That tells a strong message by its own, I mean there are not two apart groups here. We all want ManUtd to be successful again, the fact that many posters here change to Ole out so easily is a clear sign that eventhough the results were happening they're not convinced by the performances.
Have we just entered into another bad patch? The roller coaster continues
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We mustn't forget it was raining in the game against Arsenal. The ball was slipping and sliding along the pitch. Very difficult to get a result in conditions like that.
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am not sure the performances have been great most of the season, would say we grinded out a lot of results, mostly due to moments of magic, rather then controlling the game and battering opponents.
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Yeah, I agree really, it can be useful to look at certain periods. Just be careful of the conclusions you draw and always look at it from several angles. For example, Ole's overall point-per-game ratio at United is 1.9. This season it's 1.95 - which is basically back to his average after the highs of the second half of last season. If you look at the post-Bruno period as a whole, it's an improvement over the previous year. If you divide it into two halves, there's a regression within it.Well, sure, if City got most points then they are the best. I’m happy with that criteria over any given period, even one match.
Of course the league is won over a specific period, a season, but it’s not meaningless to look at a period of time up to the present; it’s the form table, be it over 6 games, 10, 20, 40. It tells you whether what you’ve been doing has been effective. Far better than saying “we win but we’re shite”, there’s just no point in doing that at all.
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I look at it the other way - that our lucky patch run may be coming to a close, and rough time ahead. We could have easily dropped 10 points before the Liverpool draw, just remember that. It was a reality check really, so those "we are champion, we will finish ahead of Liverpool, we will be 1st of the CL group" - kind of chanting, need not reverse into "sack the manager, half of the squad are useless" mode.
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It's a clear sign that there is a significant number of fans who flip flop their opinions every single game, but that's old news. They have been doing so for years, and probably for every manager.That tells a strong message by its own, I mean there are not two apart groups here. We all want ManUtd to be successful again, the fact that many posters here change to Ole out so easily is a clear sign that eventhough the results were happening they're not convinced by the performances.
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These bad patches are about us getting found out tactically or running out of gas. At the moment it is the latter. The stand out for me against Sheffield (yes we should have won anyway) was Matic being a waste of a shirt in McT/Fred's position. Against Arsenal it was Martial coming on for McT and sitting in all the same positions as Cavani. The common factor was a lack of a midfield player. Certainly a familiar problem.Watching our last 2 performances, not just the results but the poor performances, I wonder if we just hit another bad patch again.
We all know it's been like this with Ole time and time again, the famous roller coaster. We are either flying or shit as feck. Bruno has slowed down and is not bailing us anymore and with Rashford clearly not at his best combined with the fact that 4 of our next 6 games will be tough (Southampton, Everton, WestBrom, Newcastle, Chelsea, City) I think we can easily enter a poor streak.
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Seriously?We mustn't forget it was raining in the game against Arsenal. The ball was slipping and sliding along the pitch. Very difficult to get a result in conditions like that.
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Again I think that's the reflection on how slim those people are convinced about the manager, if they were totally sure they would flip flop so easily.It's a clear sign that there is a significant number of fans who flip flop their opinions every single game, but that's old news. They have been doing so for years, and probably for every manager.
I think most of them are half convinced at best. Of course there is always going to be people doubting the manager, it happened even with Sir Alex.
But we are not talking about a minority here, you've seen how polarized the forum is.
It is actually a sign we probably just miss one last piece to to the puzzle as I think. It may be solved by addition of a new player or by settling down a particular system and the way to play. It’s very close to it now.Our last decent performance in the PL was back in December against Leeds.
This season in general we have just been scraping a lot of wins together, yes that’s always the sign of a good team but the fact that you can probably count on one hand the amount of games in Ole‘s reign that we have been in complete control from start to finish is very telling for me. Even the game against Leeds and RB Leipzig could have have ended up very differently.
