Was he just standing and watching on their second goal too whilst Bruno was busting a gut from much further away to get back in and do something to help?
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What on earth was he doing for their second goal? Beyond pathetic from him
I mean, 2 goals in 14 starts is not good enough no matter what. But when the level of performance and effort is such as last night, there is no excuse.
I’m frustrated he lasted the full game. He was embarrassingly bad and it didn’t look like he cared.
I’m frustrated he lasted the full game. He was embarrassingly bad and it didn’t look like he cared.
Mata has 10x the footballing IQ and passing ability of Martial. And even though Mata is old and slow, he still fecking moves about and makes himself available
The current version of Martial must be the easiest cf to defend against in the league. Just stick within 5 yards of him and hes in your pocket all game because all he does is fecking stand there and wants the ball to his feet
I can forgive bad form and lack of goals, but that lazy, inept shite he served up yesterday was simply shocking.
Its clear Ole has tried to play him into form, despite Martial not really deserving to start, but that has to be it. Feck him
It gets worse with every replay. He just stopped giving a feck
Everything with him is off. His body language, his sulky demeanor, the lack of effort. It must effect his team mates having to play with this guy. There's you busting a gut while this misery strolls about with his head down. Complete contrast to Fernandes who at least puts the effort in when things aren't working for him. Hope this is the end of the line for him, at least in terms of being a regular starter.
My self esteem is fine thank you. I just think 4/5 pages of people seemingly delighted by a poor performance isn’t productive and your “insult” towards me shows exactly the kind of discourse you are open to.
This one made me laugh the most. Martial didn’t battle enough at all tonight.Absolutely not. I think the performance was well below standard. Lots of misplaced passes, poor touches and no real attacking intent from him. It was one of his worst performances certainly since Ole has been at the club.
I don’t however think we just sell him and that’s the solution. For what’s it’s worth I think he should have come off tonight.
Why would I defend him? It wasn’t a good performance and he should have been substituted. I didn’t have the energy to read through the many sell him, he’s a donkey posts.
The performance tonight I don’t personally take any positives from. It was very poor. His performances over the season concern me a lot less.
Tickled me.That is very lazy thing to do to start calling people out in here Mr @BenitoSTARR
Like Martial this season
Similar to the others but still funny.He was awful last night. Last night excluded, Henderson coming back has raised DDG levels and Telles' arrival seems to have done the same for Shaw. Martial seems to be going backwards since Cavani came in.
He should have been off instead of Greenwood. Greenwood looked the most likely to score out of the front 3 last night for me. Rashford is never as effective from the right either and Martial, well he done nothing all game.
He should have been off instead of Greenwood. Greenwood looked the most likely to score out of the front 3 last night for me. Rashford is never as effective from the right either and Martial, well he done nothing all game.
Martial on the second goal is the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. Complete waste of space. All our forward lads are massively overrated, but this guy takes the biscuit. You’ll win nothing with lazy players like him and Rashford. They don’t show any desire. Are they not embarrassed when the look at the work rate of Cavani?
That's an insult to Juan Mata who always gives his all, can't remember him looking unmotivated and lazy.
Get rid in the summer.
Scholes said it best- he fooled us all last season into thinking we have a proper number 9 in our team.
When he's on form and motivated than he's brilliant to watch, but those moments are so rare and instead of going forward with his progress he's taking steps back in developing his game.
I can understand being out of form, but don't understand lack of effort. Jogging back or just staying still while everyone else run like crazy because of YOUR mistake should never be tolerated.
Get him out of the first eleven and play with 2 strikers, any combination of Rashford/Cavani/Greenwood is better than playing disinterested player.
Would go as far as looking at offloading him in the summer while we can get some money for him, he lost all credit he had with United in my eyes.
When he's on form and motivated than he's brilliant to watch, but those moments are so rare and instead of going forward with his progress he's taking steps back in developing his game.
I can understand being out of form, but don't understand lack of effort. Jogging back or just staying still while everyone else run like crazy because of YOUR mistake should never be tolerated.
