Amad Diallo signs for Manchester United

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I wasn’t disagreeing with your post at all, just agreeing with the other poster and stating that I saw the Sancho deal as dead. These two were a more sensible option at the time due to Greenwood’s development as you said.

I’d move on from Sancho for the time being, and even if AM carried on his poor form, Sancho isn’t the obvious replacement, a proper CF would be where my money went.
Things can change quickly though. Sancho might find the form of his life which would then persuade United that he's worth the money after all. Alternatively a fallout between Sancho and Dortmund can happen which may lead to him being sold on a reasonable price. Not to forget the weird stuff like injuries, players asking for a transfer etc. However I agree, its looks unlikely that we're signing him anytime soon.

I think that Dortmund had handled the deal poorly and this will hurt them in the long term. They are ultimately a selling club and a selling clubs should be reasonable regarding transfer fees. Players go to clubs like Dortmund so that they get exposure and move to bigger clubs as quickly as possible. If Dortmund refuse to allow that then they'll probably choose an alternative club.
 

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I watched Ronaldo in the toulon tournament in the summer of 2003 when he won the player of the tournament and he was hardly known in England. But i'm talking about the Ronaldo before he signed for us and that Ronaldo was a hot prospect that big clubs turned down.
Ronaldo was considered as a very talented but brainless kid who'd dribble his way to the corner flag. I remember top rated Italian sports journalists laughing their arse off us signing him for that fee. They thought we've done a Denilson.

Ronaldo owes Sir Alex alot. He coached him to greatness and he knows it.
 

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Ronaldo was considered as a very talented but brainless kid who'd dribble his way to the corner flag. I remember top rated Italian sports journalists laughing their arse off us signing him for that fee. They thought we've done a Denilson.

Ronaldo owes Sir Alex alot. He coached him to greatness and he knows it.
Completely agree mate. I think had there been a different manager at the helm the narrative might well have been very different. I think the reported 20m offer from Valencia would've been accepted and Ronaldo wanted out too. But thanks to the great mans man management skills he brought him around and told Ronaldo he would fight the English media because as a Scotsman that came naturally to him.

Also don't forget many United fans wanted him gone and would've happily replaced him with Aaron Lennon. I was a lurker on here at the time but still remember the threads which bashed him constantly and he was 20 years old at the time.
 
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I did read somewhere that we would pay 37,5m Euros if all add ons are activated and we would pay around 20m for him straight up. I don´t think anyone will care that we pay 37,5m in the end for the new Messi.
But in all honesty I just hope we bought a good future talent that could help us with that gaping hole on the right wing.
 

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Nobody forgets he wasnt a week in week starter in his first 2 seasons he was a kid and had a long way to go. He was absolutely not a punt. There are some players who appear once a generation who are always going to be special, Ronaldo was one of them. That was clear on his ability with the ball, his first touch, his ability with either foot etc, he was outstanding. What was missing was experience. He was no Punt, thats just silly. Anyone with a brain knew he wasnt a Punt.
I have a brain of sorts, and I think he was a long term investment that could pay or not pay. Don’t know if you’d call that a punt.

I remember well the stories that he impressed so much in a friendly that Giggsy told Ferguson on the plane home to buy him asap. I remember extremely well his debut, which was the most extravagant debut I’d ever seen and made people (me included) draw comparisons with Giggs and Best.

I also remember finding out we had tracked him for some time (along with others), and that he had stood out at the youth championship that summer where Florent Sinama-Pongolle and Anthony Le Tallec were rated as the two best players. Us missing out on Ronaldinho last minute (after losing Becks) made us pay up more than most expected for Ronaldo late in the summer (this is the most obvious parallell with Diallo), whereas Liverpool got Pongolle and Tallec for far less. I think Ronaldo probably played two of his best games in a couple of years both before and after against United and against Bolton on his debut though. I do also remember very well all the people I discussed with who claimed Ronaldo at 19 and even 20 was an inefficient show pony, worse technique than the likes of Quaresma and less intelligence, not gonna work in a team etc and actually wanted rid or on loan. There were quite a few.

What we now know about Ronaldo is that he had a maniacal will to be the best at all costs, his greatest talent was an extreme dedication. None of us could ‘see’ that particular talent against Bolton, and Ferguson later said he was surprised by it, ie he bought Ronaldo without knowing that. So if it wasn’t a punt, it certainly was a gamble on a promising plot of land which luckily turned up with pay-dirt.

So as talents and punts are compared, I see the points of comparison with Diallo. For all our good scouting, we wouldn’t have had Ronaldo but for a bit of luck and a bit of desperation. Missing out on Dybala (last summer) and Sancho could be a blessimg in disguise as it has left space for players line Greenwood, Diallo and Pellistri.

The other side to the comparison though, tells us that even if Diallo is as valued a talent as Ronaldo was at 17/18, he is much more likely to become a Quaresma than a Ronaldo, and even at that, we’re can’t expect him to pull any proper weight the next two seasons. Replacing Beccks with Ron instead of Dinho, we went three barren years, our worst spell in a twenty year period.

