if youre reffering to his first chance of the game when he went alone, I htin he did the right thing. All the angles were closed and he did right to make himself a chance to shoot, slowing down he would have to trick the player again and perhaps waste a chance but it´s all ifs now, he´s a great finisher so I have no doubt next time if he does that he might fire it past the keeper even from that angle. BTW he showed his passing for Rashford goal so really no complaints about him. You can´t be perfect the whole game.
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He is such a great prospect. His 'bad' form is nothing like as low as Rashford's was at a similar age. Not using that as an excuse to sh*t on Rashford who I rate so highly. But Rashford - not often these days - was similar to Rooney in that his bottom level could be basically garbage. For his age he is doing exceptionally well and his finishing is just ice cold and clinical. Rashford, Pogba and Mason - all credit to the academy for bringing through two of the best players in world football with Greenwood heading in the same trajectory.
If that's him being invisible i'd happily take that every week
I swear fans on redcafe think a player should be touching the ball every minute or something, it's very weird.
And scoring/assisting with each touchIf that's him being invisible i'd happily take that every week
I swear fans on redcafe think a player should be touching the ball every minute or something, it's very weird.
Yeah, I know we have high hopes for Greenwood, but c'mon, what more do people want?If that's him being invisible i'd happily take that every week
I swear fans on redcafe think a player should be touching the ball every minute or something, it's very weird.
His performances live or die on where he is when he receives the ball
Thought he played really well yesterday. I've noticed that Cavani is talking and guiding him through what he should be doing, where to pass, when to shoot etc.
If he takes this on board which I think he will because he seems to be listening instead of stropping we're going to have a hell of a player on our hands.
He's got all the ability in the world.
If he takes this on board which I think he will because he seems to be listening instead of stropping we're going to have a hell of a player on our hands.
He's got all the ability in the world.
Masochistic desires?
He needs space to shoot in order to score goals, he got that yesterday.
Far too many times this season he gets the ball way too far away from goal and he's always shut down when he gets it.
If we do not address this issue he'll continue to struggle...
Far too many times this season he gets the ball way too far away from goal and he's always shut down when he gets it.
If we do not address this issue he'll continue to struggle...
Every striker on the planet needs space to shoot, the best ones know how to create space for themselves. Greenwood was excellent at doing it last season and has been doing it well this season, it's why (even if his finishing has been below par) he's still getting lots of chances.
I actually was more happy with his assist yesterday. Goals he can score, but if he also adds assists to his weaponry it will be extremely beneficial for the team
I can't really recall the chances you talk about. This season he barely had any, earlier in the season he had some misses but since November he's rarely had a chance to shoot. Every time he gets the ball he has 2 players to beat, and he can't win in those situations.
He certainly did, but actions speake for themselves no need to dedicate a post to the "haters and doubters". Seems quite inmature to me.
He’s 19.
I gave Greenwood a 7 yesterday. Brilliant on the finish and the pass to Rashford, but he really should have cut the ball back to VdB for the tap in.
When we bring in Sancho we’ll have a proper RW, but he’s doing enough for me to hold the fort down while we wait.
When we bring in Sancho we’ll have a proper RW, but he’s doing enough for me to hold the fort down while we wait.
So? Mistakes are expected from teenagers but that doesn't mean they should be praised nor accepted.
I hope someone is properly guiding Greenwood, he has all the potential in the world but seems to me that he's a lad that can easily throw his career away, he wouldn't be the first talent to go to waste because immaturity.
People do realise the defender was covering VDB for the pass early on. The defender was quite literally waiting for it. I have no idea why he's getting criticized for that when he doesn't have any other option but to shoot or turn back.
I think Greenwood really needed that goal.
You could see in games previous he was too eager to score a goal, trying to do everything himself, shooting from all angles. He done that with the 2 chances he got, went straight for goal. I don't mind him doing that on the odd occassion but we need the RW to create for others too.
After the goal he looked to calm down a bit and played a good ball to Rashford. Hopefully that goal kicks him on as it was important for him not only to score a goal but get a goal against a big opposition.
You could see in games previous he was too eager to score a goal, trying to do everything himself, shooting from all angles. He done that with the 2 chances he got, went straight for goal. I don't mind him doing that on the odd occassion but we need the RW to create for others too.
After the goal he looked to calm down a bit and played a good ball to Rashford. Hopefully that goal kicks him on as it was important for him not only to score a goal but get a goal against a big opposition.
I think you’re going way overboard. It was just an IG post in relation to the stick he’s been getting this season.
Ok boomer.
There will be a day he scores 4-5 goals in a game and we’ll think it’s normal. Don’t ever forget that thought while watching him grow.
Yes he is that special.
Yes he is that special.
What you on about
Him being 19 is not an excuse or valid reasoning for some of his poor performances. There's plenty of players who had more responsibilities and pressure on them at 19 than Greenwood, and they dealt with it and were consistent (R9, Mbappe, Aguero, Messi, Benzema, CR7, Joao Felix, Erling Haaland just to name a few).
This last game was a step in the right direction after a series of missteps, but he's been a professional for a while now, he's been well-looked after and managed by Ole so I'm not buying the whole 'he's 19' as if that dismisses everything. And if I'm making an unfair comparison with the names mentioned, then don't put him on the pedestal some did on here a year ago because as I said then, it's only detrimental to a player in the early stage of his professional career.
I think he's got all the potential in the world, and he can be a great player, but he's had enough reps at the top where his mistakes deserve criticism just like any other player, especially given that he can do so much better with his current ability.
