Luke Shaw

Andersons Dietician · Jan 12, 2021

First 10 minutes kinda weird. Like his usual good solid passing was kinda forced and a bit sloppy but the energy and intent he was showing was incredible and he continued that for most of the game. At one point he seemed like our best attacking outlet.

Eventually started putting in those crosses infront of the Burnley back line and causing them issues. The ball for the disallowed Maguire ball was excellent.

OleBoiii · Jan 12, 2021

If he could cross he'd be one of hell of a fullback.

He's still very good and our best fullback, mind you. It's just so annoying that he lacks that final killer ball.

Raven · Jan 12, 2021

OleBoiii said:
If he could cross he'd be one of hell of a fullback.

He's still very good and our best fullback, mind you. It's just so annoying that he lacks that final killer ball.

Did you not see his cross for Maguires disallowed goal? Superb ball. His crossing has come on leaps and bounds this season, not longer a valid criticism as far as I'm concerned.

Glorio · Jan 12, 2021

OleBoiii said:
If he could cross he'd be one of hell of a fullback.

He's still very good and our best fullback, mind you. It's just so annoying that he lacks that final killer ball.

I actually think he can cross - he just doesn't do it often. His corners have actually been very good lately and it's a point that I feel has gone under the radar a bit

Ekeke · Jan 12, 2021

Raven said:
Did you not see his cross for Maguires disallowed goal? Superb ball. His crossing has come on leaps and bounds this season, not longer a valid criticism as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed. One of our best at it this season

Walters_19_MuFc · Jan 12, 2021

Massively underrated. Best all-rounded full-back in the league, in my opinion.

United58 · Jan 12, 2021

Raven said:
Did you not see his cross for Maguires disallowed goal? Superb ball. His crossing has come on leaps and bounds this season, not longer a valid criticism as far as I'm concerned.

A lot of people on this site don't like facing reality on a number of issues - Shaw was fantastic again today, the ball for Maguire particularly brilliant

sammyhol · Jan 12, 2021

Right up their competing for player of the year for me... really maturing... just a calming presence.

Raven · Jan 12, 2021

Ekeke said:
Agreed. One of our best at it this season

You only have to go back as far as the end of last season to see where I was saying his crossing needs to improve for him to become top class. This season his crossing is outrageously good, as if it happened over night.

arnie_ni · Jan 12, 2021

OleBoiii said:
If he could cross he'd be one of hell of a fullback.

He's still very good and our best fullback, mind you. It's just so annoying that he lacks that final killer ball.

I'd put in a strong argument he's one of our best crossers...
Says more about our wing play though

Andersons Dietician · Jan 12, 2021

Raven said:
Did you not see his cross for Maguires disallowed goal? Superb ball. His crossing has come on leaps and bounds this season, not longer a valid criticism as far as I'm concerned.

There were people in the match day complaing about his crossing because it was always behind the forwards. Their brains clearly couldn’t compute that this was a tactic and there was a reason Bissaka, Bruno, Pogba and Rashford all targeted the same area.

Simply can’t put 2 and 2 together and just say dumb stuff.

Ekeke · Jan 12, 2021

Raven said:
You only have to go back as far as the end of last season to see where I was saying his crossing needs to improve for him to become top class. This season his crossing is outrageously good, as if it happened over night.

I think its the competition from Telles. One of Telles' strengths is putting the ball in and from set pieces so it likely got Shaw wanting to work on it even more so that Telles isnt picked instead of him for his delivery

Andersons Dietician · Jan 12, 2021

Ekeke said:
I think its the competition from Telles. One of Telles' strengths is putting the ball in and from set pieces so it likely got Shaw wanting to work on it even more so that Telles isnt picked instead of him for his delivery

I would say it probably has more to do with Cavani now being in the team. today he tried to put in a lot of early crosses where he doesn’t do that with Martial and Rashford. He always tries to get them in by playing to feet.

Maybe it’s more the fact that there is now someone who can and will fight for aerial balls with proper conviction. Where as Martial and Rashford kinda half jump/challenge in these moments.

Eyepopper · Jan 12, 2021

Raven said:
Did you not see his cross for Maguires disallowed goal? Superb ball. His crossing has come on leaps and bounds this season, not longer a valid criticism as far as I'm concerned.

100%

I think it's a bit of a confidence thing with him, suspect Mourinho would've absolutely slated him for crossing the ball.

Also notice how more prepared he is to drive forward this season, which which he never did previously.

He's improved massively since we signed Telles, and I think it's a result of having a manager show a little faith in him as a footballer, rather than thinking they have to make every decision for him.

Eternitiy · Jan 12, 2021

OleBoiii said:
If he could cross he'd be one of hell of a fullback.

He's still very good and our best fullback, mind you. It's just so annoying that he lacks that final killer ball.

Seriously? This may have been true in the past, but not anymore. People must be stuck in their preconceived notions and not actually watching reality unfold.

Shaw's crossing this season has been utterly brilliant. As someone else mentioned, seeing a player improve so drastically in one area like that is pretty incredible. Credit to Shaw and the coaching team, because they are clearly putting in tireless work to improve that aspect of his game.

