fair, they were better than us at Old Trafford which Arsenal never ever do. And in games like that , for the lesser team, its often about the result. It's the other games where them being both boring and terrible should be indicative of the overrating of Arteta.

They were average, we were terrible. Far from the masterclass it was being labelled as, Keano was calling it after the game saying Arsenal weren't all that.

UNITED ACADEMY · Dec 1, 2020

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Honestly, don't quote me ever again. You talk so much rubbish and clearly can't even read posts.

Trying to suggest Xakha now for Arteta was as bad as he ever was for Emery, sure try to convince arsenal fans about that. Absolute bollocks and your hilarious attempt to take posts from a matchday thread is even more laughable.

Claiming Rashford and Martial starts were improvements under Ole? Please, Rashford and Martial achieved similar numbers before under previous managers. So don't chat shit. 10 games in last season our football was shit, we looked no different to Jose and our players looked like they hadn't progressed. We had the same fecking points as Arsenal do now on top

Trying to then suggest I endorsed comparing Ole and Arteta when in the post I originally quoted, I clearly suggested it's stupid to do so because one has spent more and is longer in the process and has had his first full season. I said many times I have no interest in comparing managers and now you finally come out and appearingly agree. But you also chat shit in claiming Ole improved players in his first 10 games which he didn't.

Just don't quote me again, you aren't worth any further effort debating with.

You don't know what you are talking about and what you are reading that's why you don't understand anything.

You can't accept reality, you always argue with fact and even if you claimed it as ''that's only opinion'', well, you can always agree and disagree can't you? Of course you can't, you always disrespect different opinion by calling it rubbish & bollocks.

You moaned about my article stated Xhaka's improvement under Emery because it was based on Emery first 3 months performance but you used Xhaka's article under Arteta based on Arteta first 3 months. That's hillarious. :lol:

You said you don't care about Arteta vs Ole, and yet you are still talking about it. :lol:

Make up your mind, you got issue.

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