United issue statement on racial abuse

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A few weeks ago on this forum a member made a comment that he believed the treatment of Pogba by some [not all but some] members of the fanbase has to do with his race; at this point both Pogba & Rashford had already been racially ‘attacked’ online - fast forward a few weeks later & multiple black United players have been targeted further.

At the time the member made this statement a number of fellow forum members went on to say he was ‘talking utter rubbish’ & dismiss the comment entirely - apparently mentioning race first was the issue. Of those members I’ve seen one in this thread, & their first concern was. . .

is this abuse from our own ‘fanbase’ or from oppo fans?
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Take this thread for example, our clubs players are being targeted unfairly online yet we get 4 pages; now go to the Raiola thread about Pogba leaving & count how many pages we’ve got filled with forum members who seem to have intimate knowledge of Pogba’s motives/thoughts who have determined he’s a ‘virus’ based on nothing but a birdseye perspective on the situation & the words of a mouthy agent; the same agent of Caf darling Haaland btw.

I say all this to say, this forum loves pointing its finger at ‘social media’ & saying people that make these comments aren’t ‘real fans’ but this is a place where the mention of race being an issue garners more reaction than a thread about actual racism against our players. . . Go figure.
 

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Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Mirror, Daily Heil and others reporting on it - again - while completely ignoring the many racist comments that were directed at De Gea, as well as the Axel ones asking to be screenshotted and talking about doing it for the headlines.

The media are extremely transparent. They're pouring gas on the fire, really deliberately.
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The following story will add to it, as how long before we hear, ah see, when its an old white guy abused they pull the finger out and truth be told you can see why they will/would say that.

https://news.sky.com/story/captain-...offensive-tweet-about-nhs-fundraiser-12212582
 

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red4ever 79 said:
Never understood why twitter and these social media platforms dont insist on either your passport number or identity number when creating an account, then have criminal proceedings initiated against these morons.
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Agree it has to be more transparent on who runs and is responsible for these accounts. I'm not on twater or Farcebook. Pointless.
 

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I see Tony Collins has passed away. United's chief scout under Sir Alex and the first football leagues black Manager at Rochdale at the age of 94.
 

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M Bison said:
Agree, says a huge amount about public opinion. There’s even a comment in the rugby one that racism doesn’t really exist in the UK ffs
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There is a huge racism problem fueled by cowards on social media and those companies dragging their feet regards stopping it.
 

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The comments under the official social media posts are always trash. It’s like a game to see who can be the most toxic.
 

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It will never stop until all these social media accounts are verified through ID
 

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Only two ways to stop this, Facebook, Instagram and twitter have a KYC procedure or footballers come off these platforms and move to Linkedin, lets see these brave twats say something when its visible to their boss
 

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Red00012 said:
It will never stop until all these social media accounts are verified through ID
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Yep. It's quite simple.

Otherwise you're bound to get at least one idiot every game.

This forum is anonymous, yet anyone acting an idiot is quickly deleted.

Twitter and facebook obviously have a huge amount more users, but they are a professional company, yet seem to struggle, even though they have 1,000s of staff.

Surely they can run a simple key words blocking system to massively reduce it at the first stage.
 

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Sandikan said:
Yep. It's quite simple.

Otherwise you're bound to get at least one idiot every game.

This forum is anonymous, yet anyone acting an idiot is quickly deleted.

Twitter and facebook obviously have a huge amount more users, but they are a professional company, yet seem to struggle, even though they have 1,000s of staff.

Surely they can run a simple key words blocking system to massively reduce it at the first stage.
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Yeah I don’t understand the last part. Videogames have features in them where you can’t use certain words as your character names. Why the hell can’t social media companies just put in a filter for certain words? Censorship?
 

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Paolo Di Canio said:
Only two ways to stop this, Facebook, Instagram and twitter have a KYC procedure or footballers come off these platforms and move to Linkedin, lets see these brave twats say something when its visible to their boss
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Yes but at the same time many players earn some good money via their social media activity. It's a decision for them to make and it's not easy.
A few days ago Martial's missus said that he has been receiving racial abuse for years at Utd, that this isn't something recent.
 

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Racially abusing any player on any team is beyond disgraceful, I cant even imagine the stupidity it must take to racially abuse a player of the team these idiots claim to support.

If the player they are racially abusing this week scores the winner next week do they have the nerve to celebrate the goal then?
 

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Robertd0803 said:
Racially abusing any player on any team is beyond disgraceful, I cant even imagine the stupidity it must take to racially abuse a player of the team these idiots claim to support.

If the player they are racially abusing this week scores the winner next week do they have the nerve to celebrate the goal then?
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Now that is a good question, they probably will while still managing to insert a few inappropriate words.
 

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Cloud7 said:
Yeah I don’t understand the last part. Videogames have features in them where you can’t use certain words as your character names. Why the hell can’t social media companies just put in a filter for certain words? Censorship?
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A lot of people mistake "free speech" for being "freedom to abuse" unfortunately.
 

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AFC NimbleThumb said:
United play badly, black player gets racially abused online. Rinse. Repeat.

this thread currently stands at 6 pages while the Rugby takes a knee thread stands at 23. . . Go figure.
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That makes sense. That thread was someone on here saying the league should stop taking the knee, that was then open to scope for debate and a lot of criticism of posters. A few of the posts in there even referenced the online abuse.

