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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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MikeUpNorth

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It’s a difficult position for Ireland to be in. The EU-Ireland ferry routes likely won’t have the capacity to take the strain off for a few years. And there would be disputes with Brussels if Ireland decides to ease up on applying the letter of the EU customs rules on imports from Britain so soon after Brexit.

Presumably some of the delays will abate as suppliers get more familiar with the paperwork.
 

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As I Iive quite close to the Paris-Toulouse-Spain motorway, have been on it five or six times already this year, about 100kms each time and have not seen a single UK or Irish registered truck on it at all which is in stark contrast from pre-2021.
Plenty of trucks from Spain, Portugal, NL, Belgium, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Germany, Italy, Lithuania etc. and France of course.
 

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People who voted for it would have died. You see the fallacy of this decision.
 

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People who voted for it would have died. You see the fallacy of this decision.
Boomers are famously altruistic and will have been voting to benefit the generations below them and more than happy to sacrifice their own comforts in return.
 

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This is a few years old but I can imagine, in the year 2060: My great-great grandfather voted for Brexit and we still haven't seen anything but despair and a downward spiral of the UK since: Tory PM , now 50 years of Tory government in a one party state - Don't worry, only another ten years to go and the sunlit uplands will be ours.
 

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50 years is a stupidly long time to forecast anything. How would we even know to attribute any benefits to Brexit?
Which is exactly the point - it’s so vague as to be meaningless. I doubt his hedge fund markets investments where you can expect (maybe) to see a return in 2071.
 

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Which is exactly the point - it’s so vague as to be meaningless. I doubt his hedge fund markets investments where you can expect (maybe) to see a return in 2071.
It's not meaningless in the sense that he is essentially telling people to shut up and move on. Because in 50 years the vast majority of the population will have lived almost his entire adult life in a post brexit UK, they won't even know the difference.
 

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Which is exactly the point - it’s so vague as to be meaningless. I doubt his hedge fund markets investments where you can expect (maybe) to see a return in 2071.
It's almost like he's incredibly wealthy so basically nothing can affect him, stands to benefit further financially from Brexit and is both wildly out of touch with the people of the UK and doesn't give the slightest feck about anyone who isn't of his vaunted peer group other than Mary Poppins, who is his nemesis.
 

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It's not meaningless in the sense that he is essentially telling people to shut up and move on. Because in 50 years the vast majority of the population will have lived almost his entire adult life in a post brexit UK, they won't even know the difference.
I wanted to say that it’s meaningless as a prediction. It does have meaning as an admission of the utter futility of Brexit as it scuppers the one “serious” argument of its supporters - namely the chance to re-orientate and rebalance the UK economy. It doesn’t take 50 years to achieve that - look at New Zealand after the UK joined the EU or even Russia after the Soviet Union collapsed. In essence it’s JRM with his pantomime toff patter telling his prole supporters to just go away and concentrate on football or reality TV while he and his cronies make hay.
 

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I don't think they're really gambling. As for the approval process: to my understanding, the emergency process serves to push approval faster so it can be administered quicker to a narrower population group. For example, to my knowledge, not enough is known yet about the effects on children and pregnant woman for the Pfizer/BioNTech one. Once that comes out, the UK will have to go through a relatively large approval process again, where apparently the more fulsome EU process performed by EMA means they can add further population groups to the approval more easily. Or something along those lines; I might be getting facts wrong, but the overall idea is correct. Pros and cons - but so administering the vaccine to the rest of the population isn't a gamble.

As for extending the wait until the second dose: that's done in other places as well. (Did QC start doing it or were they just strongly considering it?) The idea is to quickly get some immunity in more people, to help flatten the curve in a situation that's getting seriously out of hand. A full and proper campaign can follow later.

I suppose a proper discussion of this stuff is rather for the COVID-19 thread; but my point is that these are all legitimate, practical considerations, which every country can make. None of it is in any way related to Brexit. (Apart from that, as suggested above, there may be more peer pressure in the EU to wait for the EMA's process rather than using a local emergency process. On the other hand, waiting for EMA means not having to use resources at home for vaccine approvals, meaning that those people can focus on other things. Again: pros and cons; and nothing to do with Brexit.)
this is the reply I would have loved to have been able to write! @4bars

It’s not about winning, it’s not about Brexit. My point was simply that the UK is in a position to do things quicker in this situation. It wasn’t point scoring.

