SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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  1. Health Secretary Matt Hancock says new variant of Covid-19 found in parts of UK
    [*]Hancock says it's thought the variant is contributing to faster spread in southern England
    [*]But he says there's no indication it causes worse illness or will not respond to vaccine
After all this time. They really don't have a clue about this virus.
 

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Yes, because the people who live and work in London are all that one Bully.

No idea why you want to take pleasure at a part of the country going into stricter measures?
Because London gets away with far too much and the Northerners have been paying the price so far. Hell, i wouldn't even be surprised if London's figures have been being massaged over the last few months to avoid facing tier 3.
 

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I Must admit, i am having a good chuckle to myself with the news of London going tier 3. I think its brilliant as we are likely to go tier 2 on Wednesday. Reminds me 1994 when a school bully went to headbutt someone, missed and fell down a flight of stairs..... Fantastic
lolz lolz lolz

More people getting sick from covid.

haha haha haha.
 

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Because London gets away with far too much and the Northerners have been paying the price so far. Hell, i wouldn't even be surprised if London's figures have been being massaged over the last few months to avoid facing tier 3.
And that is my fault how?
 

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Just been confirmed that London are going Tier 3. Nice for the Arsenal fans.


London should have been Tier 3 from the off. This was inevitable.
What are they on about? They're delighted not to have to have 2,000 fans boo them from the off
 

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Because London gets away with far too much and the Northerners have been paying the price so far. Hell, i wouldn't even be surprised if London's figures have been being massaged over the last few months to avoid facing tier 3.
Jesus wept :lol:
 

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And that is my fault how?
I don't know and i don't care. The level of contempt shown to us has been disgusting recently. I am no expert on economics but I imagine many Southern business have benefitted from the death of many Northern businesses these last few months.
Welcome to tier 3. Its shit.
 

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I don't know and i don't care. The level of contempt shown to us has been disgusting recently. I am no expert on economics but I imagine many Southern business have benefitted from the death of many Northern businesses these last few months.
Welcome to tier 3. Its shit.
There's no doubt that unless you live in the north, you can't really appreciate how successive British governments have neglected it. I remember when London got new rolling stock for the railway, and the NW got their old carriages. That seemed like a slap in the face.
 

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There's no doubt that unless you live in the north, you can't really appreciate how successive British governments have neglected it. I remember when London got new rolling stock for the railway, and the NW got their old carriages. That seemed like a slap in the face.
Wow, i never knew this. How patronising is that?
 

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I don't know and i don't care. The level of contempt shown to us has been disgusting recently. I am no expert on economics but I imagine many Southern business have benefitted from the death of many Northern businesses these last few months.
Welcome to tier 3. Its shit.
You obviously do care because you are merrily laughing that London is now in Tier 3.

As for the level of contempt shown to 'us' – no idea why you feel people like me have been showing you said contempt, but, at least on behalf of me, I haven't.

As for your last comment – at least I can agree you are no expert.
 

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Ay up our kid! Those metropolitan elite down south get away with everything, that bloody covid with teach them a lesson. Hahah no offensive hahaha

Grow up. i have never wished Covid on anyway so lets not be twisting words. I am just glad your free pass has run out and you can now sit on a level with the rest of the UK.
 

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There's no doubt that unless you live in the north, you can't really appreciate how successive British governments have neglected it. I remember when London got new rolling stock for the railway, and the NW got their old carriages. That seemed like a slap in the face.
I can see how that is precisely the same at being happy for millions of people to go into stricter restrictions.

And don't put the actions of the government upon those who live and work here.
 

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Grow up. i have never wished Covid on anyway so lets not be twisting words. I am just glad your free pass has run out and you can now sit on a level with the rest of the UK.
No, you have never wished it but you are happy the rates are going up 'down south'.

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You obviously do care because you are merrily laughing that London is now in Tier 3.

As for the level of contempt shown to 'us' – no idea why you feel people like me have been showing you said contempt, but, at least on behalf of me, I haven't.

