You say they don’t have to wear the poppy but then say McClean deserves the threats he gets for choosing not to.
You claimed anti Irish sentiment doesn’t exist because your welsh and got called sheep shagger. Fantastic balance.
James McClean: 'Does being abused for being Irish and anti Irish abuse acceptable?'
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You claimed anti Irish sentiment doesn’t exist because your welsh and got called sheep shagger. Fantastic balance.
Like I said it's because his brother is in the news and he's commenting on it.
I don't get Belfast Live as the first result because I'm not in Ireland.
I assume your from Ireland, I won't get racial like you just have with me. Which is pretty Ironic.
Perhaps you should get off your high horse mate. I clearly pointed out that I was referring to those who lost their lives in WW1, to which I had a reply about what the same soldiers did in Ireland.
Please show me where I said 'Mcclean' deserves any sort of threats or abuse? You can't because I've been overtly clear that is not acceptable.You say they don’t have to wear the poppy but then say McClean deserves the threats he gets for choosing not to.
You claimed anti Irish sentiment doesn’t exist because your welsh and got called sheep shagger. Fantastic balance.
Again I used an example of something to explain a point or stance on a subject and you've twisted it into a direct comparison. I clarified this at the time.
For one knock it on the head with the personal attacks, if you can't keep in civil, don't bother.
I'll educate you, I don't get Belfast Live as a fecking news outlet, when I Google him I get his Wiki and his stats like I said. You're in Ireland so you get the shit that's making the Irish news,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet you come in here every day excusing it. It's taken you a week to accept the abuse or threats even exist.
You and I both know what you were doing when you mentioned the balaclava and the Nazis. Interesting to see you fall back on the thick Paddy argument though - there's comfort in the status quo. I won't get caught up in a row over intellect with a fell who lacks even the vaguest appreciation for nuance in discussion or argument though.
Anyway, I'll leave it at that. Until I come across you educating the savages again in a few days time and lose my temper again.
I don't live in Ireland but it comes up first result for me.
There is an element of "she shouldn't have dressed like that" to some of the comments condoning the treatment McClean has received on here.
Again where have I excused it? You and a few others are constantly twisting it to seem divisive. I've repeatedly said I'm judging James Mcclean the person, not Irish people or the poppy issue in isolation.
I categorically deny any comparison was made by me about the Nazi's, read the exchange, I'm describing symbolism and what it means from one person to the next. In any example it's easiest to use the most famous for sake of argument. Ironically I would only compare the British monarchy to Nazi Germany. You wouldn't know that about me though because I'm already a racist in your eyes.
What you have done is label me a racist because I (and a few others you may note) have been candid enough to mention we've never once experienced racism towards an Irish person or player.
That last sentence obviously doesn't sit right with you or doesn't fit your narrative so you've chosen to call me a racist. And it's me who is lacking an ounce of nuance? Really?
I, like many others, have been clear that some of Mcclean's actions have attracted the morons online and the crazies on the street. Nobody has said it's deserved - you again have chosen to twist it to suit your narrative it seems. Either that or your the most argumentative Irishmen I've ever met.
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Not the people that died but the majority of the Black and Tans were unemployed former soldiers of WW1 and they committed many atrocities in Ireland.
Those people are in the wrong not him. So don't blame him for backlash blame the people who are racist bastards
It pisses me off that mods never jump in on things like this
Yes.
This is the thing. How are you excusing the baraclava image? IMO you cannot condemn the response without also condemning the act that sparked it.
I mean for balance you have to factor it in ffs, I have said he doesn't deserve threats or racist abuse. It doesn't make me a racist because I think he was always going to garner a negative response to doing that. Surely you can see that? Offending people who have lost love ones is a form of abuse in itself.
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ahhh the google algorithm bringing different search results for different people, who would have thought it
Yes I'm aware of that. My point was that I was referring specifically to the use of the Poppy for the people who died in WW1.
So don't come into a thread and victim blame come in and learn. I am not Irish yet here I am learning from what they say.
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Matic doesn’t wear it because it brings back trauma to him, basically the same as it does to James.
You are a true white knight, I salute you.
Or I try to understand other people's plights and don't blame them when they try to fight against it.
Yeah I’ve posted on that before and it’s actually a pertinent point because there are a couple of idiots here who make out I’m being anti-Irish in some way.
I’ve taken exactly the same stance with Matic on it. It’s his decision, that’s fine, it conflicts with mine and that’s also fine.
They have reasons not to wear it, I have my reasons why I think it should not be politicised and simply used as a mark of respect. The same way taking the knee is now.
I appreciate the British have politicised the Poppy as much as anybody, it really frustrates me because it just shouldn’t be seen in that way, if we don’t have the poppy as a symbol for remembrance what do we have? Sad all round really.
I didn't blame him, I said it was hypocritical, which it is.
But its not a balclava once isnt the same as people shouting racist abuse everyday
You're absolutely correct.
If John Terry posted on instagram with a Klu Klux Klan pointy hat on with his children teaching them history, would you laugh it off as a joke?
"Well it's ok because John Terry has taken shit loads of abuse"
I’m not really sure that is an apt comparison.
Are you kidding me? Really? Don't worry I can see theres no talking to you. You have no intention to learn or grow just blame others from different backgrounds. It's not even close to being the right comparison let alone the level of offense
Oh be careful mate you can’t use comparisons in this thread.
If you compare this topic it makes you racist by default.
It's probably not no, but at the end of the day and like I keep saying. You can't blame social media for abuse when you post provocative material that offends people.
It's quite simple.
Who are you to say what offends people and what doesn't?
Excuse me? Dont tar us all with the same brush cheers.
Its literally the wrong comparisonOh be careful mate you can’t use comparisons in this thread.
If you compare this topic it makes you racist by default.
I don’t think you understand just how politicised it is in Northern Ireland. Unionists and Loyalists wear it but Nationalists and Republicans don’t, even in Derry the orange order march to a war memorial square bang in the centre of Derry all dawning poppies and many wearing parachute regiment armbands, in support of soldier F who done the shooting on Bloody Sunday if that’s not politicising the poppy I don’t know what is.
You can now see it from a Republican point of view that it’s just not acceptable to wear one. Even myself who had a great uncle die in WW1 couldn’t bring myself to wear it.
I hear ya pal. I think me and you are in the twilight zone. It’s a foreign concept here.
Is calling somebody anything racist remotely acceptable?
No absolutely not.
Is wearing a baraclava to teach your kids ‘history acceptable (and offending many people)?
No absolutely not.
Ffs even Mcllean himself said he regrets doing it because it gives idiots a stick to bash him with and it was a red rag to the crazies. The part he missed somehow is that being fecking painfully obvious before he did it.
Oh no, don’t you know it’s fine for people here to discriminate Wales and all things Welsh. Wales doesn’t count.
fecking big tech at it again !!1
Because you have used the wrong scenario. As in completely the wrong scenario. In the James McLean situation it is an oppressed person making light on an offensive issue to the people in power. The John Terry example is a person of power making light of an offensive issue to oppressed people. Then you have not even taken into account the levels between the two offensive things. This is what disingenuous people do. Make false equivalenses because they have no leg to stand on.
A comparison example does not imply you deem both to be one and the same.
Gonna pause this for a bit as it’s getting a bit silly
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