On a side note, I was a little baffled where this weird short corner routine with Rashford came from though, because Shaw's corners have been on point this season. The short corners today seemed pointless.

ValenciasDrilledCrosses · Jan 12, 2021

His crossing has been insanely good recently, I just love the man. One of the most underrated players in the league

Raven · Jan 12, 2021

Eyepopper said:
100%

I think it's a bit of a confidence thing with him, suspect Mourinho would've absolutely slated him for crossing the ball.

Also notice how more prepared he is to drive forward this season, which which he never did previously.

He's improved massively since we signed Telles, and I think it's a result of having a manager show a little faith in him as a footballer, rather than thinking they have to make every decision for him.

I actually think he was very good at bursting forward last season as well but Rashford has little to no chemistry with him and never seems to want to pass to him on the overlap. I think we're seeing it more now because he's been playing with Pogba and Martial more who are far more inclined to find him.

vodrake · Jan 12, 2021

OleBoiii said:
If he could cross he'd be one of hell of a fullback.

He's still very good and our best fullback, mind you. It's just so annoying that he lacks that final killer ball.

I think people just say he can't cross because its a meme these days, rather than it being current reality. Same with those calling him fat or unfit.

For a while now he's regularly putting in great crosses and its only due to terrible finishing that he doesn't have a lot more assists.

Eyepopper · Jan 12, 2021

Raven said:
I actually think he was very good at bursting forward last season as well but Rashford has little to no chemistry with him and never seems to want to pass to him on the overlap. I think we're seeing it more now because he's been playing with Pogba and Martial more who are far more inclined to find him.

Yeah agree, I think Rashfords tendency to always cut back on to his right forces Luke to overlap on the outside, by which time Rashford has either passed inside or dribbled himself into trouble.

That said, I still think Rashford is best playing from the left, but you're right, it probably doesn't bring the best out of Shaw.

OleBoiii · Jan 12, 2021

Raven said:
Did you not see his cross for Maguires disallowed goal? Superb ball. His crossing has come on leaps and bounds this season, not longer a valid criticism as far as I'm concerned.

Glorio said:
I actually think he can cross - he just doesn't do it often. His corners have actually been very good lately and it's a point that I feel has gone under the radar a bit

United58 said:
A lot of people on this site don't like facing reality on a number of issues - Shaw was fantastic again today, the ball for Maguire particularly brilliant

arnie_ni said:
I'd put in a strong argument he's one of our best crossers...
Says more about our wing play though

Andersons Dietician said:
There were people in the match day complaing about his crossing because it was always behind the forwards. Their brains clearly couldn’t compute that this was a tactic and there was a reason Bissaka, Bruno, Pogba and Rashford all targeted the same area.

Simply can’t put 2 and 2 together and just say dumb stuff.

Eternitiy said:
Seriously? This may have been true in the past, but not anymore. People must be stuck in their preconceived notions and not actually watching reality unfold.

Shaw's crossing this season has been utterly brilliant. As someone else mentioned, seeing a player improve so drastically in one area like that is pretty incredible. Credit to Shaw and the coaching team, because they are clearly putting in tireless work to improve that aspect of his game.

On a side note, I was a little baffled where this weird short corner routine with Rashford came from though, because Shaw's corners have been on point this season. The short corners today seemed pointless.

vodrake said:
I think people just say he can't cross because its a meme these days, rather than it being current reality. Same with those calling him fat or unfit.

For a while now he's regularly putting in great crosses and its only due to terrible finishing that he doesn't have a lot more assists.

Woah, I was afraid that I was giving him too much praise, but it turns out I caused a shit storm :lol:

It's not that his crossing(or final pass in general) is bad, but it's definitely a limiting factor in his otherwise very good game. He has 2 assists and 0 goals in nearly 19 full games this season. If his final ball was GREAT then he'd probably have a few more goals or assists. Especially seeing as he spends so much time high up the pitch for a team that is scoring a decent amount of goals(and now top the league).

He's still one of the best fullbacks on the league. This season he might even be the best. With a good final ball he'd be on a whole new level, though. That is my point. It's frustrating, because he's so good at all the other stuff.

Robbie Boy · Jan 12, 2021

Cracking player. He's generally been very good under Ole.

elmo · Jan 12, 2021

Ekeke said:
I think its the competition from Telles. One of Telles' strengths is putting the ball in and from set pieces so it likely got Shaw wanting to work on it even more so that Telles isnt picked instead of him for his delivery

Telles's arrival can't possibly just make Shaw's ability to cross and take set pieces to magically appear.

It's the team finally having someone to aim for in the box which resulted in the change in Shaw's role in the offense.

United58 · Jan 12, 2021

OleBoiii said:
Woah, I was afraid that I was giving him too much praise, but it turns out I caused a shit storm

It's not that his crossing(or final pass in general) is bad, but it's definitely a limiting factor in his otherwise very good game. He has 2 assists and 0 goals in nearly 19 full games this season. If his final ball was GREAT then he'd probably have a few more goals or assists. Especially seeing as he spends so much time high up the pitch for a team that is scoring a decent amount of goals(and now top the league).