As for your last comment – at least I can agree you are no expert.
No, I mean I don't care about you personally.
You're right, I must care if I take a bit of joy from London going into tier 3. I promise you I am not alone.
Since March we have been told that rates and cases are not bad in London, despite the rest of the UK seeing pictures of cramped tubes, trains, buses etc. How can it be that the most densely populated city in the UK had one of the best R rates all the way through?
Maybe, just maybe, Londons true figures have been hid all this time and due to the financial implications of a lockdown in London, the rest of the UK has been made to suffer tier 3 lockdowns to bring the national average down.

Look, if you have your own business down there, I hope you survive, i really do. My slight smirk regarding the 'London, tier 3' situation is born from a political position and not against you or any other Londoner personally.
Its just good to see some fair treatment. Thats all.
 

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I have a question I suspect what the answer will be but it might be worth asking.

Is the order of groups totally strict?

i.e. Say a lady of 82 gets a phone call to get the vaccination and her husband is 78 do they do them in different waves if the set it at 80+ first or would they get the husband done the same time?
 

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I have a question I suspect what the answer will be but it might be worth asking.

Is the order of groups totally strict?

i.e. Say a lady of 82 gets a phone call to get the vaccination and her husband is 78 do they do them in different waves if the set it at 80+ first or would they get the husband done the same time?
Great question! Although I suspect it will be strict. Better for that couple to have one of them vaccinated than neither of them and not fair for him to get the jab ahead of an 80+ year old.

Speaking of bending the rules there’s an interesting idea in Ireland whereby carehome residents can nominate a “buddy” to get vaccinated at the same time, so they can get a regular visitor in to see them.
 

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No, you have never wished it but you are happy the rates are going up 'down south'.

Twat
Crazy idea but I think covid rates rising anywhere in Britain is a bad thing.
I doubt he's celebrating the deaths or the rise in case numbers. I think he, and a lot more Mancs, were left wondering just what the criteria was that meant London didn't have a Tier3 worthy problem two weeks ago. Manchester was basically operating under 2/3 rules from late July and got very little financial help - when Andy Burnham etc complained that punishing a region for being poor, having overcrowded housing etc, wouldn't fix anything, and the lack of support was making it poorer.

From a Manc perspective nothing changed until London got caught up in the restrictions and suddenly Burnham's unreasonable demands were easily met for London and the south, but were not backdated to deal with the same problems in areas who'd been coping for longer.

The question of criteria made it worse - when Manchester went into local measures it had less cases/100k than most Tier1 areas do now. When the post-national lockdown tiers were announced Manchester's rates were falling fast and London's were rising and they weren't that far apart even in raw numbers.

On an emotional level there's a big slice of schadenfreude underway. On a practical level though - there's a real sense that actually the government does bugger all to help people or businesses until it effects the capital, at which point they notice that there might be a need to do something. In other words, there is something in it for other areas in trouble. London going into Tier 3 will do a lot more for the other local support packages than Newcastle did.
 

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I doubt he's celebrating the deaths or the rise in case numbers. I think he, and a lot more Mancs, were left wondering just what the criteria was that meant London didn't have a Tier3 worthy problem two weeks ago. Manchester was basically operating under 2/3 rules from late July and got very little financial help - when Andy Burnham etc complained that punishing a region for being poor, having overcrowded housing etc, wouldn't fix anything, and the lack of support was making it poorer.

From a Manc perspective nothing changed until London got caught up in the restrictions and suddenly Burnham's unreasonable demands were easily met for London and the south, but were not backdated to deal with the same problems in areas who'd been coping for longer.

The question of criteria made it worse - when Manchester went into local measures it had less cases/100k than most Tier1 areas do now. When the post-national lockdown tiers were announced Manchester's rates were falling fast and London's were rising and they weren't that far apart even in raw numbers.