So in any case, I expect a few here to be shocked if Diallo turns up an interesting little prospect and not a match-winner the next few years.
 

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I'm hoping he lives upto his potential but I also have to urge caution because he's gonna have a number of downs which is normal for a kid his age. But I do expect him to be part of the first team quicker than many think.
 

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Not at 18 he wasn't. Ronaldo was basically just another hot prospect at 18 who many felt needed a loan.
He was a hell of a prospect, you could see he’d go on to be one of the best players in the world, SAF felt he would go on to be the best player in the world.

Hopefully Diallo fulfils his potential. He looks a real talent.
 

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Your talking as if Ronaldo came and started putting in world class performances in his very first season. He was obviously very talented, but wasn’t even the best player in our team until his 3rd or 4th season.

Ronaldo was also a punt. I’m sure on the day he was signed most people would have swapped him for Ronaldinho
He was actually....from his debut he was obviously inconsistent but on his good days he was truely outstanding in his first season. The semi v arsenal and the final v millwall as examples. He was head and shoulders above everyone on the pitch. There are many other games too if you looked through the season. He was simply over scrutinised by the media, making his first few seasons look poor.
 

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Completely agree mate. I think had there been a different manager at the helm the narrative might well have been very different. I think the reported 20m offer from Valencia would've been accepted and Ronaldo wanted out too. But thanks to the great mans man management skills he brought him around and told Ronaldo he would fight the English media because as a Scotsman that came naturally to him.

Also don't forget many United fans wanted him gone and would've happily replaced him with Aaron Lennon. I was a lurker on here at the time but still remember the threads which bashed him constantly and he was 20 years old at the time.
Ronaldo was a tough one. He just loved to take down opponents, something he could do quite easily. Unfortunately most of the time its better for the player to release the ball quick and get into dangerous areas when he can do some damage instead first. Young Ronaldo refused to do that up.

So Sir Alex identified his soft spot and he hit him harder on it then an angry prime Mike Tyson. There's something that Cristiano loves more then dribbling and that is playing football. Its common sense really as without the latter he couldn't do the former. Therefore if Ronaldo dilly dallied a bit too much with the ball then Sir Alex would make him sit on the bench for the next game and let Fletcher play on the right wing. Poor Fletch wasn't even a RW and he got so much slack for it (including by myself). Yet it served as a lesson for Ronaldo while it concurrently toughened Fletcher up.

I can't see any other club doing that for a kid. A club like Juventus would have sold him, loaned him up or adapt to it like they did with Pogba. No wonder why Ronaldo loves us. We made him
 

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He may well do, by which time we might not need him anyway.
I agree. If I was Sancho I'd be furious with Dortmund. They ruined his chance to join a top club in a deal that would have suited everyone involved. I wonder if his 'dip in performance' is a result to that
 

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Ronaldo was a tough one. He just loved to take down opponents, something he could do quite easily. Unfortunately most of the time its better for the player to release the ball quick and get into dangerous areas when he can do some damage instead first. Young Ronaldo refused to do that up.

So Sir Alex identified his soft spot and he hit him harder on it then an angry prime Mike Tyson. There's something that Cristiano loves more then dribbling and that is playing football. Its common sense really as without the latter he couldn't do the former. Therefore if Ronaldo dilly dallied a bit too much with the ball then Sir Alex would make him sit on the bench for the next game and let Fletcher play on the right wing. Poor Fletch wasn't even a RW and he got so much slack for it (including by myself). Yet it served as a lesson for Ronaldo while it concurrently toughened Fletcher up.

I can't see any other club doing that for a kid. A club like Juventus would have sold him, loaned him up or adapt to it like they did with Pogba. No wonder why Ronaldo loves us. We made him
Completely agree. And at 20 years old if anyone had said said he was gonna be among the best in the world, many on here would've laughed at the person due to how raw he was. But even at 20, he was still more exciting to watch than anyone we've got on the flanks now IMO. But Fergie showed a lot of patience with him when a lot had given up.
 

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Di Marzio is saying he's flying in today.

And if you can read Italian @devilish please give us a brief summary of the above piece, cheers.
 

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I read somewhere that with his signing confirmed he’s now officially our top goal scorer this season. Incredible really considering he plays from the right. Great work from the scouts.
 

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The end of the Di Marzio article talks about City also being in for Diallo last summer, but United won. He says it was "a market derby conducted in great secrecy", or words to that effect.
 

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The end of the Di Marzio article talks about City also being in for Diallo last summer, but United won. He says it was "a market derby conducted in great secrecy", or words to that effect.
It was so secret that they saw fit to call the transfer don Di Marzio and tell him every detail. :smirk:
 

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Di Marzio is saying he's flying in today.

And if you can read Italian @devilish please give us a brief summary of the above piece, cheers.
- The first part of the article goes on about how Amad had to join his "brother" Hamed Traore at Sassuolo, but United stepped in and agreed a sale with Atalanta.
- 40 million euros (25 + 15 addons) with a 15% sell on clause
- Flying today
- City were interested in September, but United won the race. Di Marzio calls it "the big secret transfer market derby". City signed Filip Stefanovic instead.
 

