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If I had any affiliation for Celtic I would be as fuming as you clearly are. Seeing your team go from Theo heights Celtic have achieved to the incredible lows of this season has to leave a sour taste. Only MC89 remains happy clapping and supportive of all things Celtic right now.

My brother in law has stopped watching Celtic. He has been a season ticket holder for many years and not your average armchair fan. He also does a lot of charity events and to see him go shopping on a Saturday or Sunday instead of watching the game only epitomises how far the relationship between the club and their fans have fallen.

Lennon should have been gone after Ferencvaros. It was likely they wanted him to achieve the quadruple treble and even then it was the luckiest of wins in a shootout. That should have been the final straw against lower league opposition. It’s amazing that, until this day, he remains in charge.

Lawwell has finally stepped down, Lennon should have too. This gives Celtic 5 months to give a new manager a platform to assess who he wants to keep, get rid of the deadwood and plan accordingly. Instead Lennon remains in charge and astonishingly reported yesterday that he plans to rebuild in the summer.
That will be magnificent if they actually do that!
 

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Celtic fans will disagree and they will have seen these players far more than I have, however I do watch a lot of football but here is who I’d get rid of.

Barkas and Bain. 5m wasted on a keeper who seems to land in the same spot when he dives. Doesn’t use his feet to move and is generally poor.

Taylor is okay back up. Never a regular started at Celtic. Expensive back up though at 3m.

Keep Ajer. He needs a sensible head behind him as his positioning can be awkward however he was a midfielder and this is often forgotten. An experienced keeper who communicates with his defence and an older more experienced head beside him (who isn’t called Shane Duffy) and he would flourish.

Sell El Hamed, Bitton.

If you can recoup money. Sell Jullien. Never fit and isn’t exactly impressive despite his size. Buy a starting right back, 2 x cb and a starting lb.

Midfielder. Sell McGregor ASAP whilst his stock is high. Rodgers may pay an excessive amount for him. No idea what has happened over the last 2 years but he has become passive and cowardly. He will always show for the ball however tends to pass back to a defender who has just given him the ball. I haven’t seen a player regress as much as him. Utterly dreadful for Scotland too and recently getting a lot of stick although was great away to Serbia.

Soro is a great player and needs an older head beside him. A leader like Scott Brown however he is well beyond his sell by date. Rumours of James McCarthy to Celtic and he would fit in well allowing Turnbull to play ahead of the midfield two.

Wingers! Celtic play with zero width at the moment. Forrest has been a huge miss.

Sell for decent money, Edouard, Ntcham, Bitton, Jullien, Barkas, Rogic, McGregor, Griffiths, Ajeti, Klimala and El Hamed.

You are talking in excess of 70m-80m there to invest in a new squad. However a new manager should have been implemented this month to start the rebuild. I genuinely reckon Celtic will struggle next year if Lennon is allowed to continue until the summer.

Sorry for the long post however as an outsider I don’t have any attachments or loyalty to these players and just a genuine observation.
It's a decent appraisal. Only thing is Ajer is another player who is going into his last 12 months in the summer, & he shows no signs of wanting to stay & extend his contract. So it will be a case of him leaving & Julian staying instead.

You can also throw Christie into the sales list, as he's another going into the last 12 months of his deal in the summer.

So I think going forward your probably looking at a spine of Julian, Mcgregor, Soro, Turnbull, with every other position needing strengthening.

Think you might be over estimating what they can bring in fee wise in the summer as well, since many will be entering their last 12 months.

Think you might be talking about £20M for Eduoard (with PSG due about 30% of the profit), perhaps £10M Ajer, £5M Ntcham, £5M Christie, & lucky to get over £2M for any of the rest.
 

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It's a decent appraisal. Only thing is Ajer is another player who is going into his last 12 months in the summer, & he shows no signs of wanting to stay & extend his contract. So it will be a case of him leaving & Julian staying instead.

You can also throw Christie into the sales list, as he's another going into the last 12 months of his deal in the summer.

So I think going forward your probably looking at a spine of Julian, Mcgregor, Soro, Turnbull, with every other position needing strengthening.

Think you might be over estimating what they can bring in fee wise in the summer as well, since many will be entering their last 12 months.

Think you might be talking about £20M for Eduoard (with PSG due about 30% of the profit), perhaps £10M Ajer, £5M Ntcham, £5M Christie, & lucky to get over £2M for any of the rest.
I reckon Edouard will be closer to 30m if moving to England. He is getting a lot of reviews due to his ridiculous goal scoring exploits for the French under 21s and receiving a lot of coverage due to it.

Ntcham, whilst I don’t rate him, is continuously rumoured over 10m. I don’t see it personally but if Celtic can cash in, they should.

Rodgers will pay 15m plus for McGregor. He loves that sort of player. Nowhere near worth that so Celtic would sell.

No idea what value Jullien, Rogic, El Hamed, Griffiths, Ajeti and Klimala would be.

