SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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I'd expect them to give any data like that to the MHRA - and I'd expect the MHRA to insist on it. Of course that might just be an ethical not a legal requirement.

My guess is that the numbers in the over 70 are still too low to narrow the efficacy error margin, and someone is waiting the worst case (and AZ will quote the best)

Anyway, AZ have got some explaining to do today.
That will definitely be happening. And the MHRA can change the license accordingly.
 

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Is this just going to turn out that the lower confidence interval on their data for the small number of >65s is 8% and someone's got over excited?
 

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An English journo has tweeted that the 8% references the % of over 55 yo’s in the study. And the German article is completely wrong.

Oops.

If this pandemic teaches us anything, it should be to check our numbers before speaking.
 

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AZ & Pfizer have received biliions & billions of subsidies from the EU and are now suspected of breaching agreements with the EU and prioritizing the supply of the subsidized vaccins to non EU countries. Great!!
 

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AZ & Pfizer have received biliions & billions of subsidies from the EU and are now suspected of breaching agreements with the EU and prioritizing the supply of the subsidized vaccins to non EU countries. Great!!
Someone has played some serious 5D chess to Brexit us when we did. :nervous:
 

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Oops.

If this pandemic teaches us anything, it should be to check our numbers before speaking.
Hardly need this pandemic to teach us that, people just don't learn or choose not to. This 8% stat will still be quoted for eternity by those that want to watch the world burn and those that haven't seen it debunked or know how to research properly themselves will wonder whether or not its true.
 

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I'm hearing that the government is going to effectively close the borders to all air travelers with this enforced 10 hotel stay applying to anybody flying into the UK.
 

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I'm hearing that the government is going to effectively close the borders to all air travelers with this enforced 10 hotel stay applying to anybody flying into the UK.
BBC seems to think it will only apply to those coming from high risk areas like South America.

It's all about 6 months too late.
 

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I'm hearing that the government is going to effectively close the borders to all air travelers with this enforced 10 hotel stay applying to anybody flying into the UK.
Does this shit worry anyone else? Why are they now after a year suddenly implementing these measures?
 

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Does this shit worry anyone else? Why are they now after a year suddenly implementing these measures?
I'm guessing to have some control over the variants. By the time the discussion was had on initial controls like you mentioned below, the damage was well and truly done. Whilst a year too late, I don't think it's a worrying sign of enforcing a quarantine. I'm more worried that it's taken a year to come to the conclusion.

The UK barely has a border force at airports these days. I'm not even sure we could have screened all the flights if we even wanted to.

What should have happened is that by Feb we should have either stopped all flights from China or quarantined those arriving. Would probably have still been futile though.
 

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20k cases and 1631 deaths, 3341 hospital admissions

Some good news about cases coming down at least.

Regarding flights, it's about the new variants in South America and South Africa. If you keep allowing people in carrying certain variants it becomes tricky to control and trace so there's good reason to do it now.

Back in March April Uk had millions of people abroad. In 2019 we made 19 million visits to Spain alone so I don't think quarantining was on the cards. Incidentally the cases swamping the UK were nearly all linked to people coming home from mainland Euopean hotposts in France Italy Spain and ski resorts. Blocking China wouldn't have made a difference for the UK, the virus was already spread from China to mainland Europe's big tourist spots.
 

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So is this British variant more transmissible or not? I've heard it's not actually.
 

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Another 1631. Those daily deaths are tragically and persistently not dropping.
Of course they're not. We were at 50k cases a week 2 weeks ago and hospitalisations have been rising.

But case numbers have been down for 2 weeks now, and it will make a difference. Unfortunately, there's some more grim death news to come in the meantime.
 

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Seen on the likes of Sky News saying how behind these numbers are a loved one. This time tomorrow they'll announce the latest numbers and move on within a minute.
 

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Horrible milestone reached. The minor positive is that cases look to be coming down but I doubt that will get reflected in the number of deaths coming down for at least another 1/2 weeks.

Serious questions have to be asked about how the govt has handled the pandemic from the start & there needs to be some accountability.
 

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The UK has failed, our government has failed, our media has failed to hold them account, the opposition sit on the fence.
 

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Apart from Piers Morgan on the odd occassion, I've seen little media scrutiny of how we have the 5th highest death toll in the world which is shocking considering the size of us compared to other nations. It is an absolute scandal of the highest order.
 

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Apart from Piers Morgan on the odd occassion, I've seen little media scrutiny of how we have the 5th highest death toll in the world which is shocking considering the size of us compared to other nations. It is an absolute scandal of the highest order.
They're all mates with the cnuts. The British media treat the Tories in the same way Ty does Arsenal.
 

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Apart from Piers Morgan on the odd occassion, I've seen little media scrutiny of how we have the 5th highest death toll in the world which is shocking considering the size of us compared to other nations. It is an absolute scandal of the highest order.
Lewis Goodall for Newsnight is pretty good.

The thing that angers me from a media standpoint is that today they'll be rightly taking about how today is a sombre and grim moment and how say that behind these numbers are a human tragedy, this time tomorrow the numbers will just be another statistics mentioned in 30 seconds

Compare and contrast how hour media announce the daily death figures yesterday, today and tomorrow.
 

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Lewis Goodall for Newsnight is pretty good.

The thing that angers me from a media standpoint is that today they'll be rightly taking about how today is a sombre and grim moment and how say that behind these numbers are a human tragedy, this time tomorrow the numbers will just be another statistics mentioned in 30 seconds

Compare and contrast how hour media announce the daily death figures yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Definitely agree regarding figures and yes have seen some stuff from Lewis Goodall who has done a good job. This kind of stuff should be a resignation moment for any Government but considering what this one has done since the election, they are like Teflon.
 

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Lewis Goodall for Newsnight is pretty good.

The thing that angers me from a media standpoint is that today they'll be rightly taking about how today is a sombre and grim moment and how say that behind these numbers are a human tragedy, this time tomorrow the numbers will just be another statistics mentioned in 30 seconds

Compare and contrast how hour media announce the daily death figures yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Today's news is tomorrow's fish paper. No different back then as it is now.
 

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The UK has failed, our government has failed, our media has failed to hold them account, the opposition sit on the fence.
Absolutely agree with this, particularly the final 2 points. Boris & his cabinet will get away without any actual accountability as the media barely ask them tough questions. Boris waffles away some BS and on we go. Nothing of substance gets asked at these conferences.

I’m still trying to work out what Starmer is doing aside from his “I’m not as bad as Boris” routine.
 

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Absolutely agree with this, particularly the final 2 points. Boris & his cabinet will get away without any actual accountability as the media barely ask them tough questions. Boris waffles away some BS and on we go. Nothing of substance gets asked at these conferences.

I’m still trying to work out what Starmer is doing aside from his “I’m not as bad as Boris” routine.
I think some are waiting for the dust to settle before going full guns. Let's face it, it's not as though Boris hasn't given them any ammunition.