Get him out of the first eleven and play with 2 strikers, any combination of Rashford/Cavani/Greenwood is better than playing disinterested player.
Would go as far as looking at offloading him in the summer while we can get some money for him, he lost all credit he had with United in my eyes.
He should be dropped for that bit of play only. The game is 1-1 in the 78th minute and you go and do that?
I am sorry but Martial should not start another game until the Europa League.
No idea how he wasn’t subbed off, had an awful season and no signs it’s going to improve. With Rashford and Bruno looking tired someone has to step up or we will be struggling.
He isn’t very good and his mentality is clearly poor, the fact that he is still starting for us is clearly worrying, he still has all the same issues we have been talking about since he arrived.
Lack of movement and work rate, at least when Rashford is off form he is still running in behind and working his socks off, with Martial you don’t get any of that (even when he is in form).
Hopefully gone in the summer but I doubt it.
Lack of movement and work rate, at least when Rashford is off form he is still running in behind and working his socks off, with Martial you don’t get any of that (even when he is in form).
Hopefully gone in the summer but I doubt it.
Annoyed me that. Greenwood was at least putting a shift in and because of that earned some goalscoring opportunities. Subbing him and not martial was taking the easy option.
He has had long enough.
He doesnt have the mentality to be a talisman for United.
He doesnt have the mentality to be a talisman for United.
Even last season I thought he played like a winger being put up front. Or a second striker even if there was not a striker playing ahead of him. He's too easy to defend against and if you're waiting for a moment of brilliance which consists of him dribbling through players from outside the box before scoring a magnificient goal.. well, it can't be consistent. It can never be. Zlatan and Cavani are great forwards because they scored as much fantastic goals as the easy ones. As Andy Cole once said Martial is a scorer of great goals but not a great goal scorer. Ole surely knows this. I expect Cavani to start from now on.
A main CF at United should be a proven goal scorer as history suggests. Why try to avoid it and act like it's good to have a number 9 whos nimble, has fantastic feet, etc if he cant be relied upon to score goals? he is a left forward. End of story.
A main CF at United should be a proven goal scorer as history suggests. Why try to avoid it and act like it's good to have a number 9 whos nimble, has fantastic feet, etc if he cant be relied upon to score goals? he is a left forward. End of story.
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That video of Rashford above is absolutely criminal.
At what point in his career did he think it's okay to walk back into position and give next to no effort?
At what point in his career did he think it's okay to walk back into position and give next to no effort?
Martial is no way near the quality of Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez and Van Persie. NO WAY NEAR
those players leading the line for us had a winners mentality as well as the talent.
thats the standard we must reach if we want to be a title winning team again.
those players leading the line for us had a winners mentality as well as the talent.
thats the standard we must reach if we want to be a title winning team again.
Not only that, but in this match and some previous, he misplaced pass to teammate only to throw his hands up in the air as if it's someone else's fault not his.
Drop him and let other player, doubt we would miss his glorius impact.
Oh yes, his passes to Luke Shaw against Fulham which in no way would Luke Shaw get to them.
I have been an admirer of Martial and backed him, I still think he will come good but for the better of the team, he needs to be dropped.
I know players like James and Mata lack the quality but will never give up.
I like how he tells Maguire to follow the runner in behind but simply doesnt track his man.
Him and Martial need a proper Fergie hair dryer treatment.
if Jose would have had his way he would have been out of the door a while ago, just not good enough for us, would do well going to a European team
They're all free?!
Kin ell. That's appalling. I really really hope Ole chews the pair of them out when they watch that back. Completely let down their team mates.
At least in some way, you know OGS isn’t too keen on him if we were after Haaland this time last year and approved to sign Cavani in October. As mentioned before by people, I have a feeling he’s giving Martial just enough rope to hang himself with, like he did with Lingard.
Maguire as the captain should have gone into that dressing room after and give Rashford and Martial a rocket, they done that all game.
One instance. Rashford cares and runs far more than Martial. Latter could not care less. Just there for that pay package while the rest of the team battle it out. That’s what is unforgivable.