He's still one of the best fullbacks on the league. This season he might even be the best. With a good final ball he'd be on a whole new level, though. That is my point. It's frustrating, because he's so good at all the other stuff.

Not calling you out at all - just think some of his improvement's gone unnoticed in general

OleBoiii · Jan 12, 2021

United58 said:
Not calling you out at all - just think some of his improvement's gone unnoticed in general

I think his crossing/final ball has improved, but it's still his (only?) "weakness".

Adnan · Jan 12, 2021

What's dissapointing is he never got a assist when he drove forward with the ball in the first half and created a golden opportunity which was fluffed via a bad first touch. He created that opportunity out of nothing, it's a shame it was wasted.

GledTheRed · Jan 13, 2021

ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I agree. But that’s not the whole story. He’s not a player who can play game after game after game. You pick Shaw for England, you need another specialised left back at a tournament.

More often than not you want an auxiliary defender to cover at the back so you can have more midfielders/ strikers.

He's looking a batter bet fitness wise than Chillwell, at a tournament there would be another left back anyway due to the demand put on the position nowadays.

ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg · Jan 13, 2021

GledTheRed said:
He's looking a batter bet fitness wise than Chillwell, at a tournament there would be another left back anyway due to the demand put on the position nowadays.

there isint another left back as standard. Full back is a position you can use an auxiliary player to have an additional striker or midfielder.

his fitness is looking better, but being able to bring in Telles is a big factor.

NinjaFletch · Jan 13, 2021

elmo said:
Telles's arrival can't possibly just make Shaw's ability to cross and take set pieces to magically appear.

It's the team finally having someone to aim for in the box which resulted in the change in Shaw's role in the offense.

I'm not sure it's 'magic' but Shaw's generally responded well to challenges. He rebounded strongly from the Mourinho debacle, responded well to Williams looking like he might take his place, and has responded well to the arrival of competition in the form of Telles.

And that's not to mention the broken leg.

GledTheRed · Jan 13, 2021

ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
there isint another left back as standard. Full back is a position you can use an auxiliary player to have an additional striker or midfielder.

his fitness is looking better, but being able to bring in Telles is a big factor.

He'd play key fixtures against better opposition and sit out the cannon fodder. Walker and Tripper have player left back for England lately.

Skills · Jan 13, 2021

He's outrageously talented. I'm not joking but he's comfortably one of the most talented players at the club - which is saying something considering the players we have.

Lash · Jan 13, 2021

I still think his passing can be a bit basic and slow at times, but he's a defensive monster and those athletic runs forward remind me of Valencia. His crossing has stepped up with telles coming in too! Well done lad.

ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg · Jan 13, 2021

GledTheRed said:
He'd play key fixtures against better opposition and sit out the cannon fodder. Walker and Tripper have player left back for England lately.

I think Shaw is an excellent player, and I’m a big fan. However, his fitness and ability to play consecutive games in a short period of time is a big concern at international level.

Shane88 · Jan 13, 2021

Telles was the kick up the arse he needed.

elmo · Jan 13, 2021

NinjaFletch said:
I'm not sure it's 'magic' but Shaw's generally responded well to challenges. He rebounded strongly from the Mourinho debacle, responded well to Williams looking like he might take his place, and has responded well to the arrival of competition in the form of Telles.

And that's not to mention the broken leg.

Yeah, but the ability to actually cross accurately and take set pieces are all techniques which requires years of training.

Telles's arrival might up made him stepped up his game overall, but the part where he starts crossing more and taking set pieces is more likely due to a change in the tactics for the team and what's he's being asked to do.

Utd heap · Jan 13, 2021

He's very good and it makes you wonder how good he should have been.

I was a Shaw out advocate 12 months ago. Would love him to stay now.

spiriticon · Jan 13, 2021

I still think he can do more for us in the final third but you know what? It's not a big issue for now as he is so good in the other two-thirds of the pitch.

This season is the first time I've thought he's been consistently good since that purple patch in 2014 just before he broke his leg, so long may it continue.

Red00012 · Jan 13, 2021

He’s having a great season .

Maybe a bit like DDG where a bit of competition has pushed him on a little bit more ?

Eternitiy · Jan 13, 2021

Skills said:
He's outrageously talented. I'm not joking but he's comfortably one of the most talented players at the club - which is saying something considering the players we have.

He's always been a prodigious talent. It's why he was I believe the most expensive young player ever at the time when we signed him from Southampton. He's taken longer to reach his potential than expected due to horrible luck with injuries and an awful manager (Mourinho).

I maintain that he's our best player. I think the only weakness he has is his one-footedness, but it's not even an issue due to the position he plays and the fact that his technique with his left foot is so damn good.

MyOnlySolskjaer · Jan 13, 2021

Did a full 180 on him, he's toughened up, really good on the ball and even his deliveries are improving.

The One and Only · Jan 13, 2021

He has been brilliant this season. Excellent technique, great touch, passing, press resistant. Complete opposite of Wan Bissaka. He is the type of footballer we should be targetting to improve our ball retention

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