Sane? Mane has been terrible this season, so I think Rashford edges it. Salat is a given and would transform our team. VVD would be great. Allisson is overrated, and I'm not even sure he would be that much of an upgrade. Two for sure, not so sure about the rest. I would take Mane, but I don't think he's an automatic starter.
Liverpool are the worst defending champions in Premier League history
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
How many of klopp’s Dortmund players were also strangely asthmatic?
Does anyone know?
Might explain kagawa being dogshit for the most part..........
Does anyone know?
Might explain kagawa being dogshit for the most part..........
Pretty Sus.
Our title defence post SAF is up there to be fair to liverpool
I think until last week they had like only two major players missing. The slide ies actually a testament to klopps system that makes them to perform at absolute insane edge. Take a few pieces away and the entire house of cards just kloppes.
P.s we have an imposter.
P.s we have an imposter.
Is it safe to say that if they don't beat Sheffield on Sunday, they will finish out of top 4?
A bit too early to start this thread I would say. Should wait till the season's ended.
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/lifestyle/article/every-premier-league-winning-team-ranked
GQ ranked every Premier League winning side. Prepare to roll your eyes a full 360 degrees.
For those who don't want to give their clickbait a click, here's the top 10...
1. City 17/18
2. Liverpool 19/20
3. City 18/19
4. Chelsea 04/05
5. Chelsea 16/17
6. Chelsea 05/06
7. United 93/94
8. Arsenal 03/04
9. United 06/07
10. City 11/12
The treble winning team rank 26th and the 07/08 team rank 16th. I could smell the horseshit from my laptop while reading that list.
GQ ranked every Premier League winning side. Prepare to roll your eyes a full 360 degrees.
For those who don't want to give their clickbait a click, here's the top 10...
1. City 17/18
2. Liverpool 19/20
3. City 18/19
4. Chelsea 04/05
5. Chelsea 16/17
6. Chelsea 05/06
7. United 93/94
8. Arsenal 03/04
9. United 06/07
10. City 11/12
The treble winning team rank 26th and the 07/08 team rank 16th. I could smell the horseshit from my laptop while reading that list.
Well no, Chelsea almost got relegated with Mourinho.
They ranked them on points gained in the season. It's neither the most scientific method, nor the most logical, and a disingenuous, misleading headline.
But that's why the City Centurions are top, Liverpool with 98 second, etc.
From a non-mathematical standpoint I'd have to say I think Chelsea's 2015/16 side were worse, they were hovering above the relegation zone before Mourinho got sacked and Hiddink came in to do a decent job at best.
City last season weren't great at all, but compared to most reigning champions of the last decade we did pretty well. I think football fans need to be more accepting that the season after a PL win is just really bloody hard and anything better than a disaster is quite good.
City last season weren't great at all, but compared to most reigning champions of the last decade we did pretty well. I think football fans need to be more accepting that the season after a PL win is just really bloody hard and anything better than a disaster is quite good.
If they're going off points it's wrong. United 99-00 gained 91 points and United 08-09 gained 90 points and are not on that list.
They said they didn’t and counted ‘pressure’ etc. They ranked Blackburn above United’s treble team. Trying too hard to get those clicks and re-posts.
My bad - I did a quick scroll through of the top 5-6 teams only and just assumed that's what they did.
Thanks!
No, win just like we have done over and over, year after year. I never mentioned 99 points? Just becuase they got 99 points doesn't make them better than a PL wi
That is a completely different set of circumstances... we were with Moyes and a completely 'new' backroom team. What is happening with Liverpool right now is akin to it happening to United at our prime with SAF.
Aren't GQ a fashion magazine? 
Are they going to have the title parade this year? Heard pool fans on Twitter discussing it.
You said, "They would need to earn that status by maintaining last season's standards for 3-5 years in the league (and win it at least another couple of times). "
Liverpool got 99 points last season, so that's "last season's standards".
Liverpool had 73 points after 25 games last season on the way to number 19.Liverpool are 33 points worse off than they were last season after 25 games. They have officially passed Leicester as statistically the worst defending champions in the history of the Premier League.
What’s gone wrong?
City had 51 and Utd 35 for comparison.
Don’t think so? Think GQ is just a ‘men’s’ magazine as far as I knowAren't GQ a fashion magazine?
That is irrelevant and dependent on a number of factors. United might have won every game last season with our 99 team... you cannot think like that. Last season was its own event and each season cannot be compared with another.Liverpool had 73 points after 25 games last season on the way to number 19.
City had 51 and Utd 35 for comparison.
Ok cool.Liverpool had 73 points after 25 games last season on the way to number 19.
City had 51 and Utd 35 for comparison.
