Cavani gets 3 match ban from FA for his social media post

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I don't understand why we didn't appeal this. Because we'd look bad? A three game ban is excessive and with all the support from other football federations and groups coming in, surely the FA would bow down.
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I think it's because the UK has dug it's self in to a whole that it a) doesn't understand and b) doesn't know how to get out of. Organisations like the FA are just constantly shi**ing themselves that they might not be following the trend so they just go all in. There is no sense to this decision. Cavani wasn't being racist. In Latin culture, in the Spanish language, adding '-ito to the end of a name, or a noun is in effect adding affection. Anyone with any sense knows that languages don't translate word for word. "Gordo" means fat but if you add -ito to the end it becomes a term of affection like cutie or sweetie. If you try translating it with google translate, it just says chubby.

The club are probably shitting themselves that they might get tarred with the racist brush if they don't tow the same line. Football is entering 1984.

They're lableing someone as a racist, and they are offending an entire culture of people. Absolute morons.
 

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With all due respect, Icemav, it certainly is not a case of "that's all that matters". We live in a democratic society in which rulings, punishments, opinions can be challenged, and the FA in this case needs to be held accountable and its clearly erroneous ruling challenged. It should and does matter to many millions of people.

In your previous post, you wrote "What is clear is that the FA now has a zero tolerance of anything that can be construed as racist in English football" -- Construed by whom? Anyone? Even if they don't understand the language in question? Construed by ONE language-expert witness? We can't question on what authority they arrive at such a conclusion? Are they to hire language experts to examine the use of languages other than English in the friendly exchanges between the hundreds of foreign Premier League and Championship players and their families and friends? Where do you draw the line? Foreign words that appear similar orthographically to certain English words, homonyms? Are we allowed to report only on their Twitter exchanges or can we report on suspiciously sounding foreign words which we hear over the fence while they're having a large garden party attended by hundreds of people? Where does it end?

It is laughable that Cavani is being forced to attend a 2-hour face-to-face meeting to educate him, on what exactly? Is that 'educator' fluent in Spanish language and Latin culture? Those in the FA who have made this judgement should arguably themselves need to attend a similar meeting for some multicultural training. Rather than Cavani, it is they who have brought the game into disrepute. In any court of law, the FA lawyers would be laughed out of court. Their failure to comprehend their degree of cultural and linguistic ignorance is astonishing.

The reasons that Cavani and the club have not sought to challenge the verdict are obvious in the current climate. It is for others to do so, as is happening.
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I was asked if I would be happy if were punished by something that was not forbidden. The FA have deemed it to be forbidden. That was my point.

Happy though it allowed you to get your opinions off your chest. Though I think some parts smack of hyperbole and hysteria.

It was seemingly deemed that Negrito can be used to refer to someone by their skin color, though not done so in Cavani's case, and thr FA don't want to permit language like that used by players on social media in case it causes offense. They have already been through the Saurez incident where he initially claimed that Negrito or Negro was used in a friendly way towards Evra, which he later admitted was not true. I am guessing they want to avoid all other incidents like this.
 
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I think it's because the UK has dug it's self in to a whole that it a) doesn't understand and b) doesn't know how to get out of. Organisations like the FA are just constantly shi**ing themselves that they might not be following the trend so they just go all in. There is no sense to this decision. Cavani wasn't being racist. In Latin culture, in the Spanish language, adding '-ito to the end of a name, or a noun is in effect adding affection. Anyone with any sense knows that languages don't translate word for word. "Gordo" means fat but if you add -ito to the end it becomes a term of affection like cutie or sweetie. If you try translating it with google translate, it just says chubby.

The club are probably shitting themselves that they might get tarred with the racist brush if they don't tow the same line. Football is entering 1984.

They're lableing someone as a racist, and they are offending an entire culture of people. Absolute morons.
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1984? Following the trend? Shitting themselves?

Nonsense. They just have a zero tolerence policy. You and others in society who are outraged and offended by this will have to learn to live with it and watch it evolve. There has historically been willful ignorance by certain groups in our society (and many others) and now there is a movement to listen to those with less power and understand their experience and what we as a society can do to change things. It is good and noble and should be applauded. And undoubtedly there will be some clumsy things attempted from time to time and some unforeseen negatives but overall I believe one should be happy to side with this and its outcomes.
 

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1984? Following the trend? Shitting themselves?

