Bayern have bought very well, recently though, it seems clubs are not getting bullied by Bayern as much as they used to. Players themselves and clubs are more inclined to selling talents abroad like you say. I am sure Havertz, Werner if they stayed in Germany would have ended up at Bayern.
Not sure about Werner (they hesitated when they had the chance) but if Havertz had been willing to let his contract run out then yes, Bayern definitely would've lowballed us.
Do you remember the Vidal saga? That was fun
Oh yes, absolutely loved how that turned out.Do you remember the Vidal saga? That was fun
They are very good at turning a players head. Look at Sane, they waited extra year knowing he will join. Unfortunately, it did not work with Havertz and Werner because they thought it is a bit snakey to their clubs too.
I'm sure you did, as a Leverkusen fan. I would have liked to see Vidal at Bayern, but I enjoyed the whole soap opera side to it.
I tried to keep up with his performances in the beginning but currently it's just a shit tonne of football being played so I haven't seen him play in months to be honest.
The bankruptcy was in 2005 I believe. In 2011, they were considered in top 20 richest club. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/779886-the-top-20-richest-clubs-in-world-football
Well, you got your way eventually
At that point in time I was happy that Heynckes left. Never liked him and the football was boring. So when he pulled off that move I thought it was very cnutish and I held a huge, huge grudge against Bayern anyway. After all the Lucio, Ze Roberto and Ballack signings weren't that long ago back then. The Vidal saga was probably the pinnacle of my hatred towards Bayern, simply because they displayed such incredible arrogance during that press conference in which they said 'Vidal comes this season at our price our next season for free'. And our ex coach who said he didn't want to extend because he'll end his career for good sat right next to Hoeneß, shamelessly turning the head of one of our very own players! He probably even prepared all that while he was still paid by us to coach Vidal. Honestly, I still think that's the meanest backstabbing a coach has ever done to his former club in the Bundesliga.
Still love Turin for that. The biggest middle finger you could show that club.Minor point, but I'm not a Bayern fan (or anyone's for that matter). I just like football.Well, you got your way eventually
I find this very interesting. I'm from Britain and I'm okay for some cheeky, fun & entertainment based rivalry but it does go over the top to the point that you'd question if it was a safe place to go when people were drinking before a match back in the day. Even now it can lead to unnecessary fights over a sport.
Bayern was not interested in Werner cos they passed on him a season earlier before he signed an extension
The part you bolded isn't really true for everyone. Fans of the German top 5 definitely rather see a player move abroad than to a direct competitor or Bayern. I don't want players like Sancho or Havertz to stay in the league for example, though I enjoy if they develop well.
As far as I know, you offered 10.5m and Juventus offered 14.5m in total.
I could be wrong but this was what I saw
Yeah I'm not particularly sure about the players staying within the league because ultimately players will come and go from every league - it sounds a bit like Bayern being able to target certain players at their will and thinking that everyone is always happy with it.
It's quite some time now but I remember how people analyzed the balance sheet of Juventus back then and derived thatbthe fee was ultimately around 14.5m. I obviously don't know what Bayern offered but it was always reported to be around 10.5m. Can't recall the exact phrases Völler used either but the reports all suggested that Bayern tried to lowball us and Juventus finally made a higher bid. As far as I know, Bayern put too much trust into Vidal keeping his word who instead took the easy way out once Juve made an offer Leverkusen deemed acceptable.
But how is it feeding if they had no choice?
Bayern targets young German players or bundesliga players since they can't really compete with the moneybags in Europe, try to lock them early before they become global stars and give them a competitive salary
I still think it'd be insane to sell one of your best players well before his contract runs out just because he doesn't want to extend his contract. Should United do that with Bruno this summer, if they offer him an extension in March and his salary request is unacceptably high? (No idea what's left on his contract.)
I don’t think you can and should compare Dortmund’s situation with ours as well as other clubs that have the money and suitable situation to take such risk. This why I posted this (below quote) to kaiser1 regarding to his question about why clubs like Bayern, Barcelona, PSG did not sell Alaba, Messi, Mbappe before their last year.
