Protests following the killing of George Floyd

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NotThatSoph said:
I didn't quite know where to put this, but Kyle Rittehnouse - the guy out on bail after shooting two people during a protest - is hanging around in bars with Proud Boys flashing signs.

https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-new...naded-with-proud-boys-song-at-mt-pleasant-bar
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Within a few minutes of entering the bar, Rittenhouse was also "loudly serenaded" by five adult men in his group with the song, "Proud of Your Boy" - an obscure song written for the 1992 Disney film "Aladdin," prosecutors state.

The white supremacist group, the Proud Boys, was in fact named after this song, and the song is sung by members of the group, the motion says.
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:lol: just when I thought the Proud Boys couldn't be any more homo-erotic than they already are, they come out with this.
 

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This shit should be paid by police pension pot.
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Absolutely. Police budgets are typically bloated to be able to pay off for malfeasance, such actions by police officers like this cnut shouldn’t be more of a drain on taxpayers. Either from a pension fund or directly from the police budgets itself, the money for this lawsuit should negatively affect the police itself. Boo hoo if they can’t spend the budget on more APCs or other weapons of war.
 

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Yep. This is what people mean when they talk about defunding the police. Why should taxpayers have to cover their malfeasence and incompetence?
 

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American settlement is weird.

If you settle for a murder case that means the accussed is guilty. It's one thing settling for a gray manslaughter case such as slipped on a wet floor. But this?

It's basically saying you're right. It's murder, here's some cash to drop the case
 

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Sky1981 said:
American settlement is weird.

If you settle for a murder case that means the accussed is guilty. It's one thing settling for a gray manslaughter case such as slipped on a wet floor. But this?

It's basically saying you're right. It's murder, here's some cash to drop the case
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It's a civil trial not a criminal one. I believe the standards for "conviction" are lower but yeah, like OJ Simpson's civil trial, it kinda speaks volumes about what happened.
 

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Not familiar with law, but could a civilian or group of civilians file a suit against the state that why should taxpayers front the cost of public servants found liable in civil court decisions?

Could this fall under the ACLU? Has it been struck down in past suits?
 

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MrMarcello said:
Not familiar with law, but could a civilian or group of civilians file a suit against the state that why should taxpayers front the cost of public servants found liable in civil court decisions?

Could this fall under the ACLU? Has it been struck down in past suits?
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If there are any taxpayer focused groups I'm sure they could. We have one called the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. They're mostly right leaning nutbars who probably wouldn't sue law enforcement agencies but it would be within their scope of concerns.
 

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Sky1981 said:
American settlement is weird.

If you settle for a murder case that means the accussed is guilty. It's one thing settling for a gray manslaughter case such as slipped on a wet floor. But this?

It's basically saying you're right. It's murder, here's some cash to drop the case
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I think there are some aspects of this case that is overlooked, missed or ignored. When I saw the original video, I was 100% that I had witnessed a murder. However when I saw the full body cam footage from a pro-cop angle there was some aspects that made me doubt whether this was murder, manslaughter or a death due to a perfect storm(drugs, medical conditions, knee on the neck and panic attack/toxic delirium).

I think there are some things.

1. He admits in the full body cam footage to taking drugs. He shows signs of toxic delirium. He screams I can't breathe 8 times before he hits the floor and there is a knee on his neck. In the toxicology report, he had 3 x the lethal threshold of Fentanyl in his system. The coroner concluded that under any other circumstances he would have concluded that he would have died of pulmonary edema and of an overdose.

2. If the Chauvin wanted to murder him, what would be his motive, and would he do it in broad daylight whilst being filmed.

3. Restraining with the knee is allowed by the police protocol, however I cannot find any good excuse to do this on George Floyd for 8.5 minutes especially considering with him already complaining about him not being able to breathe.

However I think with the findings of toxicology report and the full body cam footage, I think it's unlikely he would be found guilty of homocide, but perhaps manslaugter due to recklessness. On top of that this would be the most politized trial in decades in the US and perhaps both the family and the police thought a settlement would be the best course of action. I'd just like to add that I'm not making excuses for the Chauvin here, since I can't make any excuse for him keeping his knee on his neck for 8.5 minutes, just that there is information of the case that seems to be ignored.


 
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Oh you sweet innocent children, that's not even remotely the most cringey thing about the Proud Boys. This is:

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The guy on the right in the red cap is like the Poundland Tyler Durden. :lol:
 

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MrMarcello said:
Not familiar with law, but could a civilian or group of civilians file a suit against the state that why should taxpayers front the cost of public servants found liable in civil court decisions?

Could this fall under the ACLU? Has it been struck down in past suits?
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It all falls under qualified immunity. There are certain situations where police officers forfeit this protection through their actions. Violating someone's constitutional rights is one, I think.
 
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