This last game was a step in the right direction after a series of missteps, but he's been a professional for a while now, he's been well-looked after and managed by Ole so I'm not buying the whole 'he's 19' as if that dismisses everything. And if I'm making an unfair comparison with the names mentioned, then don't put him on the pedestal some did on here a year ago because as I said then, it's only detrimental to a player in the early stage of his professional career.
I think he's got all the potential in the world, and he can be a great player, but he's had enough reps at the top where his mistakes deserve criticism just like any other player, especially given that he can do so much better with his current ability.
Excuse after excuse for Martial, shit on a 19 year old in his second season.
What does Martial have to do with this thread? Weird.
It’s a comment on you. Excuses can’t be made for being 19 but everything under the sun can for Martial.
What did Greenwood have to do with a thread about Rashford and Martial? Weird.
Felix is 21 - he has improved this season, was very inconsistent last season.
Benzema - 5 goals 5 assists at 19.
Aguero - 5 goals at that age.
Ronaldo - He was no where near consistent at 19..
So, I dont know where you are getting this from, not many are consistent at 19, you have named a handful of players out of millions so yes being 19 is a valid reason.
It was very well documented that Joao Felix had a tough start to life in Spain. Also Mbappe's had plenty of struggles and obstacles to overcome, not that anyone on RedCafe has ever taken any notice. Also it remains to be seen how Haaland would deal with a dip in form, he's not had one yet but it's inevitable.
Have a look at some of the Golden Boy recipients over the last couple of years and you'll notice a trend with them that applies to Greenwood too, Mattias de Ligt had a shaky spell after moving to Juventus and made some very high profile mistakes and has since recovered his form and is one of their best defenders, Mbappe and Felix have already been discussed, Raheem Sterling had a barren adjustment period towards the end of his time with Liverpool and his first season at City was a disaster and is now regarded as one of the best wingers in the country, Martial went through a similar patch to Greenwood (that actually spanned mutliple seasons) and finished as our top goalscorer last season and as @acnumber9 mentioned you've had endless excuses for him.
Looking at some of your other examples, Cristiano Ronaldo at 19 was incredibly streaky, us United fans should know that better than anyone else. As was Wayne Rooney who went on to be one of our best ever players.
Young players go through these poor patches of form, of course it's a valid excuse for his form seeing as almost every high-profile teenager has spells in and out of form, it's how they overcome that form that seperates players like Mbappe from Renato Sanches.
Well you clearly haven't been reading my posts on Martial, but I'm not surprised.
Just the last few years.
Well it's a match thread, man. I hate almost all players when we're losing.
What on earth...
All those "haters and doubters" are gonna go after him doubly hard on social media when he's in bad form now that they know he pays attention to that stuff.
Yeah, that’s a woeful post.
Greenwood is not one of millions of players out there, his talent is in that bracket I mentioned, at least according to most on here and I tend to agree with it.
I get being inconsistent at 19 here and there, it happens to much older players (also Benzema was the main threat against United in the CL, maybe he was 20 so I was off by one year but all the responsibilities were on him to score and he actually did giving a rough time to Vidic/Ferdinand in a dominated team, also was consistent in the league). Aguero had far more than 5 goals at that age, not sure where you got that, he had 27 goals and 15 assists the season he turned 20. Cristiano was inconsistent but still showed things pretty much every game, I can't remember too many games where he was a passenger the whole time he was on the pitch, which has happened to Greenwood a lot this season.
He's possibly got the highest ceiling of all the forwards on the squad, I don't think it's reasonable to expect him to score or assist every game, but he's been a passenger for most of his games this season but I think it's disingenuous to put him on the pedestal that I believe he belongs on, but then dismiss all criticism of him as irrelevant because of his age, he's not right out of the u-19's.
Mate, you've got me either confused with someone else or you're in the wrong thread. This is the Greenwood thread. I'd suggest you read my posts on Martial this season if you think I make excuses for him. If you're going by last season's posts, then obviously they had a more optimistic tone.
Agree, Im not saying its a problem I just didnt liked it thats all.
Imagine being critical of mason.
Absolute talent. Lucky to have him
Absolute talent. Lucky to have him
Aguero scores 6 goals the season he turned 19, which is relevant seeing as Greenwood turned 19 this season. Benzema was 20 when he played well against us. Why are you using their performances from a year later in their development as comparisons? Greenwood could well be a much better player a season on from now. It only makes sense to actually compare them at the same age. Re Ronaldo, 1, there were games when absolutely nothing came off for him and 2, Greenwood is also being played out of his preferred position in a season where opposition are better prepared for him. He needs time to add to his game. Your comparisons are pretty inconsistent across the board to paint a narrative that suits your argument.
Not just young players, all players.
Some of the very best players in our history have struggled for form right in the middle of their peak years, Rooney and RVP being two such examples and theres plenty more (Big Pete and Teddy had pretty poor starts to 98/98 iirc?). It literally happens to the best of them! Lets hope that Ole has taken a leaf out of SAF's book in this regard and is supporting and gearing Mason up for a strong/impactful second half of the season and he helps us win some silverware!
I find it awful how fans can turn on someone like Mason so quickly - an unbelievable talent who made an incredible contribution at 18 years of age, now experiencing a few personal issues coupled with some growing pains and people want to write him off, it's crazy. Hopefully Ole and the rest of the squad are more empathetic to his situation and help him through it - I think if Mason continues to work hard (he looked a bit more perked up against Liverpool than he has recently to me) then he will be fine and will become the player we all think he can.
Agree with the rest of your post too - well said.
Kid is being played out of position. In two years when Cavani goes away, and possibly Martial, the striker position will be his. We can't attack him for being who he is.
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