Christie is a weird player as he’s very good on his game but so inconsistent.

Turnbull has the ability to reach the top. He’s a great player and they should do everything to keep him.
 

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If you want to refer to Celtic as champions whilst over 20 points behind Rangers then so be it. You’re the most cringeworthy Celtic fan I’ve ever seen posting on any site. You really do love hanging onto past glories hence your crazy love-in for Lawwell and Lennon.

I’d hazard a guess you’re the only Celtic fan on the planet who has such admiration for both Lennon and Lawwell. You were also defending the trip to Dubai for days until you were made to look extremely silly on that topic too.

You really should think before you post.
Too right I’m defending us for going to Dubai, we went for work purposes, the golfs over in Dubai and the Dubai racing carnival no one is criticising them for being in Dubai are they?

as for the players getting coronavirus, we could’ve just as easily caught it at lennoxtown just one of theese things, jullien being there, he was there for treatment along with Forrest, physios couldn’t be in two places at once.

just imagine if Peter said we weren’t going to Dubai, the fans would say ‘Peter’s making football related decisions ( they do that anyway) but Peter left it up to the football people, Neil and the back room team, so fans have to make up their minds either they want Peter to make football decisions or not, he cannot win with the fans.

im a Celtic fan, so I’ll support any decision the club makes, Neil sacked/stays or resigns, transfers and I’ll 100% keep giving my club my £1870 a year and if they want to put prices up so be it it’s up to the club to do as they see fit.
 

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Actually had a grown man crying on the Super Scoreboard phone in last night. As much as its harsh, was great listening as a Rangers fan.
I heard that, total weapon blabbing on about season tickets, the clubs no holding a gun to his head saying he must but a season ticket or 3 as he said, if he doesn’t want to that’s entirely up to him, but he’ll not renew then when we don’t buy players, he’ll be first on moaning about it.
 

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Too right I’m defending us for going to Dubai, we went for work purposes, the golfs over in Dubai and the Dubai racing carnival no one is criticising them for being in Dubai are they?

as for the players getting coronavirus, we could’ve just as easily caught it at lennoxtown just one of theese things, jullien being there, he was there for treatment along with Forrest, physios couldn’t be in two places at once.

just imagine if Peter said we weren’t going to Dubai, the fans would say ‘Peter’s making football related decisions ( they do that anyway) but Peter left it up to the football people, Neil and the back room team, so fans have to make up their minds either they want Peter to make football decisions or not, he cannot win with the fans.

im a Celtic fan, so I’ll support any decision the club makes, Neil sacked/stays or resigns, transfers and I’ll 100% keep giving my club my £1870 a year and if they want to put prices up so be it it’s up to the club to do as they see fit.
I always find things like this weird. Blind loyalty is strange to me, no matter the club or cause.
 

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Too right I’m defending us for going to Dubai, we went for work purposes, the golfs over in Dubai and the Dubai racing carnival no one is criticising them for being in Dubai are they?

as for the players getting coronavirus, we could’ve just as easily caught it at lennoxtown just one of theese things, jullien being there, he was there for treatment along with Forrest, physios couldn’t be in two places at once.

just imagine if Peter said we weren’t going to Dubai, the fans would say ‘Peter’s making football related decisions ( they do that anyway) but Peter left it up to the football people, Neil and the back room team, so fans have to make up their minds either they want Peter to make football decisions or not, he cannot win with the fans.

im a Celtic fan, so I’ll support any decision the club makes, Neil sacked/stays or resigns, transfers and I’ll 100% keep giving my club my £1870 a year and if they want to put prices up so be it it’s up to the club to do as they see fit.
If your girlfriend/wife has sex with another person then you will support her decision too?
 

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I suppose there’s a south of the border arrogance involved however I genuinely thought Duffy would be tailor made for the Scottish Prem. He is so far out of his depth it is scary though.
 

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Wouldn’t be the first. Remember Joey Barton talking about how he would lord it up there but failed miserably
 

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Team v Kilmarnock

Bain
Taylor
Broony
Ajeti
Turnbull
Kenny
Christie
Eddy
Ajer
McGregor
Welshy

Barky
Duffy
Soro
Griffths
Kimala
Rogic
Johnston
Elynoussi
Laxalt

mon the champions.
 

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I don’t know why but I find it utterly hilarious when you refer to Celtic as champions. Even though they are the holding title winners, they are far from champions. Love the optimism.
 

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Playing well here, good football, broony getting a headed goal something you don’t see every week.
Big Ajeti lucky to have touched the ball 5 times.
 
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I don’t know why but I find it utterly hilarious when you refer to Celtic as champions. Even though they are the holding title winners, they are far from champions. Love the optimism.
We are the champions

we are Glasgow Celtic we are Glasgow Celtic champions of Scotland once again.
 

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Playing well here, good football, broony getting a headed goal something you don’t see every week.
Big Ajeti lucky to have touched the ball 5 times.
That me told, well played big guy:D
 

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Beautiful dive from Ajeti for the pen

MC89 will have to hold back on his delusional claims about the SPFL doing everything to help Rangers this week.
 