Nonsense. They just have a zero tolerence policy. You and others in society who are outraged and offended by this will have to learn to live with it and watch it evolve. There has historically been willful ignorance by certain groups in our society (and many others) and now there is a movement to listen to those with less power and understand their experience and what we as a society can do to change things. It is good and noble and should be applauded. And undoubtedly there will be some clumsy things attempted from time to time and some unforeseen negatives but overall I believe one should be happy to side with this and its outcomes.
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The stupidity of your posts are in tone with someone that thnks Cavani is from Ecuador.

The FA wont teach me how to speak, not even the British will.

And btw when you talk about ignorance, take a look at the mirror.
 

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You clearly don’t know anything about the Suarez decision. I suggest you read it as what you are saying currently is woefully inaccurate.
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Youre missing my point. I was referring not only the decision but media and fan debate. My point is not woefully inaccurate at all.
 

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Icemav said:
1984? Following the trend? Shitting themselves?

Nonsense. They just have a zero tolerence policy. You and others in society who are outraged and offended by this will have to learn to live with it and watch it evolve. There has historically been willful ignorance by certain groups in our society (and many others) and now there is a movement to listen to those with less power and understand their experience and what we as a society can do to change things. It is good and noble and should be applauded. And undoubtedly there will be some clumsy things attempted from time to time and some unforeseen negatives but overall I believe one should be happy to side with this and its outcomes.
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You're seriously deluded if you think banning Cavani for this achieves what you're talking about. If anything, it's making things worse and it gives an excuse for serious racists to laugh at governing bodies and their (P.R) fight against racism.
 

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1984? Following the trend? Shitting themselves?

Nonsense. They just have a zero tolerence policy. You and others in society who are outraged and offended by this will have to learn to live with it and watch it evolve. There has historically been willful ignorance by certain groups in our society (and many others) and now there is a movement to listen to those with less power and understand their experience and what we as a society can do to change things. It is good and noble and should be applauded. And undoubtedly there will be some clumsy things attempted from time to time and some unforeseen negatives but overall I believe one should be happy to side with this and its outcomes.
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Zero tolerance of what exactly? He hasn't done anything wrong and has been punished, that's the problem.
 

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The stupidity of your posts are in tone with someone that thnks Cavani is from Ecuador.

The FA wont teach me how to speak, not even the British will.

And btw when you talk about ignorance, take a look at the mirror.
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Well thats a shame, I thought it was one of my more nuanced posts. Though I will admit to my massive ignorance on most subjects.

Apologies about the Uraguay and Equador mix up, surprising as I have read more on Uraguay in the last few days than at any other point in my life, even a excerpts of a book on historical and systemic racism. But I haven't been to either country and they are about as familiar to me as Sudan, though I expect thats the same as 90% of posters on this topic.

Anyway I wouldnt worry about the FA (assuming you are not playing football in England?) nor the British, though when in the UK I would abstain from fondly referring to people with dark skin as they would in Uraguay as it may cause confusion, but your call.
 

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You're seriously deluded if you think banning Cavani for this achieves what you're talking about. If anything, it's making things worse and it gives an excuse for serious racists to laugh at governing bodies and their (P.R) fight against racism.
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I am not sure one should care about the machiavellian machinations of hardcore racists. They hate people of other races and this doesn't embolden them nor diminish them.

And btw I dont think banning Cavani solves systemic racism. It may well be one of the clumsy decisions I mentioned, but its a decision taken and hopefully the intent is a good one. Cavani and the club have manned up and accepted it. He will be back playing in a week.
 

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The fact that some posters are ok with a punishment applied to someone for doing nothing wrong is astonishing.

I wonder how will they feel if they get fined for driving under the speed limit because a policeman deemed it wrong.

“Zero tolerance politic against not speeding” “that’s how we do things here”
 

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I am not sure one should care about the machiavellian machinations of hardcore racists. They hate people of other races and this doesn't embolden them nor diminish them.

And btw I dont think banning Cavani solves systemic racism. It may well be one of the clumsy decisions I mentioned, but its a decision taken and hopefully the intent is a good one. Cavani and the club have manned up and accepted it. He will be back playing in a week.
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It does matter a little since the fight against racism is the fight against those people basically. However there are many people who do not take stance on these matters and these are the people who need to be shown that fighting racism will never be done if context of things isn't taken into account. Zero tolerance approach doesn't mean the governing bodies have to be blind and obtuse to context
 

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Anyway I wouldnt worry about the FA (assuming you are not playing football in England?) nor the British, though when in the UK I would abstain from fondly referring to people with dark skin as they would in Uraguay as it may cause confusion, but your call.
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He didnt refer to a person with dark skin
 

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It does matter a little since the fight against racism is the fight against those people basically. However there are many people who do not take stance on these matters and these are the people who need to be shown that fighting racism will never be done if context of things isn't taken into account. Zero tolerance approach doesn't mean the governing bodies have to be blind and obtuse to context
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I get your point but disagree that it is a fight against them solely. They are obvious and easier to target. Its the pernicious subtle bahaviours and attitudes and systems which are harder to effect, and its there where I have learned (I have taken my lumps) its better to listen to those most affected in a society and their experiences. My perpective from my background is one of general ignorance, otherwise known as white privelege.
 

