Did the weather only affect our players?
PL D FA Premier League
West Bromwich Albion 1:1 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 14 February 2021
Did the weather only affect our players?
I think that is absolutely the case. Although I still maintain it should be every players instinct, I still don’t understand why the staff don’t light a fire under their arses. Ole has come out and said he doesn’t do “hands on” and Carrick/McKenna aren’t exactly fire and brimstone, (is it any wonder Eg: Martial ambles through every game as though in a trance) Micky is probably the players best mate. I’m not sure I’m 100% serious here but maybe introducing somebody like Keane would bring a bit of application to their daily lives. Not sure they’d survive being shouted at though.
All a bit deflating tbh.
They would all have nervous breakdowns if Keane so much as glared at them. Agree there is no fire in the team apart from Bruno and certainly no fire in that coaching staff.
Yeh very true.
Their feet were cold.
Tough to be to be positive after the game today. I'm still of the opinion that Lindelof was fouled during their goal, but I also agree with Maguire that we shouldn't be relying on VAR to gift us a result against West Brom.
The most frustrating thing with our 'title challenge' is that it's come undone against two of the worst teams I've seen in the Premier League and definitely the worst two this season.
I think it's definitely over now - I had the slightest hope before the game today but there's simply no way City are dropping 10 points and, even if they do, unfortunately it won't be us capitalizing.
Finally, as much as I like McTominay and Fred, they just don't work together against teams who sit back. There's no need for a double pivot there and it's just a waste of a player in the middle. Van De Beek would have been a better option in there imo.
That brings me to a question I've had for quite a while, does anyone think Bruno could be played in a midfield 2? Could we play something like this:
The most frustrating thing with our 'title challenge' is that it's come undone against two of the worst teams I've seen in the Premier League and definitely the worst two this season.
I think it's definitely over now - I had the slightest hope before the game today but there's simply no way City are dropping 10 points and, even if they do, unfortunately it won't be us capitalizing.
Finally, as much as I like McTominay and Fred, they just don't work together against teams who sit back. There's no need for a double pivot there and it's just a waste of a player in the middle. Van De Beek would have been a better option in there imo.
That brings me to a question I've had for quite a while, does anyone think Bruno could be played in a midfield 2? Could we play something like this:
Bruno....McTominay/Fred
Greenwood.................................Rashford
Martial...Cavani
Greenwood.................................Rashford
Martial...Cavani
West Brom were one goal up before the game even started, as far as I'm concerned, because of Lindelof, who couldn't win a header against Verne Troyer, much less Diagne. The real miracle is that we only conceded one goal, to De Gea's credit.
We can't score more than one goal per game against any Championship-level team that sits in a low block. That's disturbing.
We can't score more than one goal per game against any Championship-level team that sits in a low block. That's disturbing.
He doesn't seem happy on the right where he is put to accommodate martial on the left. When martial is subbed for greenwood, Rashford plays on the left but can't do much with his left foot. Defenders know this and show him onto his left foot.He keeps on trying to check back so he can shoot with his right foot but runs into a couple of defenders and loses possession.
Still annoyed by just how blunt we were today. We had an XG of 0.42, WBA had one of 0.95... I mean, that's ridiculous against a team who have conceded over 50 goals in the league.
So who is confident going into our next two away games v Chelsea and City with our same ponderous, week in week out tactics and lack of goals?
I think our away run will certainly come to an end unfortunately. I said in a previous post I will be surprised if we beat our 66 points of last season now. We have taken 10/21 after initially taking 36/51 points. A massive and worrying drop off reminiscent of post Ole being made permanent.
I think our away run will certainly come to an end unfortunately. I said in a previous post I will be surprised if we beat our 66 points of last season now. We have taken 10/21 after initially taking 36/51 points. A massive and worrying drop off reminiscent of post Ole being made permanent.
Shit isn't it.
For me, the system is all wrong and the positioning & movement within it is utterly diabolical...and it's that which can make a difference. Yet we play and take up positions like a bunch of local kids having a kick around who as yet haven't developed anything even so much as resembling a football brain.