I think many issues over last few weeks are due to pogba is back into the team because he has been in a very good shape. He is trying his best and contributing so much for the team. But his inclusion also results in the team less balanced and the other players have to play out of position. We are slow in transition. It’s a really hard situation for Ole.
So true on every bit you said.Again I think that's the reflection on how slim those people are convinced about the manager, if they were totally sure they would flip flop so easily.
I think most of them are half convinced at best. Of course there is always going to be people doubting the manager, it happened even with Sir Alex.
But we are not talking about a minority here, you've seen how polarized the forum is.
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Funny thread! Love the posts summing up the obvious:
"If we win the next few games we are still challenging, but if we lose or draw them we might end up fighting for top4."
Thanks!
"If we win the next few games we are still challenging, but if we lose or draw them we might end up fighting for top4."
Thanks!
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Yes we did.
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People on here really did get carried away. You can say it's all about the 3 points but performances matter, and winning games convincingly matters. There's no such thing as a routine win with this team which makes it almost impossible to put together a sustainable run of results. You're going into Sheffield and West Brom games a nervous wreck hoping we can scrape a win. We've won 2 games comfortably all season (Leeds and 10 man Southampton). Fans on here seem to be delighted with our performances against Wolves, Fulham and Burnley because we got the win in the end, and if anyone dared to question our quality then they were shouted down. The signs were there that results were flattering us.
People on here really did get carried away. You can say it's all about the 3 points but performances matter, and winning games convincingly matters. There's no such thing as a routine win with this team which makes it almost impossible to put together a sustainable run of results. You're going into Sheffield and West Brom games a nervous wreck hoping we can scrape a win. We've won 2 games comfortably all season (Leeds and 10 man Southampton). Fans on here seem to be delighted with our performances against Wolves, Fulham and Burnley because we got the win in the end, and if anyone dared to question our quality then they were shouted down. The signs were there that results were flattering us.
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We've improved from last season, but as we didn't actually improve the team last summer, no-one can really be surprised by it not being enough of a step up.
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Just read this quote on Twitter and it perfectly sums up my thoughts on United and Ole at the moment.
“Under Ole we won’t be shit enough for him to get sacked and we won’t win anything. We are stuck”
“Under Ole we won’t be shit enough for him to get sacked and we won’t win anything. We are stuck”
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We’re going through our bad patch, just as Liverpool are, Spurs are and City did at the start of the season. Hopefully it won’t be for long and let’s face it, if we win the next two games vs Newcastle and Chelsea (I’m not counting the EL game) then we’ll probably be saying something different to now.
I actually think this will be the last game of our bad run. Got a feeling Ole will start playing Bailly again after today and we’ll play higher as a result. I think he’ll also realise that Greenwood HAS to start and that Fred is vital to us both attacking and defending because we became completely impotent when he left the field as he controls tempo really well.
I actually think this will be the last game of our bad run. Got a feeling Ole will start playing Bailly again after today and we’ll play higher as a result. I think he’ll also realise that Greenwood HAS to start and that Fred is vital to us both attacking and defending because we became completely impotent when he left the field as he controls tempo really well.
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It’s always gonna be like this under Ole. We’ll drop out if the top 4 & crash out of Europe; then we’ll go on a good run of form again.
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just one win in the last 5 in the prem now, the one win was a freak against a team Who capitulated after early sending off.
Just 6 points from the last possible 15 same score as Liverpool who are on a dire run...
our form has gone South. the defence is not defending and the forwards are not firing.
pogba will be a big miss
Just 6 points from the last possible 15 same score as Liverpool who are on a dire run...
our form has gone South. the defence is not defending and the forwards are not firing.
pogba will be a big miss
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Bet on it , you'll get good odds, make millions , send me a feeIt’s always gonna be like this under Ole. We’ll drop out if the top 4 & crash out of Europe; then we’ll go on a good run of form again.
If we wanted to win the league we had to shift up in the new year, but we’ve shifted down, regressed.