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The fact that some posters are ok with a punishment applied to someone for doing nothing wrong is astonishing.

I wonder how will they feel if they get fined for driving under the speed limit because a policeman deemed it wrong.

“Zero tolerance politic against not speeding” “that’s how we do things here”
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You are missing the context. The FA already had to deal with a very bad incident previously that involved a Uraguayan player who claimed that he use a perceived racial term affectionately as was the norm in Uraguayan culture, which ultimately turned out to be untrue and he did infact racially abuse a player during a a match. This is why the FA may have little tolerance for something of this kind and with similar arguments being made. There is no doubt that they are being harsh on Cavani and he did not racially abuse anyone, and the language used was different, but they previously had to deal with a shitstorm due to what was said in Spanish from a Uraguayan in the Premier League and now have a very tough policy. You can blame Suarez for that.
 

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You are missing the context.
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If someone is missing the context here is the FA and the supporters of the ruling. That has been well established.

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The FA already had to deal with a very bad incident previously that involved a Uraguayan player who claimed that he use a perceived racial term affectionately as was the norm in Uraguayan culture, which ultimately turned out to be untrue and he did infact racially abuse a player during a a match. This is why the FA may have little tolerance for something of this kind and with similar arguments being made.
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The bad incident you are talking about has nothing to do with Cavani’s non incident. Suarez said something racist, Cavani didn’t. And if the FA is against racism, then the ruling should have been acquitting him. What the FA did -and what you are defending- is “an uruguayan did something wrong a few years ago, you are uruguayan, then you are guilty”. But the FA and you are doing it with a sense of “you are the lesser beings, feck you”.

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There is no doubt that they are being harsh on Cavani and he did not racially abuse anyone, and the language used was different, but they previously had to deal with a shitstorm due to what was said in Spanish from a Uraguayan in the Premier League and now have a very tough policy. You can blame Suarez for that.
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So if there is no doubt that they are being harsh on Cavani, then they are being unfair. And, so i wonder. what the feck are you defending? Injustice? Are you serious?

And i dont blame it on Suarez, I blame it on the ones that are being unfair.
 

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Icemav simply likes to argue, guys. Straw man arguments in response is his forte, to be expected I suppose. Details, for example re nuances of language meaning are lost on some, particularly if they’re not familiar with that language or culture.

Another’s view in this thread that the club don’t wish to challenge because they’re afraid of being “tarred with the racist brush if they don’t tow the same line” you deem to be “nonsense”, Icemav? Why so dismissive? You know someone from the club hierarchy and know this not to be true? His rationale seems very plausible, to most I’d have thought. One would be naïve to think otherwise.

Defending the FA’s stance on racism is backed by virtually all, but if you really can’t comprehend the overwhelming reaction of the majority to the FA’s heavy-handed treatment of this particular case and where it might lead (see Kouroux’s comment among others), there’s little point in discussing it further. Maybe we can all join you in a chorus of “The FA always knows best” …I wish you well.
 

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Would Cavani have only got a 1 game ban if he had 1m followers?

Or high profile? so if it was pellestri that did it, would he still be counted as high profile or less so?

FAs reasons are quite... something
 

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i wanted confirmation of it, and it’s finally been proven by the ruling. The guy he said it to was a white man with black hair. Maybe maybe maybe I could understand if they were like “look Cavani in England you can’t affectionately call a black man ‘negrito’”. But they are saying hey Cavani you can’t use a word in a context where there could literally be no racial aspect.
 

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So they agreed he wasn't being racist, but still gave him 3 match ban.
 

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What would happen if he was in Uruguay and posted the same thing to his Uruguayan friend or was sat in a hotel in Italy after a international game involving Uruguay and posted the same thing while being a United player? Can he type his own language to his fellow countrymen while away from these righteous shores in Uruguay or wherever?
 

