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That is not true though, prime Mourinho was better than prime Wenger imo. Won treble with Inter and Porto, 3 PL titles. He has more PL titles than Wenger and Wenge won nothing in Europe. Mourinho didn't always have the biggest budget either. His 2nd stint at Chelsea they weren't the biggest spenders in the league and his 2 CL's with Porto and Inter they weren't the biggest spenders in Europe.
Agree they are both managerial legends in the game even if Mourinho is past it, but Mourinho is still in the top 10 of all time. Apart from Porto, winning the treble with Inter was an incredible achievement. They knocked out a supreme Barca side fair and square in the semi's. Wenger became king of the top 4 trophy and the Fa cup though.
 
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That is not true though, prime Mourinho was better than prime Wenger imo. Won treble with Inter and Porto, 3 PL titles. He has more PL titles than Wenger and Wenge won nothing in Europe. Mourinho didn't always have the biggest budget either. His 2nd stint at Chelsea they weren't the biggest spenders in the league and his 2 CL's with Porto and Inter they weren't the biggest spenders in Europe.
Jose spent aplenty. All the while he parked his way to titles. Comparing him to Wenger is probably not appropriate. Wenger was more philosophical about how football should be managed and played whereas Jose only cared about one thing, no matter the cost or the rubbish football his teams played. His name will be lost the moment he retires and will become another trappatoni.
 

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You can dissect Mourinho's career into two halves.

The first half is everything up to and including the Real Madrid league win.

The second half is his final year at Real Madrid to present day.

First half he was probably the 2nd best coach in world football, (after Fergie of course), and was tactically innovative (Inter's set up vs Barca, the use of Eto'o) and his man management skills were still up there as well.

However, that final Real Madrid season I think is when the wheels began to fall off of his career. He still won some trophies (Chelsea league win), but they arguable bottled it in his first season back in English football. If I recall correctly, up until the last 5-6 games of that season, they were in the best position to win the league. His man management skills have gone to pot, and his ideas and tactics are stale and outdated.

I was quite happy with his appointment initially when he came to United. But it's clear that he will most likely flatter to deceive at decent clubs before turning the club into a circus, securing a large payout and moving on. It's a shame, as he genuinely was a world class tactician in the first half of his career.
 

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Jose spent aplenty. All the while he parked his way to titles. Comparing him to Wenger is probably not appropriate. Wenger was more philosophical about how football should be managed and played whereas Jose only cared about one thing, no matter the cost or the rubbish football his teams played. His name will be lost the moment he retires and will become another trappatoni.
He did spend a lot, but like Pep now, some managers are great at winning with spending a lot and others are better on a budget. Mourinho was hired everywhere as he was one of the best at winning with money.

Agree they are both managerial legends in the game even if Mourinho is past it, but Mourinho is still in the top 10 of all time. Apart from Porto, winning the treble with Inter was achievement. They knocked out a supreme Barca side fair and square in the semi's. Wenger became king of the top 4 trophy and the Fa cup though.
Yeah exactly, he is passed it now though clearly, the game has moved on and he hasn't evolved.
 

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He did spend a lot, but like Pep now, some managers are great at winning with spending a lot and others are better on a budget. Mourinho was hired everywhere as he was one of the best at winning with money.



Yeah exactly, he is passed it now though clearly, the game has moved on and he hasn't evolved.
I don't particularly have a problem with managers spending. I just think the kind of money Jose spent you are expected to do better on the pitch and put on a show and make it entertaining. Not park 10 behind the ball and 1 in opposition half and hoof your way to titles. Some would argue winning is all that matters, I disagree, to each their own.

And this is why, Pep most likely would go down as the greatest manager ever if he is still managing into his late 60s.
 

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Presume the objective of the excercise was to use Lampard as a roll model for his newly inherited squad of players. Or maybe it was aimed at Eriksen as he himself a former key player and midfielder was underperforming at the time. Whatever, it certainly didn't work going on Eriksen's reaction.
 

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He joins a club, gets fired, picks up a huge compensation fee, and rinse and repeat.

I'm not sure of the exact amount, but surely after he gets fired by Spurs, he would have made near £50 million in compensation from getting fired after failing at a job.

It's like he really is a specialist consultant in failure.
 

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So who is currently the best manager? Moyes or José?
 

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He joins a club, gets fired, picks up a huge compensation fee, and rinse and repeat.

I'm not sure of the exact amount, but surely after he gets fired by Spurs, he would have made near £50 million in compensation from getting fired after failing at a job.

It's like he really is a specialist consultant in failure.
I don't have the details on his contract at spurs, but knowing Levy, I expect the compensation would be heavily target based and he may not make as much as we think.
 

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I don't particularly have a problem with managers spending. I just think the kind of money Jose spent you are expected to do better on the pitch and put on a show and make it entertaining. Not park 10 behind the ball and 1 in opposition half and hoof your way to titles. Some would argue winning is all that matters, I disagree, to each their own.

And this is why, Pep most likely would go down as the greatest manager ever if he is still managing into his late 60s.
His teams didn't always park 10 men behind the ball, he just did it more and more after his Madrid stint. He does still hold the record for the most goals scored in a La Liga season as well.
 

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Safe to say, there's not going to be a title challenge from the Moaning one
 

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His teams didn't always park 10 men behind the ball, he just did it more and more after his Madrid stint. He does still hold the record for the most goals scored in a La Liga season as well.
His teams almost always parked the bus in knockout rounds and virtually every big game against a big club. I often hear the "most goals" argument but imagine that real madrid team. It would be hard to not score boatload of goals with that squad.

I remember madrid players laughing at him when he first joined and start reminding them how many trophies he had won.
 

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He will last out the season at best

He’s turned Spurs into the Mourinho United in half the time
 

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He joins a club, gets fired, picks up a huge compensation fee, and rinse and repeat.

I'm not sure of the exact amount, but surely after he gets fired by Spurs, he would have made near £50 million in compensation from getting fired after failing at a job.

It's like he really is a specialist consultant in failure.
Assuming it is all about the money...
 

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I'm watching these and genuinely every time a player makes a mistake I'm getting Luke Shaw flashbacks and how rotten Mourinho treated him. Just waiting for the singling out to start and we can finally get rid of this miserable fecker.
 

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To be fair, they didn't deserve to lose today. But who am I to decide what's deserved and what is not, let's just laugh at Mourinho.
 

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The problem is so ironic though.

When we were briefly top, there was a widespread entitled whinge from our fans that they'd rather play football like peak-poch than win anything with "boring" football.

Mourinho, to his credit and demise, duly obliged and wanted to prove people wrong, and the squad is just not capable of it. We're now playing like Liverpool and getting results like them too, and people will moan about that too.


West Ham fans won't give the slightest whatever about the football if they get in the top four. Our lot won't give a whatever about the football if we don't. Just so stupid.

Also, there was an outcry like Dele would be able to return like a saviour and he's just as useless as he was when he was dropped.
 

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His teams didn't always park 10 men behind the ball, he just did it more and more after his Madrid stint. He does still hold the record for the most goals scored in a La Liga season as well.
His teams have always had the mindset of 'concede 1 less than the opponent' rather than 'score 1 more than the opponent'. Its just that in the current era of football - it looks even negative.
 

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He will be off to Germany soon. Its so open over there that a shithouse like Jose would thrive because they can sit back and be assured of success on the break.
 

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His teams almost always parked the bus in knockout rounds and virtually every big game against a big club. I often hear the "most goals" argument but imagine that real madrid team. It would be hard to not score boatload of goals with that squad.

I remember madrid players laughing at him when he first joined and start reminding them how many trophies he had won.
Then why does he hold the all time record even when Pep had prime Messi and co and other top managers have managed in LL? Other managers before and after him had the same Real Madrid squad and scored less.

Mourinho's Chelsea played some decent football in his first stint as well.
 

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This has to be his last prem job. Surely no other team falls for him changing his ways?
 

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He will last out the season at best

He’s turned Spurs into the Mourinho United in half the time
He may have the safest job in the Premier League to be honest. During a pandemic when everyone is losing money at the life gate, can Spurs really afford to pay his contract off and then bring in someone else on massive money to essentially do the same job? Spurs are shite, always will be. Might as well be shite without paying up that ridiculously unwarrented contract.
 

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He hasn't really fixed any of their issues has he?

They actually look okay going forward but the midfield and especially the defence look woeful.
 

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A dramatic fall from grace, even the hardest haters couldn’t predict this after they were «title contenders» a bit earlier. They never were of course. Joke of a club, they hate trophies, absolutely hate them.
 

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Eriksen should be able to handle his praise of Lampard to be fair.
Yeah but his objective is to have a go at Eriksen. Bringing up players you've had success with in the past is not the right way to motivate new players who are going through a tough patch. Not only that the tone is far too serious.
 

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His teams have always had the mindset of 'concede 1 less than the opponent' rather than 'score 1 more than the opponent'. Its just that in the current era of football - it looks even negative.
Oh yeah I agree, he just wasn't as bad in his younger years with bus parking as he is now.

I think he is past it but he deserves more credit for his past successes than some will give him.
 

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The problem is so ironic though.

When we were briefly top, there was a widespread entitled whinge from our fans that they'd rather play football like peak-poch than win anything with "boring" football.

Mourinho, to his credit and demise, duly obliged and wanted to prove people wrong, and the squad is just not capable of it. We're now playing like Liverpool and getting results like them too, and people will moan about that too.


West Ham fans won't give the slightest whatever about the football if they get in the top four. Our lot won't give a whatever about the football if we don't. Just so stupid.

Also, there was an outcry like Dele would be able to return like a saviour and he's just as useless as he was when he was dropped.
Imagine thinking Mourinho changed his mentality based on what fans think. The lenghts some people go to defend this man, so weird.
 

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What's this, 6 losses from the last 7? That's relegation form.

Real Madrid fell apart in his final season in charge, he almost led Chelsea to relegation in his final year with them, the same thing happened in his final year with United (except Ed was smart enough to pull the trigger before the situation got any worse) and now the same thing is happening with Spurs.

There is a distinct pattern there and you don't need to be a rocket scientist to spot it. Sack him before it's too late.
 

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This is like watching the twilight of Brian Clough’s career. A shadow of himself and clinging to some cup final appearances as everyone else overtakes him
 

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That is not true though, prime Mourinho was better than prime Wenger imo. Won treble with Inter and Porto, 3 PL titles. He has more PL titles than Wenger and Wenge won nothing in Europe. Mourinho didn't always have the biggest budget either. His 2nd stint at Chelsea they weren't the biggest spenders in the league and his 2 CL's with Porto and Inter they weren't the biggest spenders in Europe.
Mourinho didn’t win the treble with Porto, neither did he win more PL titles than Wenger. But apart from that I agree prime Mourinho was better than prime Wenger.
 

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Then why does he hold the all time record even when Pep had prime Messi and co and other top managers have managed in LL? Other managers before and after him had the same Real Madrid squad and scored less.

Mourinho's Chelsea played some decent football in his first stint as well.
I don't know what is your point?? He went to Real Madrid, not Scuthorpe United. Its arguably the biggest club in the world with history and fans that would never stand for rubbish football. He had players at his disposal that would never play defensive garbage football. Mourinho didn't score the goals himself, that squad was the most stacked I have seen. I would also add he failed to win CL with that squad and ZZ won 3 in a row.
 

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Problem is no matter how much you spend on elite defenders, you put them in a system where they're exposed to constant attacks throughout the game.

It's inevitable top teams with money, better coaching, better tactics will create chances, so this (now) antiquated idea that you can shut teams out 100% like you could fifteen years ago is gone.

There is too much firepower now, to much tactical innovation to create chances and better quality of players.

His insistence on this system will not yield any major results unless the other team has a mare.
 
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