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Haha.Bet on it , you'll get good odds, make millions , send me a fee
I forgot to mention that the good run of form will start once people start questioning Ole’s job. It’s the same every time. The Manchester Circle, round & round we go. 360 turn FC.
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They'll go on one more good run once the title is lost and expectations are low, but not before they bottle another cup and finish leaving everyone optimistic for another boom-bust cycle to start next seasonIt’s always gonna be like this under Ole. We’ll drop out if the top 4 & crash out of Europe; then we’ll go on a good run of form again.
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This is how I feel to a tee. He has definitely improved us, no doubt. But I can see us being like arsenal of wengers last few years. Constantly getting top 4, maybe a cup or two but never winning the league.Just read this quote on Twitter and it perfectly sums up my thoughts on United and Ole at the moment.
“Under Ole we won’t be shit enough for him to get sacked and we won’t win anything. We are stuck”
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If we keep improving as we have done it will be fine. Hopefully we get 10 more PTS this season than last, we will need to improve to do that Vs the last short while but easily achievable.Just read this quote on Twitter and it perfectly sums up my thoughts on United and Ole at the moment.
“Under Ole we won’t be shit enough for him to get sacked and we won’t win anything. We are stuck”
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Exactly. I’d be happy for us to move him on in the Summer, thanking him for steadying things post Mourinho and clearing out some of the deadwood we’d accumulated under Van Gaal and Mourinho.This is how I feel to a tee. He has definitely improved us, no doubt. But I can see us being like arsenal of wengers last few years. Constantly getting top 4, maybe a cup or two but never winning the league.
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Actually don't think he's been objectively better than Jose. He has improved morale and aspects like aesthetic style of play but coming 2nd to Pep after spending 300m was what lost Jose confidence at the same point in the season except he had actually won two trophies. I desperately hope we don't finish trophyless because we also hadn't gone 3 seasons without winning a single trophy before Ole cameThis is how I feel to a tee. He has definitely improved us, no doubt. But I can see us being like arsenal of wengers last few years. Constantly getting top 4, maybe a cup or two but never winning the league.
There's an impending trophyless crisis looming at the club and everyone is talking about progress
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How can we improve when there’s no consistency? You can’t tell me that we’re 2 or 3 signings away from competing because the team is already good enough to be beating the likes of Sheffield United and West Brom.If we keep improving as we have done it will be fine. Hopefully we get 10 more PTS this season than last, we will need to improve to do that Vs the last short while but easily achievable.
The reason we don’t is because of poor coaching and repeated errors defensively.
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Away with you!2 wins in last 7 league games?
People on here really did get carried away. You can say it's all about the 3 points but performances matter, and winning games convincingly matters. There's no such thing as a routine win with this team which makes it almost impossible to put together a sustainable run of results. You're going into Sheffield and West Brom games a nervous wreck hoping we can scrape a win. We've won 2 games comfortably all season (Leeds and 10 man Southampton). Fans on here seem to be delighted with our performances against Wolves, Fulham and Burnley because we got the win in the end, and if anyone dared to question our quality then they were shouted down. The signs were there that results were flattering us.
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Don't think we should sack Ole. The issue right now is that we are lightweight in the center of defense. Lindelof is weak mentally and physically. We also need one more player of real quality in the final third. We shouldn't forget that Ole wasn't truly backed in the transfer market this summer.
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Depends on what do you mean by improvement. We had 66 points from 38 last year. We are already on 46 after 24. So getting another 20 from 14 games isn't that difficult. But then, that's definitely not enough (to me atleast).We've improved from last season, but as we didn't actually improve the team last summer, no-one can really be surprised by it not being enough of a step up.
To me, if he can get us to 75 points we can consider that as an improvement (3 more wins from last year)
That means, we need another 29 points from 14 games which is just about 2 ppg. We just won't get it.
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The sheff utd result and today’s were so incredibly disappointing, but I felt against Everton we played really well and dominated the game, we definitely deserved the 3 points.
To me we’re not far off, we’re lacking a couple of players and we’re always bound to have ups and downs with the team we have, but I maintain that the foundations are coming together well.