It's not only one instance. Not at all. Martial is worse I agree but Rashford's lack of effort is also quite astonishing for a young lad. Cavani puts them all to shame which should embarrass them.
I've been a massive fan of Martial but he isn't up to it. All the talent in the world but his shoulders drop and so do his performances all too often. He is not going to be the centre forward to return Manchester United to titles.
I don't really understand why people expect either of them to be expert defenders and are crucifying their work in the defensive third. Okay if it is bad, yeah they're attacking players. It is bad. The clip of Martial standing around while we were attacking and had the ball in the box is more concerning.
It's not just one instance.
Not entirely sure how and/or why you've convinced yourself otherwise
It annoys me hugely when I see his name on the teamsheet.
Fed up.
Fed up.
Because I trust Rashford as he has built up a reputation over the years as a hardworking player while Martial has always been lazy. No doubt about that. When I say one instance, I’m not saying Rashford has been like Makelele recently, I’m just saying we shouldn’t group him with Martial, as I also have in the ‘Rashford and Martial are a problem‘ thread.
Of course, but he won’t. It seems to me that Ole will give him plenty of chances still.
This is Lingard and Pereira level that Martial is showing at the moment.
He was good last season, but even then I didn’t think he was ever good enough for a title challenge/winning team.
We should sell him, which will be a task considering his wages.
I was really hoping the younger forwards would learn from the movement and work-rate of Cavani. It's unlikely you'll see immediate results but feck me, they look more half-arsed and lackadaisical than they ever have! Rashford is nowhere near as bad in terms of exerting himself and getting a bit physical, but Martial is completely non-existent. The only time you'll see Martial bussle is when he receives the ball into feet with his back to goal, does a swivel and either gets fouled or passes the ball. There's very little/nothing else to his game at the moment.
Last night was the breaking point with me for Martial.
On pure numbers alone he's having a rotten season, the main number 9 for Manchester United having scored only 2 league goals more than halfway through the season is utterly pathetic in its own way but that's actually not why I think so many have given up on him.
His workrate is an utter disgrace. He's moody, he's lazy and he's shit. I really don't want to see him starting any games this season until he starts fecking putting some work into it.
He's lucky crowds aren't in because Old Trafford would have been on his back last night.
On pure numbers alone he's having a rotten season, the main number 9 for Manchester United having scored only 2 league goals more than halfway through the season is utterly pathetic in its own way but that's actually not why I think so many have given up on him.
His workrate is an utter disgrace. He's moody, he's lazy and he's shit. I really don't want to see him starting any games this season until he starts fecking putting some work into it.
He's lucky crowds aren't in because Old Trafford would have been on his back last night.
Some of the players who have scored the same or more in the league than Martial;
Neil Maupay
Thomas Soucek
Patrick Bamford
Ollie Watkins
Raul Jiminez
Jarrod Bowen
David McGoldrick
Harry Maguire
Chris Wood
Ademola Lookman
Miguel Almiron
Conor Gallagher
Some of the players who have the same or more assists in the league than Martial;
Ashley Westwood
Andros Townsend
Calum Wilson
John McGinn
Willian
Jack Harrison
Che Adams
Timo Werner
Leandro Trossard
Not exactly two lists brimming with potential transfer targets. He is twelfth on the list of most "big chances missed". He fails the eyeball test, he fails the stats test. He is simply not good enough.
Neil Maupay
Thomas Soucek
Patrick Bamford
Ollie Watkins
Raul Jiminez
Jarrod Bowen
David McGoldrick
Harry Maguire
Chris Wood
Ademola Lookman
Miguel Almiron
Conor Gallagher
Some of the players who have the same or more assists in the league than Martial;
Ashley Westwood
Andros Townsend
Calum Wilson
John McGinn
Willian
Jack Harrison
Che Adams
Timo Werner
Leandro Trossard
Not exactly two lists brimming with potential transfer targets. He is twelfth on the list of most "big chances missed". He fails the eyeball test, he fails the stats test. He is simply not good enough.
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