It's not football contracts have a large non-guaranteed component that allows teams flexibility with regard to playing staff. Barcelona, as far as I know, has mostly guaranteed contracts on its books.
Lionel Messi’s Obscene Contract
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Yeah definitely doesn't need to buy Asda's own brand.
Why couldn’t you just say in English that we are all fools and this is why you hardly come on the caf (thanks google translate)
Heh, he kind of did. Bartomeu would have had to relocate his family out of catalunya if messi left back then. He knew he had them by the balls and made full use of it. Definitely not the behaviour of someone who put the club first
It's his career though, so good for him
Porque estoy hablamdo con mi hermano y escribo en el idioma que se me antoja
Y aprendé a usar el google tranlate porque estas equivocada
Cheers
I see.
Bartomeu offered him that much money because he understands that’s what the fans want.
The fans are the ones that make Barcelona earn money.
Ergo, Messi is worth the money they pay him.
Thank you for clearing that up.
Just the one SF CL appearance in that time, a few QF's and a last 16...
I don't think it was worth it, ultimately.
I don't think it was worth it, ultimately.
livid? Haha we just had one of our best trophy stretches in our entire clubs history over the last 4 years. Bad CL runs but amazing la liga runs which still means a lot. We are not on the verge of bankruptcy while the debt is terrible. The team is fan owned. Without him the last four years we would barely get a top 4 spot and have zero trophies. He has absolutely been with his contract and only someone who doesn’t seem him week in and week out would think otherwise. It’s an insane amount of money, but none of the fans or reputable media even in and out of Spain think it was a bad one. The athletic article I shared earlier breaks down how without Messi Barca would be worse off in the long run because of how much he beings I. Regards to tourists to camp nou. He’s a household name and his brand has been huge in getting obscene sponsorship deals as well. The fact that the club refused to sell him even when they finally had an opportunity to do so they held him back
Why not? It's not only about CL performances. It's about the income he produces for Barcelona. It's not so hard to understand, really.
And this huge contract was signed the same year that PSG bought Neymar. I assume that Bartomeu feared City or PSG could return the next year and buy Messi or something like that. There's a Barcelona with and without Messi. There's a price they can charge for every match ticket or advertising with Messi's name in their possesion. As i said, it's not so hard to understand. At least why this huge contract exists.
And this huge contract was signed the same year that PSG bought Neymar. I assume that Bartomeu feared City or PSG could return the next year and buy Messi or something like that. There's a Barcelona with and without Messi. There's a price they can charge for every match ticket or advertising with Messi's name in their possesion. As i said, it's not so hard to understand. At least why this huge contract exists.
He can earn whatever he wants, but when you earn that kind of money and still try to evade taxes you're a scumbag.
Pay up Messi!
Pay up Messi!
Didn't Messi gave Barça the opportunity to break that supposedly horrible contract? Didn't Barça refused and threatend him to take him in to court? No more questions
Is this even if you had reinvested the money you made/saved from him?
do you understand that messi makes barcelona earn more money than what he recieves?
Pre covid? Asolutely. Now he's making them suffer. But that's their own fault.
Mes que un club.... Yeah right, more like Messi's Casino. Except he never loses a dime.
You just know you're ass is going to get bailed out again of course your not fuming.
Every time I see the word "ergo" used in a post, I know the dude probably just watched the matrix.
You keep worshipping a guy that made 555 million euros in a couple years time.
go ahead and keep moving
It's not something I was aware of, are you able to provide a link to the relevant reading?
no, i worship the greatest footballer ever
and i don-t pay him
does his wages come from your pocket?
This is great. Mr. One Club guy crippled the one club, and now is living them next year as they fall deeper into the abyss. Couldn't have happened to a better club.
Great to see them suffer. But we all know they will get bailed out like their cousins have in the past.
To be fair, looking at their incoming transfers for the last half a decade and what they did with the Neymar money, yes, they might have very well been way worse reinvesting in someone else.
And even with perfect investment you'd be unlikely to properly replace a 29 year old Messi looking just at the next 4 years, not to mention losing Neymar the same summer as well.
What I don't understand is why they make that much more when he is playing. Do fans look at the team sheet and just not bother coming if he is due to be rested? And how do they even know? Unless he is injured you are unlikely to cancel a trip you have planned from far away if you learn on the day he won't be there.
