Yeah, very true about squad bonuses. There was a great article in July explaining how we actually made a net loss by qualifying for the CL regardless of the Adidas money because of the 10-20% wages increases in players' contracts for CL participation.
People put too much weight on what's being said in the media (including twitter) on every football related topic. Unfortunately.
But if we can sell for example Martial (60M), Pogba (40M) and Pereira (doing well at Lazio so maybe we 20M) for a combined 120M, aren't we better off doing that and buying Haaland than not?
Selling Martial and Pogba? No, we won't be better off. Not even going to comment who would buy them and pay them the wages they'd demand.
1. We might be, and I'm fairly sure both would have lots of interest at their wages, though Pogba's fee might be lower than we'd like.
Any prospective buyer of the club? Or? I don't get this argument.
Yup. We’d also be comfortably top if we had him this season. This is a player that will almost guarantee 20+ league goals per season for the next decade. A striker of that caliber is simply cheat code.
Selling Martial would be terrible business. His link up play is exceptional these days despite not scoring enough. He would at this moment in time be a big loss.
What about next summer when Haaland's release clause is activated
I'd take that to be honest
Yeah, I don't really get this. Do people regret us signing Ronaldo?
I do. Imagine the player Chris Eagles would have been if we hadn’t signed that mercenary who left for Real. Chris would have never left us if we hadn’t suppressed his talent.
Aah yes right in the middle of the infamous "no value in the market" years
Nobody is going to pay us £60m for Martial for Christ’s sake!
why would we sell Martial? He would be a great player to assist Haaland at the very least. Aside from the fact that we want squad depth which is one of the reasons we so dangerous at the moment.
You think Martial would be happy to stick around as a back-up?
Do I care? Only if he performs badly. And who is to say Haaland will be a success? At the moment we combine and rotate between Martial, Rashford, Cavani, Greenwood. In the future it may be Martial, Rashford, Haaland, Greenwood. Lets see but I doubt the club are considering selling any of our young strikers at the minute unless there is a transfer request.
World Cup winning, World class, Captain, Paul Pogba. 40m
Yeah, but a 28 year old this summer with one year left isn't netting 60M, right? 40M however maybe someone pays it to secure him having agreed on an extension.World Cup winning, World class, Captain, Paul Pogba. 40m
You don't have to convince me, I'm a huge Haaland fan but I'm also incredibly cheap and practical when it comes to investment cases. I don't have a proven model to estimate commercial benefits from signing a worldwide football star (as I'm sure he will sell a lot of merch and drive social media engagement through the roof) thus cannot take that into account when evaluating potential transfers. £120m is more than our mandatory annual EBITDA. Considering the uncertainty around this season (record number of new PL player COVID infections last week) and the not-so-remote possibility to have a new hiatus, which would destroy revenue projections, I would never sanction such a transfer fee if I were in charge.
Putting into consideration the fact that winning the league doesn't really bring in that much MORE revenues. For example, two years ago (when City became champions) the first placed team took home only £6m more than the 4th placed (who also qualify for the CL).
I reailze there are additional benefits of being champions but in the world of corporate finance, Profit/Loss statements and business management, an over-investment of nearly £50m really isn't justified by the expected benefits.
I would be very surprised if Manchester United does any serious business this month. We don't have serious injury problems, have considerable depth in every position and are even considering selling and loaning out a few players. Also, why would Dortmund sell Haalad mid-season? Do you think his value will decrease until the summer? If anything, he will continue scoring goals, further proving his class. The summer transfer season will allow clubs to have a more realistic assessment of their financial situations and Dortmund can reasonably expect better returns from a potential bidding war. (unless someone really comes to blow other teams out of the water now with a £120m bid, which as I said, is highly unlikely)
You obviously have sensible points and it's hard to disagree with what you are saying.
1. Wiki has Haaland at 68 goals in 67 season the past 3 years in all comps for club (2 dortmund, one in the Austrian league but he was 19 to be fair) and country. I think Martial is a good striker, but I don't think any neutral would expect him to seriously challenge Haaland for a starting spot. Greenwood as a backup 9 with Cavani challenging him for one year while he beds into that role (and gets some time at RW or when we play 2 up top) seems right to me. We are at the moment struggling to attack down the right with him out wide, but his finishing and 2-footedness in the middle should ensure enough goalscoring there for him not to hurt us while he develops, which he has so far at RW, where he's been our worst starting player by a distance this year (De Gea hasn't been great and the back 4 has conceded a lot, but they've been better).
Making money back from shirt sales is a myth, especially in our kit deal. I can't quite remember the exact figures but they're around 8% per shirt, with Lfc being the only one's who receive more in the PL at 20%.
Our offer (from what we know from media) in the summer was based on add-ons and conditional bonuses. That is a completely different story. We don't know what was the hard base (guaranteed amount, paid immediately) of that offer.
Understood about Greenwood's potential value.
Isn't there a new rule limiting the amount of earnings of agent fees, which would be coming into effect sometime after 2021? I am sure Raiola will try to convince his biggest assist, Haaland, for a big move next summer, if thats the case.
I agree that their original plan was for him to stay for 2,5 years and then choose his next destination, but things have changed a bit since he signed that contract. The original plan when he went to Salzburg was also more long term than what actually happened. Dortmund is struggling at the moment, Favre is gone and they will have to up their game to get a CL spot next year. The Haalands could not know that he would hit the ground running like he did either. There is no reason why they wouldn't consider an offer before 2022 if BVB accepts it and it is the right club in the other end.
He's almost the furthest from toxic you can get. He's just a little cocky in the international media, an act. He's very down to earth in Norwegian media. He would be a popular person in our group of players I'm sure.
He looks like a player who thinks that he is bigger than the club. He is a huge talent though.
