Ole Outers will always move their narrative. Only finish 3rd cause of a poor league, only finish 3rd cause of injuries.
Also funny how players always seem to get free pass. So when we win it is because of individual brilliance well then if they miss easy chances why shouldn't they take the blame.
Ole might not be a bad manager but is he good enough is the question, we need elite and if it was anyone other than a club legend we'd all be unified in wanting them gone.
Exactly, I get the Fred incident but he took ownership saying he should have taken him off.
The break away goal was not due to Ole. So you think Ole will say to not keep the shape. If we regularly conceded such stupid goals then yes Ole has to take the blame but that was a one off goal due to players' naivety. Even Leipzig yesterday could have drawn or lost to them but thanks to Istanbul's keeper they got the win. Shit happens.
I agree, he may not be an elite manager but we also have to remember we had an elite manager here before him and he took us to Sevilla and made United fans feel small with his comments after.
I feel it's a built up frustration for fans for Ole. They all have made up their minds and want him gone asap. So one poor result and they just jump on him. Even of Ole is to win a trophy or two these fans will be here to stay and keep changing the goal post.
It is not one poor result. Ole has been here for 2 years and his tenure can be described as inconsistent. By the way he is yet to win a trophy with us unlike Van Gaal or Jose.
This.
Trophy wise Van gaal and Jose may be remembered morw but personally football wise I enjoy our football more under Ole.
simple mathematics, you have 11 players, higher chance to create chances, higher chance to score. I cant see the point of discussing it to be honest. It was pure idiocy of him to let Fred on the pitch. Viasat pundits already in half time said Fred is on an orange card (referring to the fact he is 1 small step away from a red card) and they were sure he was going to take him off.
Its a question that is going to be held over every United manager until we are winning titles or CLs again.
How stupid is this? is he for real? The player was walking back to his goal and his heel was pointing to our goal, so it does not matter how big his shoes are ffs it will only be bigger in the other (onside) direction. Stupid.
No one would have done that. Absolutely no one.
Arsenal may have enjoyed their football style under Wenger, but it is trophies that count at the end of the day. Same applies to all big clubs Bayern, Real, Barca, Juve etc. Also, Ole is yet to achieve anything remotely close to what LvG and Jose have.
Yes that is true. Like I said for trophies Jose and van gaal so far will be remembered more. I was just talking about our football in general.
But football isn’t simple mathematic. You don’t know what’s going to happen if it’s 11 v 11 because we were already 2-1 down when it was 11 v 11.
Are you sure? People would have blamed Ole for Martial's miss
It's best not to pay too much attention to Ole's public utterances.
It was tongue in cheek. Why take it so literally?
To be against a manger from the second he signed is pretty stupid though isn't it? He's a proper legend and did amazingly well when he dropped in to rescue us post Jose.
I am an Ole out myself but you're being an arse here. He didn't say that
Can the mods please tag this user with such a brilliant statement . You really think Ole is the fourth best manager in world football?I have seen some horrible post and a whole lot of delusional post, but this one has to be up there.
I agree
Alot of those fans have said I dont care if he wins the PL or CL, they still want him gone. This shows that they are not here for the team.
That's always what I can never understand. Fans who are SO devoted to United wanting us to lose just to prove their point.
100% - and for large parts of the game last night we were totally competitive.
Context really matters. He was saying the game was decided by things that went against us after we got away with the Fred incident. I.e getting a yellow from VAR (it's red or nothing which is odd), the second goal was just pinball rather than us getting cut open, Cavani just missing his moment, etc. I don't think he shied away from responsibility though. He did say Fred was lucky to not see red, and he did agree he probably should have taken him off, but they needed his presence too and he was advised to keep on his feet.
Is this the greatest plot twist in history. Crazy character development
I'm neither Ole in nor Ole out - I flip flop all the time but to think there is this animosity when a) we're not doing terribly b) actually got a great squad c) managed by one of our own is absolutely nuts.
Not for years. It's ok to judge properly, I think Ole made some poor decisions last night but also we were literally slugging away with PSG for large parts of the game and until Fred got sent off I was actually enjoying the match. It was exciting. Feeling that in Europe is priceless regardless of your feelings towards Ole. Just fecking enjoy it.
I said it earlier, bigger name managers than Ole have had results worse than that in the past.
Its a silly metaphor, no need to get worked upWell tbf, in last week or two this thread became more "normal" than it used to be. More arguments and less insults.
I very much doubt its the case.
I am actually more towards Ole out than in but I still want him to do well and try win things with us. Even though I am Ole out, I cannot blame him for everything. I do get frustrated like V Istanbul and Arsenal as well as Fred yesterday but the result and performance yesterday was not something I would say should cost him his job.
I think its got to a point where some people are so far Ole out that they cannot enjoy games anymore, they just focus on negatives. I enjoyed going toe to toe with PSG. Mbappe and Neymar can embarrass the best of defenders. Thought our CB's did well yesterday.
Hes just not very smart. The captitulation versus Tottenham where he didn't react to the Martial sending off and today are prime examples of his lack of experience and quality. Had Fred been sent off earlier, we'd have been thrashed in the same manner. Ole was given two lives last night and he wasted it. Moments like these don't inspire me with confidence.
You would be surprised what people say on here.
Yeah, have been reading @VP89 's posts since morning and it seems that he's gone from one end of the spectrum to the correct end of the spectrum.
This.
