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:boring::boring::boring: he is like clockwork that particular user. A bad Utd result he is nowhere to be seen, Chelsea lose or draw? Logs in and enters this thread immediately. Suspect a lot is tongue in cheek and trolling, but its a bit silly. I think it is the same user who claimed I was living in fantasy football land thinking we'd sign all the positions i predicted.... guess what? We did sign them all :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's not his worst prediction, check out his comments in the "will the PL be voided" thread although in fairness he's one of many on this occasion.
 

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World class: Salah, VVD, Kane & prime Aguero

Mid tier and low tier world class: Thiago, Mane, Son, Bruno, KDB, Sterling.

Sums it up, there is no world class in the current Chelsea players in my opinion. Their XI aren’t that special about the same as ours. They have slightly better squad depth quality only.
Criminally underrating Mane & KDB.
 

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It seems the Chelsea pensioners have been bitching behind my back at their socially distanced tier 2 Bridge Club.

You love to see it!
 

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It seems the Chelsea pensioners have been bitching behind my back at their socially distanced tier 2 Bridge Club.

You love to see it!
If we were going to chat behind your back we wouldn't choose the thread you live in would we?
 

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For me, Salah and Aguero have to be out of that world class category, replaced by Bruno, Trent and KdB. I have a small category of world class players as imo, for one to be world class, they have to get into a WORLD XI. That is what world class means after all, best in the world. Therefore, for me, there are only 11 world class players in the world, and they are:

Neuer
TAA Ramos VVD Davies
Kimmich
KdB Bruno
Messi Kane Ronaldo
What the hell is this ? So when R9,Shevchenko, Raul, RVN and Henry were in their prime only one/two them could be deemed world class?

World class status is dependant on you deciding to pick 433? Messi and Ronaldo barely play on the wings anymore and Bruno is a world class 10 not 8.

Only 1 goalkeeper can be world class at a time? Such a bizzare way to judge players.
 

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What the hell is this ? So when R9,Shevchenko, Raul, RVN and Henry were in their prime only one/two them could be deemed world class?

World class status is dependant on you deciding to pick 433? Messi and Ronaldo barely play on the wings anymore and Bruno is a world class 10 not 8.

Only 1 goalkeeper can be world class at a time? Such a bizzare way to judge players.
Yes. It’s all about different definitions.
 

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I live inside your heads it seems.
Yet it's you on here going on furious rants about our club and players.

Never change though, the bitters like yourself only serve to make the success even sweeter.
 

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Yet it's you on here going on furious rants about our club and players.

Never change though, the bitters like yourself only serve to make the success even sweeter.
Yes I'm bitter about a club that is less successful than my own. Sounds legit.
 

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This game highlights why Lampard is miles off being ready to challenge for titles as a manager. When you have your 3 wingers out, you do not just throw a midfielder and a striker at winger, you adapt and play to suit your squad.

3 at the back with James and Chilwell wingbacks. It’s not entirely difficult to realise this is an option, yet tactical Frank likes to mess about with Havertz. He is going to destroy Havertz this season. This kid has all the attributes but he’s not a RW or a CM, he clearly players better slightly behind a striker but Frank is too afraid to play with 2 central midfielders, he is more concerned about defending that our feeble attack in big games.

He is also going to destroy Werner. The guy said he prefers playing striker yet he has rarely featured in this position since joining.

That is now Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs and Everton where we have failed to score a goal due to our horrendous lack of ambition from starting more difficult games.

Frank has a lot of positives as a manager however his in game management and his tactics really need to improve.

The difference between Frank and OGS? The fans. Look at the Chelsea fans forum. It is littered with happy-clapping armchair fans and a clueless moderation team who ban anyone daring to criticise Lampard’s tactics and disagree with the moderators. Then there is the fact that Lampard is English and gets an easier ride from the media. He’s the only Englishman in charge of a top club in the PL.
I don't know whichever hole of a fan forum you've found yourself in, but the ones I'm in certainly don't ban anyone from critisizing Lampard.
“littered with happy-clapping armchair fans"....yeah I'd probably ban you from my forum too. You can make a constructive criticism without belittling the views of those who disagree with you. I apologize on behalf of all those fans who absolutely feel no need to pick up pitchforks with you. Your day will surely come, but its nowhere close to now with the season we are having sofar.
 

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I'm a little confused here.