Now do this season.
There seems to be genuine noise about them doing it on social media at least. It would be one of the most small time things in history. Imagine having a champions parade when you're not only no longer champions, but have thus far had a very underwhelming season.
I dare say Mane will walk into our team. Form is temporary and class is permanent and all that stuff. Even if push comes to shove, Mane can fit into the right side of our attack where he played for the most part till Salah had to play on the right side of attack.
Klopp is worse than Moyes.
small time mentality from small time club. No wonder.
We dem Moyes boys
Klopp is worse than Moyes.
Based on that they should hand you two titles for last season. (Insert Henry trying not to laugh lip moving giggle gif here).Liverpool had 73 points after 25 games last season on the way to number 19.
City had 51 and Utd 35 for comparison.
Since 2002, every single one of those managers has been sacked. If Liverpool had any balls, they'd do the same to Klopp:
| Team | Season | Points drop off after 25 games | Manager's fate |
|---|---|---|---|
| Liverpool | 20/21 | -33 | ??? |
| Leicester | 16/17 | -32 | Ranieri - sacked 13 February |
| Chelsea | 15/16 | -29 | Mourinho - sacked 17 December |
| Manchester United | 13/14 | -21 | Moyes - sacked 22 April |
| Blackburn Rovers | 95/96 | -17 | Roy Harford - not sacked but resigned next season |
| Chelsea | 10/11 | -14 | Ancelotti - sacked post season |
| Chelsea | 06/07 | -12 | Mourinho - sacked 19 September |
| Manchester United | 01/02 | -11 | Ferguson - not sacked |
The only exceptions in the table above are Harford and Fergie. In the case of the former, it can be excused because he was forced to sell Shearer to Newcastle. In the case of the latter, a drop off of 11 points is nowhere near as big as the scousers are currently suffering.
Very unlikely.
Mane, Salah, Firmino all have lesser distance covered per game since they won stuff.
They have peaked the last 3 seasons.
It's a very important period for them, either keep Salah, Mane, Firmino or sell them and rebuild.
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Also lesser dribble attempts for their starting attackers...generally, physically they are in downward spiral.
Pathetic attempt at retaining the trophy, people excuse him because he won the champions league too for them and also seen some say they would have taken relagation after the league win as what klopps done for them is amazing (maybe so) but at the end of the day, that just makes them a bit like Leicester or Blackburn, not serious contenders or long term challengers but one win then a massive drop off, klopp came, won one league, run them into the ground doing so and probably going to leave them in as bad a state as he found them.
Hardly the greatest.
Hardly the greatest.
I don't think it's fair to measure them against themselves to consider them the worst title defenders. Its using their own incredibily high top level as a stick to beat them with. I think title defenses should be ranked in order of points total at 25 games and not drop off. Leceister is dropping off from a measly 81 points obviously they would fare better than liverpool who last year were unplayable with 99 points. They have simply become mortal again but using objective points total would not put them at a disvantage for being one of the best champions the league has ever seen. They are still better than Leicester who went from champions to relegation a candidate.
I also just want to add that they are having a relatively bad season but it would be madness to consider getting rid of Klopp after a single bad season when he's has them in and around the top of world football for 3 seasons. Complete madness. He has done enough to have earned the opportunity to rebuild.
I also just want to add that they are having a relatively bad season but it would be madness to consider getting rid of Klopp after a single bad season when he's has them in and around the top of world football for 3 seasons. Complete madness. He has done enough to have earned the opportunity to rebuild.
Have to love these articles.
How can teams from the last 3 years be the best ever? Ludicrous recency bias.
To not have a United side in the top 6 is absolutely astounding.
You're a maniac if you think Liverpool should sack Klopp, who has won a European cup & narrowly been edged out by an incredible City side 2 years ago, and ended their 30 year wait to win it last year, just because they've had an underpar season in an odd super packed schedule, where they've had to field 20 different combos at centre back.
I mean we all hate Liverpool, would absolutely love to see him gone after what he's won, but you can't be serious.
Even your table is massively skewed due to them setting record breaking or near record breaking points figures last year.
A more realistic drop off analysis is on positions in the table.
Leicester and Chelsea will always "win" that one.
Only as a United fan.Just to add to these points, Klopp has got us to three European finals (two CL and one Europa) in which we went in as favourites to win all 3 but for braindeads like Moreno or Karius. None of those managers above were achieving this before or after their league wins.
Yep, very easy to forget that hilarious run of cup final defeats.
We're all biased, but we can't be having posts suggesting sacking Klopp is sensible in any way
Maybe if you have another year like this or worse, then it could start to become a possibility, mainly due to the fickle nature of football.