What three examples? Are you referring to Lewandowski, Gotze, Hummels?
What I meant by ‘’that other Bayern fans’’ is kaiser1 because the guy is Bayern fans and I had the discussion with him about it.
Was the only choice to leave it in their final year contract? Leverkusen didn’t take a risk to wait until Havertz reaches to his final year contract. The point is how Leverkusen handled the situation that led them having the power to set very high price on havertz. No cheap release clause like Götze to invite Bayern stealing their players for easily and cheaply. Not leaving Havertz to his final year of his contract so they don’t need to sell cheap to Bayern like Hummels was. And of course no free signing top player like Lewandowski.
https://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/392...und-blunders-leave-lewandowski-with-no-choice
Lewandowski joined Dortmund in June 2010 on a 4yr contract, on a low salary given his profile. Struggled initially but gradually improved. By December 2011, 18months into the deal and 2.5yrs to end Dortmund approached him for a deal, Around the same time, Bayern approached him(covertly). Dortmund offered him an improved deal but Bayern was reportedly offering him double what BvB offered. 2012/13 season started, he had 2yrs left and his performances improved massively it was obvious to Dortmund that they cannot afford what he wanted and cannot keep him
How was a release clause of 45M cheap in 2011/2012 when he signed the contract? What was the EPL highest buy at that time? How many players in the EPL got signed for over 45M around 2011?
Read the above from what you quoted. After 18months(1.5yrs) leaving 2.5yrs. Dortmund made moves to extend. By then Bayern had offered him something which was a far cry from what Dortmund could afford. Similar to how Bayern approached Alaba but its obvious someone had already promised him higher a figure at par with Lewandoski
In 2011, Dortmund was the top 20 richest club in the world https://bleacherreport.com/articles/779886-the-top-20-richest-clubs-in-world-football. How is being top 20 richest club having issue with financial power that they can’t afford to pay 8m euro per year for his salary? Isn’t it obvious, the lack of ambition and would rather be Bayern feeding club was the main reason?
Didn't Dortmund still have some debt to banks or something because of how bad they were 10-15 years ago?
Who are you referring to?
The article doesn't say anything about ''By then Bayern had offered him something which was a far cry from what Dortmund could afford.'' Would you mind to show me please?
Yes 2005 I believe not 2011.
Around 2010 to 2011, Bayerns top earners were Ribery and Schweinsteiger on 10M a yr,
Bayern's from that link you provided was 3rd richest in Europe in 2011, valued at $1billion revenue and $396M What sense does it make for Dortmund #20 on the list, valued at 260M (a quarter of Bayern) and revenue 125M(less than a third of Bayern) to pay Lewy 8M?
I don't even think many Dortmund fans are accusing Bayern to continuously steal their players.
Lewandowski had only 4 seasons at Dortmund.
See, the guy has already stated that he doesn't understand how anyone can defend a rival club, even if it might be correct. He's holding a grudge against Dortmund after the Sancho saga so he's going to use all kinds of self reasoning to justify his opinion of Dortmund being a feeder club by their own choice.
That's a very weird statement. I mean, it's not like Bayer is making profit with the club. They could generate a larger return on investment by allocating the resources in other projects.
Bayern has more than just one player aka lot of players with salary of 5m-8m per year. What sense does it make for you to start comparing Dortmund‘s chance to pay only one single player in their squad as caliber as Lewandowski for 8m per year?
Who?
I don’t compare Dortmund to Leverkusen. I made a point what Dortmund could have done for those three players, give the player new contract before in their final year without inserting release clause or sell them before their final year of the contract to get lot of money like what they did to Aubameyang & Dembele and also Leverkusen did on Havertz (Which why I mentioned Leverkusen’s case on havertz).
You are only mentioning the transfers that support your theory. I could easily claim the opposite with accusing Leverkusen to be a feeder club for Dortmund.