After about a month you lot happily (and rightly) declared Bruno world class and a difference maker but we can't do the same with Silva after three months despite the fact his presence had contributed to us going from the worst defense in the top half to arguably the best in the league? Sounds fair!
I’m not sure any reasonable United fans called him World Class after a month, in fact I still wouldn’t.
 

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I said this Chelsea side was a bit of smoke and mirrors


And just look at the split between their performance against top and bottom-half opposition. Chelsea have played seven league games against clubs currently in the bottom half, winning six and drawing one while scoring at a rate of over three goals per game.

Against top-half teams, they have drawn three and lost two of their five games and scored only three times. All of them were in the 3-3 home draw against Southampton when again the balance was wrong – they conceded three times. Against Tottenham, Everton, Manchester United and Liverpool, Chelsea have failed to score and had just ten shots on target in total



Theres so much going on in this league that would be big stories from previous seasons are used in throwaway articles today.
 

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I don't know whichever hole of a fan forum you've found yourself in, but the ones I'm in certainly don't ban anyone from critisizing Lampard.
“littered with happy-clapping armchair fans"....yeah I'd probably ban you from my forum too. You can make a constructive criticism without belittling the views of those who disagree with you. I apologize on behalf of all those fans who absolutely feel no need to pick up pitchforks with you. Your day will surely come, but its nowhere close to now with the season we are having sofar.
Well, yes they did. Critiquing Lampard after the West Brom game and the horrendous decision to start Tammy against Spurs.

But this is a different forum away from the happy-clapping clique and you can put a point across on here without the armchair brigade having their moan. Actually, one time a moderator defended Lampard’s tactics then admitted to not even watching the game. Utterly horrific.

Lampard has made a lot of silly mistakes this season and gets off with it because he’s a) a legend and b) English.

His decision making in the game against Everton was utterly horrendous. He is a young manager with a lot of potential but he needs to seriously improve his game management in more difficult games. We have still yet to score against difficult teams in the league.
 

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I said this Chelsea side was a bit of smoke and mirrors


And just look at the split between their performance against top and bottom-half opposition. Chelsea have played seven league games against clubs currently in the bottom half, winning six and drawing one while scoring at a rate of over three goals per game.

Against top-half teams, they have drawn three and lost two of their five games and scored only three times. All of them were in the 3-3 home draw against Southampton when again the balance was wrong – they conceded three times. Against Tottenham, Everton, Manchester United and Liverpool, Chelsea have failed to score and had just ten shots on target in total



Theres so much going on in this league that would be big stories from previous seasons are used in throwaway articles today.
United weren't a top half team when we played them. They don't count.

Seriously though, I'm not concerned about this. I'm confident about where we are and how the season is going so far. We have West Ham in our next home game, so I suppose we'll get a good chance to get a top 10 win soon.
 

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United weren't a top half team when we played them. They don't count.
We were never more than our game in hand from being a top half side! Otherwise the first few games when everybody has played a handful of games messes this type of stat up.
Todays table shows us who has been the best sides thus fsr and you seem to struggle against teams who have a sustained semblance of quality.
 

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We were never more than our game in hand from being a top half side! Otherwise the first few games when everybody has played a handful of games messes this type of stat up.
Todays table shows us who has been the best sides thus fsr and you seem to struggle against teams who have a sustained semblance of quality.
Liverpool - Kepa in goal.
United - Lampard went with a cautious approach, we had just conceded 3 goals vs Southampton in the preceding game.
Spurs - Both teams were cautious. Could have won this, but both teams seemed too afraid to lose. Spurs had just destroyed City on the counter.
Everton - Disappointing loss, but we were unlucky, in my opinion. We played well enough, hit the the post twice, conceded a penalty. Missed a lot of creativity through injury.

Those games may suggest a pattern to some, but for me they can be individually explained with context. I hear what you're saying, but I'm not concerned about this. We regularly beat top 7 teams last season with a worse team.
 

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Liverpool - Kepa in goal.
United - Lampard went with a cautious approach, we had just conceded 3 goals vs Southampton in the preceding game.
Spurs - Both teams were cautious. Could have won this, but both teams seemed too afraid to lose. Spurs had just destroyed City on the counter.
Everton - Disappointing loss, but we were unlucky, in my opinion. We played well enough, hit the the post twice, conceded a penalty. Missed a lot of creativity through injury.