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The FA have made a fair share of boneheaded decisions over the years, buy this isn't one of them. The club was completely right not to appeal as well. Unless people think it would be great for team spirit if Cavani was to go around calling his teammates 'little blackies', United fans should be in agreement with the ban in principle. I don't care for what demeaning words cultures have appropriated as terms of indearment, and certainly latin american societies aren't on any moral high ground in how humans should communicate or treat each other in this age.
 

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The FA have made a fair share of boneheaded decisions over the years, buy this isn't one of them. The club was completely right not to appeal as well. Unless people think it would be great for team spirit if Cavani was to go around calling his teammates 'little blackies', United fans should be in agreement with the ban in principle. I don't care for what demeaning words cultures have appropriated as terms of indearment, and certainly latin american societies aren't on any moral high ground in how humans should communicate or treat each other in this age.
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Indeed, we latin americans need the British society to teach us how to communicate or treat each other.

Thank you for making very clear how you think. Asshole.
 

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Could english speakers see what cavani wrote? or was it only spanish able?
 

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The FA have form here. They jump on bandwagons when the media and snowflakes get outraged about something. Cast you mind back to Wayne Rooney getting a one match ban for swearing into a camera pushed in his face at West Ham I think it was after he’d scored. The then chairman of the FA, David Bernstein ex-City chairman, suddenly found a rule that swearing isn’t allowed so take a ban son, oh and by the way, miss the FA Cup semi-final against guess who? Yep, his former club. In that final, Micah Richards and Ballotelli are shown hugging and shouting ’F*** Hell man, we’ve done it’ or something similar. A few weeks later, St.Kenny Dalglish tells Arsene Wenger to ‘ Piss off’ when Wenger appeals for a penalty. The FA, in a reply to my question why neither players or managers were charged, said the City players were off the pitch so it doesn’t count and the language from Dalglish wasn’t deemed offensive. I have the email if anyone doesn’t believe me.
 

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Cast you mind back to Wayne Rooney getting a one match ban for swearing into a camera pushed in his face at West Ham I think it was after he’d scored.
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As I recall it was after a pre-season friendly in another country. The FA are stupid, useless cnuts who have a hard on for punishing us because we made them look bad in 1958.
 

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The he knew that racism isn't about his view of his language it is about the view of those offended. He agreed to those rules..

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, i'm just saying it's not so simple as saying lets use his view of the world.
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Who exactly did he offend?
I'm willing to wager it was a frothing mouthed scouser who saw a chance to stir up some shit.
The FA not wanting to be seen as racist, or indeed miss the opportunity of trousering 100k, jumped all over it.
That's how I'm seeing it and I don't think I'm that far off the truth.
Storm in a teacup, mountain from molehill etc etc.
 
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Ridiculous. The FA should have just given Cavani a warning. A ban and a fine implies that he is guilty of racism, which they even concluded that he wasn't. Nobody had even reported being offended by it.
Even worse was that he was responding in Spanish to someone living in South America. So now the FA have decided they can charge a player for something he said or did in another country that could be considered offensive in the UK?

So if a United player was visiting a temple in Thailand and posted a photo of himself with a buddhist swastika in the background. Is he going to banned for that too?

Nice of the FA for policing the entire world for us. Maybe they go fix the middle east conflict along the way.
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Like I said previously; someone complained about " Nine times out of ten, you'll proof-read it before putting it out there because you don't want to make yourself look an idiot "

Kickit Out was asked whether within their training for equality they include neurodiversity, they didnt respond. The FA did not respond

Whether it's Populism i'm not sure?
 

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I really wish the club had challenged this properly, having read this. It’s absolutely laughable. The fact that it is accepted that the guy is white and that his nickname since he was a child is negrito makes it absolutely clear that there should have been no case to answer here.

Just to emphasis how utterly stupid this is, the same analysis would also apply if the guy’s actual name was in theory a word which, when translated, was possibly offensive in English because context apparently doesn’t matter.
 
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No. It is certainly not like this. With the aggravated breach clause added, it is very clear that FA has accused him of being racist in the context of the post. It does not matter if FA thinks he is not racist otherwise, but they think in the context of the post, he was being racist.

Which is basically a big fat lie.
 

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Unless people think it would be great for team spirit if Cavani was to go around calling his teammates 'little blackies',
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Stop making nonsensical hypothetical situations. If Rashford missed a sitter and he called him a "stupid negrito", all the fans would be wanting him gone from the team and FA would have handed him 8-10 match ban or something.

The context is very important.
 
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