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Rangers players breached covid rules and been fined by Police. What a bunch of idiots.
 

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What an exciting game that was to watch.

Rangers will struggle with their right back though.
 

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What an exciting game that was to watch.

Rangers will struggle with their right back though.
Aye, imagine Tavernier will be out for a few weeks with his knee ligament injury. Patterson must be kicking himself now the silly twat that he is. Jack's played there for Scotland so might be an option, although I'd prefer him in the middle generally.
 

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We are the champions

we are Glasgow Celtic we are Glasgow Celtic champions of Scotland once again.
I know it hasn’t been difficult across multiple topics, but you are looking even more idiotic. This is comedy gold. ‘The champions’ lose again.
 

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Another loss, another apology from Lennon
 

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Didn't understand why celtic brought him back. Everyone with an ounce of sense knew he wasn't the man. Rodgers had celtic light years ahead of rangers. Lenny flipped that right & quick.

Lennon will struggle to get any half decent side now.
 

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Celtic need to make a progressive appointment, they will probably appoint a former player or manager instead. Steve Clarke after the Euros would be a cracking appointment.
 

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That was to be expected. Surprised it took as long as it did. Celtic need to be smart with their next appointment.

7 points needed for the league for Rangers. Be great to win it at Parkhead.
 

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Celtic should have taken a look at Chelsea this season. Get the new manager in, let him get used to the players and the club and build for next season. Identify players to keep and build around the likes of Turnbull.

Giving it to Kennedy is idiotic unless Steve Clark has been identified and agreed terms then that is the only reason Kennedy makes sense.
 

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Celtic need to make a progressive appointment, they will probably appoint a former player or manager instead. Steve Clarke after the Euros would be a cracking appointment.
The fact they stuck by Lennon so long and have only put a caretaker in charge in the meantime suggests they have an appointment lined up in the summer. Or at least want the new CEO to make the call. Clarke being a big Celtic man and at the top of his game would be the most obvious candidate.
 

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Celtic should have taken a look at Chelsea this season. Get the new manager in, let him get used to the players and the club and build for next season. Identify players to keep and build around the likes of Turnbull.

Giving it to Kennedy is idiotic unless Steve Clark has been identified and agreed terms then that is the only reason Kennedy makes sense.
Circumstances are completely different. No manager will touch Celtic this season as it's the season they blew 10 in a row. No manager coming in will want to be associated with that so any replacement for Lennon was always going to have to be temporary and most likely from within the club.
 

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Didn't understand why celtic brought him back. Everyone with an ounce of sense knew he wasn't the man. Rodgers had celtic light years ahead of rangers. Lenny flipped that right & quick.

Lennon will struggle to get any half decent side now.
I agree Lennon wasn't the right man, but the gap was already closing with Rodgers there. He won by a landslide in his first couple of seasons as Rangers had just come up from the Championship then hired Pedro Caixinha.

In Gerrards first full season as a manager, he had already won the New Year's game vs Rodgers, & by the time Rodgers left in the February, I think the gap was down to 8 or 9 points. I think Rangers improvement under a competent manager was inevitable, as has been seen the last couple of seasons the league seems to be won or lost on consistency vs the other clubs, not necessarily results on Old Firm games which had been fairly even until this season.
 
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Probably resigned so he doesn’t have to be the manager who oversees Rangers winning the title at Celtic
 

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Probably resigned so he doesn’t have to be the manager who oversees Rangers winning the title at Celtic
What I came to post too. This is one occasion where the manager should be the one to see the ultimate humiliation through, then resign. The season is a write off and no one else deserves this.
 

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Celtic should have taken a look at Chelsea this season. Get the new manager in, let him get used to the players and the club and build for next season. Identify players to keep and build around the likes of Turnbull.

Giving it to Kennedy is idiotic unless Steve Clark has been identified and agreed terms then that is the only reason Kennedy makes sense.
Aye, I think they're missing a trick because expectations are low and any new manager could have 3 free months to get things right. It also gives a new manager a chance to work on keeping Christie and Edouard because surely, as things stand, they'll be planning their move out of the direction-less shit-show this season has become.
 

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It’ll either be Steve Clark or Lampard in my opinion and that’s the only reason they haven’t been announced yet.

Clark has Scotland duties and Lampard cannot sign with another club until July.
 

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It’ll either be Steve Clark or Lampard in my opinion and that’s the only reason they haven’t been announced yet.

Clark has Scotland duties and Lampard cannot sign with another club until July.
It would be interesting to see how the Celtic fans would react to Lampard given he's stated his preference for Rangers in the past.

If it's Clarke as well, that's another big risk because with the Euros it would mean a limited pre season ahead of Champions League qualifiers.
 

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I can’t see it being Lampard. If Eddie Howe leaves his comfort zone, he would be a great coup for them.