And if my Spanish is right they get 50% less? So is it saying that the stadium is half empty when he isn't playing? Wow. That isn't a great look for the fans in terms of commitment.
I suppose the 2 could he linked without one causing the other. Like messi being rested in cup games against lower league teams. But fans not wanting to go see that match. So it looks like its Messi but in fact it's the opposition.
So the rumors of Barcelona board trying to demonise Messi in the last few years is true.
Whether it is rumors of him being against XYZ players, him not letting XYZ player in first team and so on. Now this.
Whether it is rumors of him being against XYZ players, him not letting XYZ player in first team and so on. Now this.
There is a lot of conjecture in your arguments - how Barca would have performed in the absence of Messi, no-one can say with certainty.
Theoretically, the €550mm could have been spent to bring in additional players and achieve similar success. Not saying, it would have happened but it’s a possibility. It’s also possible that Coutinho / Griezman may have settled better.
I have been watching Barca from before Messi ever played for them and they have always been a top 3 global club. Success in the current era started with the emergence of Ronaldinho, and others like Iniesta, Xavi, Henry, Busquets, Villa and many others contributed to it. I haven’t read the Athletic article but I know enough about business and finance to understand that there is no way to segregate how much one “player” brought in. It’s one or couple of journalists view. If someone links the article, I am happy to go through it and change my mind.
The thing is the money we “saved” on Messi we would’ve wasted on other players because we had one of the most incompetent boards in the history of football for an elite club. After neymar everything was mostly one terrible move after another. If we’re going to throw obscene amounts of money at a player may as well be Messi because he is actually worth it. Look at how poorly we handled replacing the void neymar left And blew all that transfer money. I’d shudder to think what we would do had Messi left after 2017.
I linked through it a page or two ago, if you can’t find it let me know.
bailed out with what exactly? I love what Koeman has been doing and very excited about fati, pedri, dembele, arujao and puig.
but it’ll be another 50 years before this club gets another Lionel Messi
No idea why anyone’s blaming Messi for the mess Barcelona have caused themselves. These are the same idiots who have Griezmann 800k a week when any club in world football wouldn’t give him half that and Griezmann desperately wanted to be at Barcelona. It seems like they negotiate like they’re hoping to be the players best friend.
I was just thinking about how before Messi you were built around one incredible player as well. It's gonna be odd seeing a Barca team sheet and it not being obvious who the biggest threat is.
Television pay a lot more if messi is playing because the advertisers play more to them
Barcelona can sell season tickets higher and faster with him in the team
Even the president of the spanish football association said that la liga gets better tv deals with messi there
Without Messi their debt would have been higher
Messi makes Barcelona earn a year at least one hundred millon euros.
Yea, he's definitely walking through waitrose with zero fecks being given.
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Thanks - though I think the question can still be asked if Barcelona would've been better off replacing him with the next biggest star and have him start generating income for them, they would arguably be better off now (easy to say in retrospect I know).
I never realised how precarious things were for La Liga clubs by the way, I can see the league going the same way as Italy in the next few years particularly once Messi has retired..
Haha, fair point.
I was thinking more along the lines of Mbappe/Haaland/Pogba and keeping Suarez for example but certainly easier said in retrospect, had Messi moved to City and won the CL then people would be questioning how on earth you let him go...
That signing bonus is a bit much.
To be fair, looking at their incoming transfers for the last half a decade and what they did with the Neymar money, yes, they might have very well been way worse reinvesting in someone else.
And even with perfect investment you'd be unlikely to properly replace a 29 year old Messi looking just at the next 4 years, not to mention losing Neymar the same summer as well.
Yeah I see your point, all if's and but's however I don't think Barca's achievements over the last few years have been monumental enough for me to think that there isn't a selection of players they could have brought that would've at least delivered the same number of leagues - obviously the big issue would be Messi playing for a European rival and competing against them for the CL (then again they may be happy that he might have stopped RM getting one or two more)!
This is what I would think too but then again I'm not an expert.
Intheory getting 222M from neymar should’ve been enough to build on of the best teams Messi ever had but in CL it still ended up being a one man show (Suarez was great in la liga though). It’s this toxic incompetent board that has made one massive mistake after another. Very frustrating.