So where does that come from....?
We have to be realistic. West Brom are the worst team in the league and we barely troubled them.
It is just not good enough.
It is just not good enough.
I’m more confident going into these games than I am against teams with a low block.
At around 10 minutes in, they showed Martial after a challenge, and I hadn't realized he was even playing. He might not have touched the ball in the first 10 minutes.
We got bullied for most of the match. I mean WTH. Lindelof needs a seat on the bench with Tony. Need someone quicker by Maguire and what is with our captain falling over for a foul AGAIN and letting a player clean through! Rashford is taking WAYYYY too many touches on the ball all the time.... what is going on in his head? He can't make up his mind and he has turned into James.
We needed Matic on for Fred I think. Let McTom push further up but definitely missed Pogba.
We needed Matic on for Fred I think. Let McTom push further up but definitely missed Pogba.
Personally, I think it's his hairstyle.
Assuming the West Brom deserving to win is a joke?
Not coming from someone that worships at the altar of xG.
I’m still waiting to be ordained by the good reverend big chance.
You've got to question Oles persistence in two defensive midfielders against teams we have a high percentage of possesion against
Was van de beek bought to assist Bruno against these teams, as I'm just not getting it, it was clear as day thirty minutes in we needed van de beek on for either Fred or Mctominay yet he holds off till the 75th minute.
That for me cost us the points.
Also why not slot Bailly back in if fit, another head scratcher
Was van de beek bought to assist Bruno against these teams, as I'm just not getting it, it was clear as day thirty minutes in we needed van de beek on for either Fred or Mctominay yet he holds off till the 75th minute.
That for me cost us the points.
Also why not slot Bailly back in if fit, another head scratcher
I’d like to see that.
West Brom state of that. Pathetic. Our form has gone out the window. Looks like another false dawn.
state of that. Pathetic. Our form has gone out the window. Looks like another false dawn.Poor result, poor performance, poor team selection, poor tactics. You would have expected a reaction to going behind so early but nada. Ole continues to play two holding midfielders every game to compensate the weakness of his cb pairing.
Mctom was dropping so deep to help out the cb's who were up against one striker, which meant we couldn't get high up the pitch to press. It's the same old story with this team under Ole we play in patches. When we go on a winning run everything is fine.
As soon as a result goes against us the wheels come off. Losing at home to shef utd and drawing away to West Brom is nothing short of shite. You can forgive Ole for being pragmatic away to Liverpool or Arsenal but fecking these awful teams. We will always be nearly or round about there men under Ole. Need someone a bit more ruthless to take us to the next level, someone who isn't afraid to go for the kill and isn't afraid to take out of form players out of the lineup.
Mctom was dropping so deep to help out the cb's who were up against one striker, which meant we couldn't get high up the pitch to press. It's the same old story with this team under Ole we play in patches. When we go on a winning run everything is fine.
As soon as a result goes against us the wheels come off. Losing at home to shef utd and drawing away to West Brom is nothing short of shite. You can forgive Ole for being pragmatic away to Liverpool or Arsenal but fecking these awful teams. We will always be nearly or round about there men under Ole. Need someone a bit more ruthless to take us to the next level, someone who isn't afraid to go for the kill and isn't afraid to take out of form players out of the lineup.
People saying he was grinning at Pawson after the game. Could you imagine any other manager in the PL doing that if they felt badly done to, they would be giving them a right old ear bashing.
He has been happy to be in the job since day one. Interesting to see if the club extend his contract in the summer as I think it runs out next summer. I personally don't think we should
Neither do I. See if he can win something first. If he does something this season then they might have a case, if not he has one more season. Our board are fecking stupid though.
We just looked absolutely flat with no ideas at all. Worst performance I’ve seen from Cavani. Was non existent.
Agreed, Ole cant play for them and they have to start thinking for themselves, from the first whistle to the last. I havent seen the game yet but no matter how bad the weather is we should be beating West Brom FFS!