I agree it’s not a gamble, and promulgation of such an argument is reminiscent of Facebook arguments.

I understand the idea behind, but Pfizer didn't recommend doing it and there is 0 data. what if in 2 month immunity disappears and you have to start over? What if it mutates in stronger virus that makes the vaccine(s) immune? Is pure gamble because there is no data and puts not only the UK at risk but the whole world
 

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I understand the idea behind, but Pfizer didn't recommend doing it and there is 0 data. what if in 2 month inmunity disappears and you have to start over? Is pure gamble because there is no data
But they're taking that risk to try and smash down that curve right now. I mean, the main downside is needing more vaccines. If that means no overpopulated hospitals and everything that follows from that, then I see how that can be considered worth it. In any case, I would still say that it's not a gamble, it's an action that carries a considered risk.

Maybe it's a terminology thing at this point; working at the government might have done this to me. :nervous:
 

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But they're taking that risk to try and smash down that curve right now. I mean, the main downside is needing more vaccines. If that means no overpopulated hospitals and everything that follows from that, then I see how that can be considered worth it. In any case, I would still say that it's not a gamble, it's an action that carries a considered risk.

Maybe it's a terminology thing at this point; working at the government might have done this to me. :nervous:
I knew that something was wrong about you. :smirk:
 

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But they're taking that risk to try and smash down that curve right now. I mean, the main downside is needing more vaccines. If that means no overpopulated hospitals and everything that follows from that, then I see how that can be considered worth it. In any case, I would still say that it's not a gamble, it's an action that carries a considered risk.

Maybe it's a terminology thing at this point; working at the government might have done this to me. :nervous:
You better not be Jacob Rees Mogg or whatever the Canadian equivalent is.
 

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But they're taking that risk to try and smash down that curve right now. I mean, the main downside is needing more vaccines. If that means no overpopulated hospitals and everything that follows from that, then I see how that can be considered worth it. In any case, I would still say that it's not a gamble, it's an action that carries a considered risk.

Maybe it's a terminology thing at this point; working at the government might have done this to me. :nervous:
And I said that I understand the idea behind and the reasoning and is a good strategy short term but you are gambling the future to make it worse in long term
 

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You better not be Jacob Rees Mogg or whatever the Canadian equivalent is.
I didn't say I worked in politics!

Also, that may be the worst (indirect) insult I've ever had. What a day! ('Dear diary...')
 

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Since we were talking about it here, I'll just add a link to an article Science published just two days ago on the pros and potential cons of delaying the administration of the second vaccine dose:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...tween-doses-drive-coronavirus-outwit-vaccines

I know this doesn't belong here and discussion should go to the COVID-19 thread; but just for those that were posting here and were interested in the topic (outside linking it to Brexit).
 

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If you struggle to get past the first few words of a post, maybe that is why you have missed it?

Try reading the full sentence for a start.
Your post started with a straw man (celebrations), continued with an interesting delve into the realms of blatant obviousness (vaccination process not finished) and had an obvious misnomer as the masterly crescendo (denunciating Tory/Brexit apologism, despite it never having been enunciated).

You're a good poster. Don't let a difference of opinion on any matter sully that credibility.
 

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Because they will be working for polish people?
Bold of you to assume that Polish companies will want to hire uneducated Brits. We'll be lucky to have textbooks in our schools in fifty years let alone holographic laser beam cerebral cortex implant books or whatever the rest of the world will be using in 50 years.
 

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Bold of you to assume that Polish companies will want to hire uneducated Brits. We'll be lucky to have textbooks in our schools in fifty years let alone holographic laser beam cerebral cortex implant books or whatever the rest of the world will be using in 50 years.
Somebody's gonna have to go over there and do all the jobs the poles don't want.... cleaning toilets... picking fruit etc etc
 

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"The Tory party is no longer the Tory party" he states. Reads to me like he is a long time Tory voter who has finally been fecked over by them. I have little sympathy for people like him who voted Tory for years (probably because he thought they was good for businesses) knowing they fecked over most of the country.
 

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/thread. Loads more in this boat. Something has to give surely for this to start getting some traction on the news?

Having similar issues as this guy, currently paying 3.7% tarriffs on all goods we're moving between UK/EU due to 3rd country rules of origin that nobody seems to understand or can agree on.