On an emotional level there's a big slice of schadenfreude underway. On a practical level though - there's a real sense that actually the government does bugger all to help people or businesses until it effects the capital, at which point they notice that there might be a need to do something. In other words, there is something in it for other areas in trouble. London going into Tier 3 will do a lot more for the other local support packages than Newcastle did.
Worded better than I ever could myself. Thank you!
 

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Whatever happened to the herd immunity strategy by the way? Genuinely curious. I've been home all year anyway so I've missed the news a bit.
 

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Why is Britain full of people who hate each other ?

Such a bizarre and depressing island.
It's typical that you'd defend Boris and your Tory mates.

Back in October, Manchester asked for 80% of funding towards furlough in our local lockdown. We got offered 60% because the government apparently couldn't afford it:


Then a few days later, it was announced there'd be a national lockdown which included London. All of a sudden, 80% funding was available again:


Boris tried to prioritise London over the north and he got exposed over it.

And when it came to deciding on the covid tiers, we were used a political football once again as a way to get back at Mayor Burnham for causing a fuss in the national papers, despite having better figures than much of the south:


The Tory plan was to protect the London economy over its busy Christmas period, and to teach those uppity northerners a lesson. Well, feck them for trying to play those games.

There's no joy in seeing Londoners enter tier 3. But there is schadenfreude for the PM treating us like a national afterthought and seeing his masterplan fail.
 

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It's typical that you'd defend Boris and your Tory mates.

Back in October, Manchester asked for 80% of funding towards furlough in our local lockdown. We got offered 60% because the government apparently couldn't afford it:


Then a few days later, it was announced there'd be a national lockdown which included London. All of a sudden, 80% funding was available again:


Boris tried to prioritise London over the north and he got exposed over it.

And when it came to deciding on the covid tiers, we were used a political football once again as a way to get back at Mayor Burnham for causing a fuss in the national papers, despite having better figures than much of the south:


The Tory plan was to protect the London economy over its busy Christmas period, and to teach those uppity northerners a lesson. Well, feck him for trying to play those games.

There's no joy in seeing Londoners enter tier 3. But there is schadenfreude for the PM treating us like a national afterthought and seeing his masterplan fail.
Great post Dante. With Stats and Facts to show where any ill feeling that i have stems from
 

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It's typical that you'd defend Boris and your Tory mates.
:lol:


On an emotional level there's a big slice of schadenfreude underway. On a practical level though - there's a real sense that actually the government does bugger all to help people or businesses until it effects the capital, at which point they notice that there might be a need to do something. In other words, there is something in it for other areas in trouble. London going into Tier 3 will do a lot more for the other local support packages than Newcastle did.
The key point tbh.

The importance of London over everywhere else in Britain is down to decades long political policies. It has nothing to do with the average londoner.
 

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The key point tbh.

The importance of London over everywhere else in Britain is down to decades long political policies. It has nothing to do with the average londoner.
Yes, London controls the means of wealth production. But just because you identify yourself amongst the bourgeois elite, that doesn't mean that your lot should be allowed trample over the rights of the poorer north.

Decades of policy are not an excuse to maintain inequality and entrench the north/south class struggle. It's no surprise that you'd defend the mechanisms of old capitalism.
 
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It's typical that you'd defend Boris and your Tory mates.

Back in October, Manchester asked for 80% of funding towards furlough in our local lockdown. We got offered 60% because the government apparently couldn't afford it:


Then a few days later, it was announced there'd be a national lockdown which included London. All of a sudden, 80% funding was available again:


Boris tried to prioritise London over the north and he got exposed over it.

And when it came to deciding on the covid tiers, we were used a political football once again as a way to get back at Mayor Burnham for causing a fuss in the national papers, despite having better figures than much of the south:


The Tory plan was to protect the London economy over its busy Christmas period, and to teach those uppity northerners a lesson. Well, feck them for trying to play those games.

There's no joy in seeing Londoners enter tier 3. But there is schadenfreude for the PM treating us like a national afterthought and seeing his masterplan fail.
The north remembers.