Those games may suggest a pattern to some, but for me they can be individually explained with context. I hear what you're saying, but I'm not concerned about this. We regularly beat top 7 teams last season with a worse team.
Im not saying its terminal or anything but its hard to explain away the 10 shots on target stat.
Every club has this sort of run this season. Utd home run (difficult games tbf) liverpool away games, your top half record, whatever record City has laying mid table.
Its why its so mind numbing watching Utd fans use our home form stat as a reason why we cant challenge. Everybody is suffering in one way or another
 

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Liverpool - Kepa in goal.
United - Lampard went with a cautious approach, we had just conceded 3 goals vs Southampton in the preceding game.
Spurs - Both teams were cautious. Could have won this, but both teams seemed too afraid to lose. Spurs had just destroyed City on the counter.
Everton - Disappointing loss, but we were unlucky, in my opinion. We played well enough, hit the the post twice, conceded a penalty. Missed a lot of creativity through injury.

Those games may suggest a pattern to some, but for me they can be individually explained with context. I hear what you're saying, but I'm not concerned about this. We regularly beat top 7 teams last season with a worse team.
Also it has to be noted we're not the only team struggling to score in big games, for some reason the managers have suddenly become shit scared of losing them they're effectively shaking hands on 0-0's before kick off, even Pep has started doing it. Maybe the fact that the title appears to be quite open this year combined with what happened to United against Spurs are scaring the managers into submission on the 6 pointers?

This is the first time since the Chelsea/Rafa/CR7 era that the big one's are feeling like chess matches on such a regular basis.
 

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Quite like this Chelsea line up. If I’m being honest though, Kovacic is better as an 8 than Havertz.

Pulisic, Werner and Giroud up top is dangerous.
 

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The loss was disappointing, but Goodison park happens, take your lump and move on.

Looking forward to today.
 

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Chelsea has all the stuff needed to dominate PL imo. Best academy and loads of money, thankfully they've a substandard manager. Long it may go.
 
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"Guaranteed top 4" and "in the title race" Chelsea are now 2 points above "in-crisis" Manchester United having played two more games. Still haven't beaten a top 10 team this season. You love to see it.

Werner and Havertz were shocking today. Fair enough, Havertz is going to take a while to get used to the pace of the league with his style of play, but I'm really struggling to see what Werner brings to the side other than pace. Was tripping over his feet today and can't beat a man to save his life. Once Ziyech is back, him and Pulisic should start on the wings.
 

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Chelsea starting XI is nothing special, they have very good depth though. Talent yes but current level are not there yet. I have said it before that they spent those money just to level their XI to ours. I never understand why people in here were scared of Chelsea at the start of season. You can't name a world class player in their current squad.
 
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"Guaranteed top 4" and "in the title race" Chelsea are now 2 points above "in-crisis" Manchester United having played two more games. Still haven't beaten a top 10 team this season. You love to see it.

Werner and Havertz were shocking today. Fair enough, Havertz is going to take a while to get used to the pace of the league with his style of play, but I'm really struggling to see what Werner brings to the side other than pace. Was tripping over his feet today and can't beat a man to save his life. Once Ziyech is back, him and Pulisic should start on the wings.
there has been such a big effect of always being a game behind in respect of pundits and fans who look at the table for United.

clearly games in hand aren’t a guarantee of points - but it’s amusing to see our fans and most pundits not being able to comprehend the actual situation.
 
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there has been such a big effect of always being a game behind in respect of pundits and fans who look at the table for United.

clearly games in hand aren’t a guarantee of points - but it’s amusing to see our fans and most pundits not being able to comprehend the actual situation.
So fecking annoying. That game in hand was against Burnley as well, who we would've smashed at the start of the season even with our complete lack of fitness :mad: They'll be in peak shithousery form when we play them
 

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That's not true, Silva, Kante, Pulisic, Ziyech and (if he keeps up his recent burst) James all are.

Our main issue is our play relies on combination play between the wingers and fullback, need a lot more variety.
World class?? :lol: Lewandowski, Neymar, Mbappe, KDB, Kane, Salah, VVD must be universe class then.
 

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That's not true, Silva, Kante, Pulisic, Ziyech and (if he keeps up his recent burst) James all are.

Our main issue is our play relies on combination play between the wingers and fullback, need a lot more variety.
World class is pushing it a bit.
 

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Oh you're one of them "they can only be world class if they make a world Xl".

Never mind.
Nope. Allison, Neuer, Stegen, KDB, Mane, Salah, Sterling, Ronaldo, Messi, Ramos, VVD, Lewandowski, Kane, Kimmich, Muller, Mbappe, Neymar.

That's more than 11 players. What are you gonna say? You are not going to tell me that your players are comparable to those. :lol: