Boris Johnson vs Donald Trump
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I agree, with this type of thing Trump tips the balance in Boris's favour.
Trump is worse . He is simply a sociopath. No matter how many times you watch him, you never even for a second see even a resemblance of empathy. He is just soulless, completely dead inside .
Johnson is your typical right wing racist politician.But there is something human still in him.
Johnson is your typical right wing racist politician.But there is something human still in him.
Neither should be anywhere near leading their countries, especially under these circumstances. But it’s becoming clear that the gravity of the situation facing the UK is slowly starting to set in for Boris.
I think the situation in Italy has made him realise that there is absolutely no chance the NHS is ready to face this and that drastic measures will need to be taken.
I think the situation in Italy has made him realise that there is absolutely no chance the NHS is ready to face this and that drastic measures will need to be taken.
No competition. While both are bafoons, Trump is an order of magnitude worse than Boris. I think Boris tried to do the right thing and messed up badly. Trump's just trying to get people on fox to love him without regard for human life.
Trump makes people like Boris seem palatable even to a left-winger like me.
They're both letting their people die for the sake of the economy.
I mean I don't even know what to say to that.
I mean I don't even know what to say to that.
Governments do this every day. Does the NHS fund every possible drug? No, if it did then we would no longer be able to afford any drugs.
There has to be a balance struck between the economy and individual life, failing to acknowledge this leads to much greater impact on lives in the long term.
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I read somewhere that Boris is an intelligent person who pretends to be a clown while Trump is a clown who pretends to be an intelligent person.
I feel like that wildly overestimates both of their intellects, but it's still Boris every time for me. Although it should be said that gonorrhea is right above Boris on my ranked list of choices, so I'm not exactly lining up for either of them.
I feel like that wildly overestimates both of their intellects, but it's still Boris every time for me. Although it should be said that gonorrhea is right above Boris on my ranked list of choices, so I'm not exactly lining up for either of them.
Apples and oranges. There is no balance between economy and health here, economy is doomed anyway. What do you think will happen to the economy in the UK when the situation becomes like Italy?
It's about minimizing deaths, whilst maintaining the minimum level of Economy required to keep society working during lockdown.
And yes, think about the Economy. After health, of course.
Jonhson is still ignoring the scientific advice.
He refuses to take responsibility for the situation. Won't legally enforce a lock down.
UK's trajectory is literally the same as Italy after 21 days. UK is about to a sprial of shit - the medical world and epidemiologists are begging Johnson to listen.
The fecking cnut's initial approach was 'to let the disease run through the population by taking a low intervention approach' - they publicly tried to distance from this was people told them up to 2 million will die with that approach - but in reality ge is still trying his wreckless 'low intervention' shit.
When the UK public finally wake up (when we are where Italy and Spain now are) Johnson is finished. Him and Cummings will be luck if they're not on trial at the end of this.
Most probably everyone has seen this, but if you haven't I think the section between 4:20 and 8:00 illustrates well, on Boris own words, why he is on a completely level of cleverness. Trump could never rationalize like that.
Boris would flatten him... I know what to expect from Trump, but I never do with Boris and his goons.
Scary that people still trust him
The economic impact is largely due to the shut downs, not the virus itself.
Our ability to pay for a health system is due to the economy, so it's not apples and oranges, it's two sides of the same coin.
By apples and oranges I meant the situation, because I also agree that econony saves lives, and economic crisis cause deaths. I just don't think this logic translates that well to an acute situation.
I think it's a matter of scale and time. It takes time for the economic crisis to kill people and there is a lot you can do during that time to prevent or mitigate that.
Do you not think the virus itself will cause economic impact? We'll have the chance to readress this issue in a few months, but my bet is that the countries that will (or have attempted to) "prioritize the economy" will have worse results, not just in terms of health (this is obvious) but also in terms of economic consequences. I don't have a way to sustain this opinion, it's just my gut feeling.
In places where things will get worse than Italy, I doubt governments will need to enforce shutdowns. Most people will be terrified when that crap comes knocking on their door.
It’s not a debate that Boris is more intelligent than Trump. Boris is well educated, cultured and intelligent. Trump is really base in comparison to most people. I think Trump’s greatest talent is his narcissism and the unwavering confidence it gives him.
you‘ll never see Trump doing anything like this
They’re both populists with stupid hair and an unorthodox style but that’s where the similarities end.
Trump is an ignorant imbecile. Bojo is not ignorant at all. If it's a choice between them it's Boris all the way. I think Cummings is a bad influence on Boris. Remove him and he may turn out to be better than what he is right now.
Would you rather have a tramp shit on your face, or a hooker shit on your face?
I know what Trump would choose if you changed it to piss on your face.
Donald would never go prerecorded.
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I bet Boris doesn't even come close.
330M Americans and 8.5M watching Trump is considered a success?
Boris Johnson got 27m viewers on the BBC when he announced restrictions last week
Looking at the current virus trajectories in the US and UK, I’d say these two are facing some very tough months coming up now, although Trump may just shake it off like he has so much else. But I think there’s only so much you can wing it through these times.
Boris looks like Trump that didn't shower and didn't get a haircut in 3 years.
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Both steaming turds rolled in slightly different color glitter.
So which of these turds has handled the pandemic the least worst up until now? From the outside it seems like both have done a remarkably bad job even by the low expectations set 10-11 months ago when one was pretending the virus didn't even exist whilst the other was calling for herd immunity.
Boris uses a lot of big words. Trump doesn't know any.
From a distance it seems fairly clear that the UK govt response has been a comedy of errors and indecision. But Trump didn't change much vs his initial attitude. While he moved to acknowledge the virus existed, he certainly didn't see it as his responsibility to do anything about it. He used the opportunity to pass some things he thought politically expedient (travel bans, immigrant and non-immigrant visa bans, $1200 checks with his name written on them, etc) but he never moved the federal govt in any particular direction as far as trying to do anything about the virus spread.
Fair to say that this one is settled folks. Time to close the thread.
Indeed.Don't think Trump had this many covid breaches?