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- The first part of the article goes on about how Amad had to join his "brother" Hamed Traore at Sassuolo, but United stepped in and agreed a sale with Atalanta.
- 40 million euros (25 + 15 addons) with a 15% sell on clause
- Flying today
- City were interested in September, but United won the race. Di Marzio calls it "the big secret transfer market derby". City signed Filip Stefanovic instead.
Cheers..
 

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Gotta say, I saw it that way too. All the publicity surrounding our link to Sancho, then two youngsters (not cheap ones either) that can play in the same position were snapped up. Made sense to me that the Sancho deal, for the time being at least, was dead. Rightly so at that price.
They over played the card. Serves them right. I bet dortmund will happily sell him to their parent club bayern at 1/3rd of that price.
 

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I'm talking about the Ronaldo before he signed for us. According to Phil Thompson the then Liverpool assistant, Ronaldo was being offered around the big clubs in Europe by Mendes and they were quoted a 4m fee which they didn't take up. The player at SCP that was the most hyped was Ricardo Quaresma who Barca wasted no time in signing which suited us because had they wanted Ronaldo he would've signed for them too.
Oh ok. You mentioned Ronaldo at 18, he joined us as 18 year old kid from Sporting. My only memory of him before he signed for us was his preseason friendly against us, to which he was brilliant.
 

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Interesting, didn't realise Hamed was his brother. He's also pretty highly rated but I haven't seen a lot of him.
 

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United have revealed he will wear number 19
 

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Oh ok. You mentioned Ronaldo at 18, he joined us as 18 year old kid from Sporting. My only memory of him before he signed for us was his preseason friendly against us, to which he was brilliant.
I was one of his biggest supporters at the time and he was my favourite player. And even when he was raw as a 20 year old he was much more exciting to watch than anything we have on the flanks now. When he'd receive the ball it was fun to watch and that's something I really miss personally. Giggs was another great player who was amazing to watch in full flow with great close control and a few levels above anything we have on the flanks IMO.
 

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- The first part of the article goes on about how Amad had to join his "brother" Hamed Traore at Sassuolo, but United stepped in and agreed a sale with Atalanta.
- 40 million euros (25 + 15 addons) with a 15% sell on clause
- Flying today
- City were interested in September, but United won the race. Di Marzio calls it "the big secret transfer market derby". City signed Filip Stefanovic instead.
40m is a lot for a kid with not many games under his belt. Let’s hope our scouts know what they’re doing for once!
 

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Well if you couldn't already tell that as is planned for the first team squad this season you can tell by his number imo.

He'll get the Greenwood minutes of last year for sure
 

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40m is a lot for a kid with not many games under his belt. Let’s hope our scouts know what they’re doing for once!
If we end up paying Atalanta the full 40m then the player will have been a success.
 

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I was one of his biggest supporters at the time and he was my favourite player. And even when he was raw as a 20 year old he was much more exciting to watch than anything we have on the flanks now. When he'd receive the ball it was fun to watch and that's something I really miss personally. Giggs was another great player who was amazing to watch in full flow with great close control and a few levels above anything we have on the flanks IMO.
Yes, Giggs was the first real “wonderkid” I ever witnessed in football. Young Giggs was simply amazing. Young Giggs running down the flanks with Cantona leading us in attack still remains one of my favourite time in football.
 

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Once he and Pellistri were signed, it became clear that the Sancho door has well and truly shut. Excited by these youngsters. Onward and upward!
The Diallo and Pellistri rumours were around exactly the same time as the Sancho hypetrain went into overdrive. It was never an either/or situation between them and Sancho.

Asking a a couple of kids who have barely played a season of football between them was never going to be the immediate answer, and I still expect us to sign an experienced RW, and I am sure that Sancho is still the main target on that front.
 

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I actually have very little expectations of the kid. I know he's been really hyped up but I'll be amazed if he reaches any kind of level. If he becomes a regular, that is the most I'm hoping for. Not expecting him to be a "generational talent."
 

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- The first part of the article goes on about how Amad had to join his "brother" Hamed Traore at Sassuolo, but United stepped in and agreed a sale with Atalanta.
- 40 million euros (25 + 15 addons) with a 15% sell on clause
- Flying today
- City were interested in September, but United won the race. Di Marzio calls it "the big secret transfer market derby". City signed Filip Stefanovic instead.
Has anyone seen details on what the addons are supposedly subject to? I'm wondering whether we're ever likely to pay them if he doesn't live up to the hype. They could be the likes of Woodward's classic ballon d'or addon.
 

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- The first part of the article goes on about how Amad had to join his "brother" Hamed Traore at Sassuolo, but United stepped in and agreed a sale with Atalanta.
- 40 million euros (25 + 15 addons) with a 15% sell on clause
- Flying today
- City were interested in September, but United won the race. Di Marzio calls it "the big secret transfer market derby". City signed Filip Stefanovic instead.
Not surprised that City would have been after him. He tore them a new one in the UEFA Youth League last season.