This is a more open and shut type of thread. Not many people in this thread are saying stupid things.
If the majority in there were agreeing with the Op then you’d have a point.
 

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Every single one of these platforms has the ability to programmatically search tweets for objectionable content and flag it for human review. It's bizarre that they don't even try and identify things before their users have to self-police their platforms for them.
 

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Leroy The Red said:
That makes sense. That thread was someone on here saying the league should stop taking the knee, that was then open to scope for debate and a lot of criticism of posters. A few of the posts in there even referenced the online abuse.

This is a more open and shut type of thread. Not many people in this thread are saying stupid things.
If the majority in there were agreeing with the Op then you’d have a point.
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The fact this thread is open & shut is my point though.

This is a great forum for discussing all kinds of things [I should know I barely talk football] but at the core it is a Manchester United forum populated with mostly United fans; maybe I’m being simple but I’d expect a thread that is about the clubs players receiving unfair criticism to draw more than a few derisory responses.

You’d have a point about the take a knee thread if it wasn’t also filled with ‘I agree with OP’ & ‘people won’t like me saying this but. . .’ posts; you’re an active enough member in the thread to see not all discussion in there has shown scope for debate.

A thread in support of our players has garnered less interaction than one about another sport refusing to take a knee, that is RedCaf.
 

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AFC NimbleThumb said:
The fact this thread is open & shut is my point though.

This is a great forum for discussing all kinds of things [I should know I barely talk football] but at the core it is a Manchester United forum populated with mostly United fans; maybe I’m being simple but I’d expect a thread that is about the clubs players receiving unfair criticism to draw more than a few derisory responses.

You’d have a point about the take a knee thread if it wasn’t also filled with ‘I agree with OP’ & ‘people won’t like me saying this but. . .’ posts; you’re an active enough member in the thread to see not all discussion in there has shown scope for debate.

A thread in support of our players has garnered less interaction than one about another sport refusing to take a knee, that is RedCaf.
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Yup, and that’s what I meant by ‘saying stupid things’. I know you’re not happy with the general way race related issues are discussed on here but in this instance I genuinely think it’s purely that thread had more opinions in it so garnered more posts. You’re more speaking to the individual in there.

Id like to think most people condemn the social media posts but there isn’t much to specifically debate or anyone to educate in this thread as these tweets etc are from non redcafe sources (you’d hope so anyway:nervous:)
 

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I used to like being a United fan, and though it’s not necessarily the club’s fault, these instances make you question your association with this fanbase
 

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How do you know these twerps online are United fans and not just trolls absolutely loving this weekly attention?
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I don’t. I’m also not operating under the assumption that they aren’t United fans, thus “question” my association with the fanbase. The reported abuse seems to pick up when results don’t favour us. Is it impossible trolls would be this dedicated as to make it seem credible they are United fans? No. But it’s also quite possible they are indeed United fans, especially when you see the volume of vile messages.

Anecdotally, I’ve seen United centred accounts on social media post some nasty stuff.
 

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TsuWave said:
I used to like being a United fan, and though it’s not necessarily the club’s fault, these instances make you question your association with this fanbase
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I actually feel quite similar. I know it's a select few but I feel it makes Manchester United a difficult club to follow right now.
 

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Sandikan said:
Yep. It's quite simple.

Otherwise you're bound to get at least one idiot every game.

This forum is anonymous, yet anyone acting an idiot is quickly deleted.

Twitter and facebook obviously have a huge amount more users, but they are a professional company, yet seem to struggle, even though they have 1,000s of staff.

Surely they can run a simple key words blocking system to massively reduce it at the first stage.
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Twitter and facebook both use ai for content profiling, it would be quite simple to impose regulations across a wide range of offensive behaviour.
 

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Has there been a spike in the rate of racist abuse online, or has this been a persistant trend that just hasnt had the medias attention?

A part of me wonders if the reporting has emboldened people or a societal factor has come into play.
 

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Yes, of course they are dedicated. Trolls literally sit all evening posting vile shit online, they live for it.

Be ashamed of being human.
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I’m sure you’re saying something here, even if you’re selective about what you pick up from my posts, ultimately, it doesn’t and won’t change how I currently feel.
 

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Leroy The Red said:
Yup, and that’s what I meant by ‘saying stupid things’. I know you’re not happy with the general way race related issues are discussed on here but in this instance I genuinely think it’s purely that thread had more opinions in it so garnered more posts. You’re more speaking to the individual in there.

Id like to think most people condemn the social media posts but there isn’t much to specifically debate or anyone to educate in this thread as these tweets etc are from non redcafe sources (you’d hope so anyway:nervous:)
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Again, fair points.

Though from experience on this forum the people that refuse to accept their is an issue with racism within our fanbase are more concerned with subverting the conversation about things such as whether the fans are United supporters or rival supporters.

I understand why the posts gained the momentum they have, as you say there’s more nuance to one discussion but I find it funny that on a forum where people fall over themselves to prove how much of a better supporter they are on multiple aspects this thread is rather vacant with ‘Top Reds’.

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I used to like being a United fan, and though it’s not necessarily the club’s fault, these instances make you question your association with this fanbase
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Yep. It’s been like that.
 
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