It's not really their fault though. It's the PGMOL's job to provide the referees with guidance on how the rules should be applied. If they're telling refs that was the right way to interpret the rules (which they did) then the ref and VAR are hardly to blame for going along with it. It's the PGMOL's fault for giving bad instructions. They're the ones who have just been corrected by IFAB, not Moss or whoever.
City's offside goal vs Aston Villa
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Hands up who thought the introduction of VAR would lead to this interpretation and re-interpretation nightmare? What a joke.
Didn't they come out and pat themselves on the back for getting it right after the game? Up their own arses and don't have a feckin clue.
The PGMOL allows refs to interpret and apply the rules as they see fit without any repercussion. They're all in it together and nobody takes accountability. The offsides rule has been examined and discussed every year, especially with the introduction of VAR. So I cannot see how PGMOL does not analyze and scrutinize their own interpretation of offside without the consultation of The FA and IFAB. The ineptitude from the top (PGMOL) goes straight to the bottom (refs on the pitch).
It's a complete farce that these PL refs, who do ref European and FIFA matches, make such horrific mistakes without punishment.
No, they're saying they didn't change it but if every single ref in the world could look at that and agree it was not offside, then evidently that's the guideline they were given
They changed it, make no mistake
It's come to our attention that last week's steaming pile of shit was actually against the rules, we realise that anybody with a brain could see that we've pulled a fast one and now that the cheque has cleared, we're off to buy new suits and a shiny car.
So go feck yourselves.
Yours, the mafi I mean the FA.
So go feck yourselves.
Yours, the mafi I mean the FA.
The bold didn't happen though.
In fact it's so much not a part of the correct guidelines that there are guidance clips showing that it shouldn't have been allowed:
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And if you look on the previous page you'll see a clip from an Italian game that appears to show the exact same thing.
Thats not true though. Infact we saw an example of it being given correctly offside on the very same day in the Italian Super Cup.
This is insane. Why was is that hard to think about that goal and say, wait a minute, Rodri shouldn't be able to attack Ming from behind the offside line in that context? I can understand the referee having doubts. I cannot understand the VAR team not being able to think about it. They can even Google the law of football if they want.
So it wasn't offside but now it's offside
Yes, he should. And your reasoning is sound, too.
No excuse for VAR in that instance. The problem is they are more concerned with protecting their mate on the pitch than getting the right decision. Even the former referee who works on BT always agrees with the match official, when most people know the decision is wrong. They don’t have common sense, and when they make a howler, they quickly blame interpretation of the rule book.
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They should have just resolved it at the end of the season. It’s messing up the integrity of the league to adapt the approach within the season. I’m sure it’s unlikely to happen but it’s clearly not fair if another teams last minute winner is chalked off under the same circumstances.
Which was widely pointed out as a mistake in the media the next day. Earlier in the season inter won a penalty against torino which was identical to the Mings-Rodri situation(awarded with VAR, no less) and the refs were praised for it
Seems to be a case where IFAB didn't communicate properly
The former referee initially completely disagreed with the decision during the match commentary with a sensible explanation but followed the referee party whip once the decision was clarified on Twitter. Shows how completely insane the whole thing was.
The same way the handball given against lindeloff now won't be given.
But it's the FA, so I expect nothing less than cretinous buffoonery.
Madness that they couldn't even figure out as it happened that it was offside.
It's still not as bad as the Lo Celso stamp. Not given originally because "he didn't have anywhere else to put his foot".
Totally laughable.
Totally laughable.
What a clown fiesta.
@limerickcitykid You knew the rules and the rest of us were clueless... 
Replay the whole game
The number of smart arses on the night who said "yeah but, no but ... that's the rule" or "you're stupid, he can't be gaining an advantage because Ming's played the ball"...@limerickcitykid You knew the rules and the rest of us were clueless...
Looks like City legend ‘Brown Envelope’ is back in good form.
We can expect radio silence in this thread from them.
Wow
I hope someone writes a letter of apology to Dean Smith....
... and he sends it back with "go feck yourself!!!!" written in claret and blue marker pen
Same thing with Spurs getting shafted by the ridiculous hand ball rule at the start of the season that cost us at least 2 points. Which is now changed of course but we still lost the points. Shit happens.
It was always offside. Ridiculous that it was given and ridiculous that some people had the temerity to argue that they got it right. Absolute nonsense decision.
Yeah. Gomes was at fault. Not the ref.
I knew the rules about rebounds from keeper saves, which is completely irrelevant to this case as where was their a keeper save? Nowhere. So you are indeed still clueless and a keeper’s save is still not considered an intentional play of the ball.@limerickcitykid You knew the rules and the rest of us were clueless...
I was kind enough to provide you with the specific page of the laws of the game to show you even. If you’re so clueless you can’t read then good luck to you.
The incompetence of Premier League officiating will never cease to amaze me. How can the biggest league in the world be run by such morons.
Ive said all along, the technology is great, the problem is the imbeciles using it. Honestly, a massive review of every premier league official needs to be done soon, in truth it should have happened years ago. The level of refereeing has been atrocious for about a decade now.
Ive said all along, the technology is great, the problem is the imbeciles using it. Honestly, a massive review of every premier league official needs to be done soon, in truth it should have happened years ago. The level of refereeing has been atrocious for about a decade now.
It was used as an example as to why the law was being applied completely incorrectly, and how ridiculous the interpretation you were doubling down on was. We all knew how offside worked from a save. We also knew how offside worked when a player came back to challenge from a offside position. That was made very obvious you. Now we have The PL stating beyond contestation that you were wrong to interpret it in that way, and still you're arguing the toss!
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Miles offside, im not having that mate its bang out of order
It isn't an example as it is a completely different scenario.It was used as an example as to why the law was being applied completely incorrectly, and how ridiculous the interpretation you were doubling down on was. We all knew how offside worked from a save. We also knew how offside worked when a player came back to challenge from a offside position. That was made very obvious you. Now we have The PL stating beyond contestation that you were wrong to interpret it in that way, and still you're arguing the toss!
I didn't double down on anything, I corrected your clueless post about keeper saves.
We all know how offside worked from a save?
Clearly you don't know how offside works from a save or you wouldn't have come out with the cluelessness above. You think I made up definitions which are found in the laws of the game. So you clearly don't know how it works as the legislation clearly differentiates between the two. The only thing obvious was you thinking fifa laws were somehow made up by me. Unfortunately, no I don't work for FIFA. Yet you're still here arguing the toss
Now we have the PL stating absolutely nothing about keeper saves and you're still acting clueless
. Keeper saves aren't considered intentional plays of the ball, sorry that is still too hard for your clueless brain to comprehend. Football is so terrible since VAR.
No it wasn't