We’re still going through an overhaul of the squad and are almost through the hard work with moving players on, which puts us in a stronger position for future.
Time will of course tell, and the summer transfer window will say for certain, one way or another.
To me we’re not far off, we’re lacking a couple of players and we’re always bound to have ups and downs with the team we have, but I maintain that the foundations are coming together well.
We’re still going through an overhaul of the squad and are almost through the hard work with moving players on, which puts us in a stronger position for future.
Time will of course tell, and the summer transfer window will say for certain, one way or another.
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I personally think that the 2nd half of last season was more enjoyable to watch than this season so far. Defence looked better and the offence was playing better together, more fluid and more people involved.
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A positive for the near future is the mental scheduling of a game every 3-4 days will be coming to an end and it’ll be like a normal season again come March. Any games that happen twice in a week will probably be because we’ll be in the Europa League.
Hopefully that means players like Bruno, AWB, Maguire, Shaw and Rashford get a sufficient breather between games.
Hopefully that means players like Bruno, AWB, Maguire, Shaw and Rashford get a sufficient breather between games.
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But I was told it's just one game after Sheffield United. And the Arsenal game. And the Everton game. And the West Brom game.
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We look like a team that could concede with every attack sadly. Even when we have control of possession we have brainfarts like Maguire against Everton and today.
This kind of mistake breeds nervousness and the way we like to play - out from the back - suffers as a result.
We also found a nice balance up front for that Everton game, yet we see changes today. I get that rotation is needed, but when you’re out of form you have to hold onto any kind of positive and make it work.
Greenwood, Cavani and Rashford in front of Bruno is that positive and we have to stick with that and play ourselves back into form.
This kind of mistake breeds nervousness and the way we like to play - out from the back - suffers as a result.
We also found a nice balance up front for that Everton game, yet we see changes today. I get that rotation is needed, but when you’re out of form you have to hold onto any kind of positive and make it work.
Greenwood, Cavani and Rashford in front of Bruno is that positive and we have to stick with that and play ourselves back into form.
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Yes we have and I suppose we will end up top 4 again with probably Liverpool and Chelsea alongside us making it four. It's just so disappointing that at the crucial moments against Shef Utd, Everton and West Brom we dropped 7 points, we get these 7 points we are not only in the title race, we would have put a significant cushion between 2nd and the rest.
I think some players are just good enough to be top 4 level. If we need to go above that level like winning CPL and PL we need players with better mentality. Cavani and Bruno has that elite mentality, but Cavani's best days are behind him. Grealish is one player i think has that elite mentality to win. I don't see it with Rashford and Martial.
Similarly Fred and Lindelof does not have it. They are just good players they are not players who will take us next level. What happens is these players does not perform when pressure is up. They are mentally weak and in case of Lindelof he is also physically weak so prone to being bullied.
The more elite mentality players and match winners we will have, the more wins we will continue accumulating.
I think some players are just good enough to be top 4 level. If we need to go above that level like winning CPL and PL we need players with better mentality. Cavani and Bruno has that elite mentality, but Cavani's best days are behind him. Grealish is one player i think has that elite mentality to win. I don't see it with Rashford and Martial.
Similarly Fred and Lindelof does not have it. They are just good players they are not players who will take us next level. What happens is these players does not perform when pressure is up. They are mentally weak and in case of Lindelof he is also physically weak so prone to being bullied.
The more elite mentality players and match winners we will have, the more wins we will continue accumulating.
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Same here can see us plodding along until finish outside to four at some stage, don’t think there is much more to come from Ole.Just read this quote on Twitter and it perfectly sums up my thoughts on United and Ole at the moment.
“Under Ole we won’t be shit enough for him to get sacked and we won’t win anything. We are stuck”
People like myself were probably over critical of Ole at start of season, others got massively carried away when on a good run. Truth is somewhere in between and be up and down for rest of season and probably get about 6 more points than last season.