Watched it late, and I doubt my take is fresh. But that first half was unacceptable - as bad as anything I can remember, bar a 5 minute spell towards the end of the half. For the first 30 minutes we struggled to get into the final third, quite embarrassing.
This team is either a top class manager away from being relevant or 3 top players who don't need to be instructed to fight for everything and drive the team on.
This team is either a top class manager away from being relevant or 3 top players who don't need to be instructed to fight for everything and drive the team on.
He didn't do much, but we literally didn't create a single chance for him.
We've had quite a few deflating performances in the last couple of weeks, but today really was a killer for my attitude for the rest of the season. I just sense a proper struggle now.
I know we are not happy with referees and VAR, but I now worry that it is becoming a distraction as well for the players. It isn't that it is firing them up, but they will let themselves lose focus on the hard task ahead. Think they are still rankled by the Sheffield United game. I actually wouldn't care if they moaned like hell during a game, but they always seem passive and then gripe after the game instead.
So hard to support someone who clearly cannot see the error of his ways
A lucky draw against West Bromwich says everything about this coach and this group of players
They are both a dead loss these past seven gamesA lucky draw against West Bromwich says everything about this coach and this group of players
City drew with them at home.A lucky draw against West Bromwich says everything about this coach and this group of players
Post comes across like you are 12.
I've been one of Martial's fiecest defenders, but he lost me with his inexplicable lack of work rate. We wasted 70 minutes on him today.
Manchester City have beaten Sheffield at home and now?
If I had a pound for everytime Cavani runs and isn't found I'd have a tenner per match.
The issue is we are out of sync; the midfielders do not play enough balls to space in behind and VARY the play. Eventually as a forward you just stop running.
More movement needed up front and better balls into space or between lines. Easier said than done.
The issue is we are out of sync; the midfielders do not play enough balls to space in behind and VARY the play. Eventually as a forward you just stop running.
More movement needed up front and better balls into space or between lines. Easier said than done.
Agree With this. Also want to add the first time ball was on a number of times, but it's never played and the opposition get back into shape which then forces us to play the ball backwards and start again. It's so fustrating to watch.
We rely too much on individual brilliance without actually having consistently brilliant players.
The likes of Rashford and Martial can be unplayable on their day but aren't consistent enough, we have no genuine game-changers on the bench. Rashford specifically, gets away with way too much.
The defence somehow plays a high-line but don't know how to play the offside trap. We actually get cut through a lot but usually get away with it due to poor finishing.
Ole has done very well, he came in and brought that energy back but unless we get a world class tactician in to help him, we won't achieve anything.
In an Ideal world, he becomes DOF and we get a new Head coach in.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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33%
Bruno Fernandes
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10%
Mason Greenwood
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10%
Harry Maguire
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7%
David de Gea
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3%
Scott McTominay
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2%
Victor Lindelof
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2%
Fred
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1%
Donny van de Beek
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 272 ratings.
Score Predictions
174,5,12
- Man Utd win
- West Brom win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 28% West Brom 0:2 Man Utd
- 28% West Brom 0:3 Man Utd
- 11% West Brom 1:3 Man Utd
- 7% West Brom 0:4 Man Utd
- 5% West Brom 1:2 Man Utd
- 5% West Brom 1:4 Man Utd
- 3% West Brom 1:1 Man Utd
- 3% West Brom 0:5 Man Utd
- 3% West Brom 0:0 Man Utd
- 3% West Brom 0:1 Man Utd
- 1% West Brom 1:5 Man Utd
- 1% West Brom 2:1 Man Utd
- 1% West Brom 2:2 Man Utd
- 1% West Brom 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% West Brom 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% West Brom 2:0 Man Utd
- 1% West Brom 1:0 Man Utd
Match Stats
- West Brom
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 27% 73%
- Shots
- 7 10
- Shots on Target
- 3 7
- Corners
- 4 5
- Fouls
- 13 10
Referee
Craig Pawson
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Donny van de Beek
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replaced by Mason Greenwood
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